Newcastle in Turmoil, says Sir Les

[NE5]

NE5, seeing as you are here, can I ask you if you think Coloccini would be a good signing.

 

Just for the record.........

 

I've no idea. Do you ?

 

I'll have nothing but pessimism going into the season with the current midfield and forwards we have. Unfortunately, its the forwards that generally cost the most money.

 

 

 

 

 

I'm not sure what your second paragraph has to do with the question.

 

To answer your first one though, yes I think he'd be a good signing.

 

I'll ask it a different way, would you view it as a good signing?

 

if Keegan thinks its a good signing, and he's not being forced into buying his 2nd choice for monetary reasons.

 

But I won't be very optimistic going into the new season without at least one more forward player, ideally 2. Basically, if they don't get these players to go straight into the team and improve it, it will have been a shite summer in my view. If we want to get the most from Keegan, he's got to back him.

 

 

 

We didn't do that bad before when we got Bellamy and Robert instead of our first choices of Jeffers and Zenden.

 

In all seriousness though we don need more forward players of higher quality, I'm a firm believer of defending from the front, like we did with Shearer and Bellamy. Ian Rush in his Liverpool days is a prime example of this, a nightmare if you are a centre half, one thing centre halves don't like is being rushed into making decisions.

 

that is true, but they weren't necessarily cheaper on monetary grounds. There's a difference. I'm not so sure that Bellamy was 2nd choice anyway, Robson had wanted him earlier. And didn't Robert cost more than Zenden ?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Tooj]

NE5, seeing as you are here, can I ask you if you think Coloccini would be a good signing.

 

Just for the record.........

 

I've no idea. Do you ?

 

I'll have nothing but pessimism going into the season with the current midfield and forwards we have. Unfortunately, its the forwards that generally cost the most money.

 

 

 

 

 

I'm not sure what your second paragraph has to do with the question.

 

To answer your first one though, yes I think he'd be a good signing.

 

I'll ask it a different way, would you view it as a good signing?

 

if Keegan thinks its a good signing, and he's not being forced into buying his 2nd choice for monetary reasons.

 

But I won't be very optimistic going into the new season without at least one more forward player, ideally 2. Basically, if they don't get these players to go straight into the team and improve it, it will have been a shite summer in my view. If we want to get the most from Keegan, he's got to back him.

 

 

 

We didn't do that bad before when we got Bellamy and Robert instead of our first choices of Jeffers and Zenden.

 

In all seriousness though we don need more forward players of higher quality, I'm a firm believer of defending from the front, like we did with Shearer and Bellamy. Ian Rush in his Liverpool days is a prime example of this, a nightmare if you are a centre half, one thing centre halves don't like is being rushed into making decisions.

 

that is true, but they weren't necessarily cheaper on monetary grounds. There's a difference. I'm not so sure that Bellamy was 2nd choice anyway, Robson had wanted him earlier. And didn't Robert cost more than Zenden ?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I never said on monetary grounds though did I? And I was being mischievous mate.

[NE5]

NE5, seeing as you are here, can I ask you if you think Coloccini would be a good signing.

 

Just for the record.........

 

I've no idea. Do you ?

 

I'll have nothing but pessimism going into the season with the current midfield and forwards we have. Unfortunately, its the forwards that generally cost the most money.

 

 

 

 

 

I'm not sure what your second paragraph has to do with the question.

 

To answer your first one though, yes I think he'd be a good signing.

 

I'll ask it a different way, would you view it as a good signing?

 

if Keegan thinks its a good signing, and he's not being forced into buying his 2nd choice for monetary reasons.

 

But I won't be very optimistic going into the new season without at least one more forward player, ideally 2. Basically, if they don't get these players to go straight into the team and improve it, it will have been a shite summer in my view. If we want to get the most from Keegan, he's got to back him.

 

 

 

Cheers.  I guess we'll never know re the bit in bold.  Nothing suggests its the case, or that it has or hasn't happened in the past.

 

of course not. We lost out on Modric, and bought a Liverpool reserve instead [who of course might turn out to be the new Rob Lee.

 

And to date, nobody of any note has came to the club. Nothing has happened to suggest they have any ambition at all, all we have is comments and lack of signings to suggest they don't.

 

 

 

 

[NE5]

NE5, seeing as you are here, can I ask you if you think Coloccini would be a good signing.

 

Just for the record.........

 

I've no idea. Do you ?

 

I'll have nothing but pessimism going into the season with the current midfield and forwards we have. Unfortunately, its the forwards that generally cost the most money.

 

 

 

 

 

I'm not sure what your second paragraph has to do with the question.

 

To answer your first one though, yes I think he'd be a good signing.

 

I'll ask it a different way, would you view it as a good signing?

 

if Keegan thinks its a good signing, and he's not being forced into buying his 2nd choice for monetary reasons.

 

But I won't be very optimistic going into the new season without at least one more forward player, ideally 2. Basically, if they don't get these players to go straight into the team and improve it, it will have been a shite summer in my view. If we want to get the most from Keegan, he's got to back him.

 

 

 

We didn't do that bad before when we got Bellamy and Robert instead of our first choices of Jeffers and Zenden.

 

In all seriousness though we don need more forward players of higher quality, I'm a firm believer of defending from the front, like we did with Shearer and Bellamy. Ian Rush in his Liverpool days is a prime example of this, a nightmare if you are a centre half, one thing centre halves don't like is being rushed into making decisions.

 

that is true, but they weren't necessarily cheaper on monetary grounds. There's a difference. I'm not so sure that Bellamy was 2nd choice anyway, Robson had wanted him earlier. And didn't Robert cost more than Zenden ?

 

 

I never said on monetary grounds though did I? And I was being mischievous mate.

 

I know you didn;'t, but it seems to me to be more predominant in the clubs thinking than it should be.

 

Its up to them to prove differently, because they have set this tone.

 

To me, ambition and being prepared to speculate go together.

 

 

[Liam Liam Liam O]

NE5, seeing as you are here, can I ask you if you think Coloccini would be a good signing.

 

Just for the record.........

 

I've no idea. Do you ?

 

I'll have nothing but pessimism going into the season with the current midfield and forwards we have. Unfortunately, its the forwards that generally cost the most money.

 

 

 

 

 

I'm not sure what your second paragraph has to do with the question.

 

To answer your first one though, yes I think he'd be a good signing.

 

I'll ask it a different way, would you view it as a good signing?

 

if Keegan thinks its a good signing, and he's not being forced into buying his 2nd choice for monetary reasons.

 

But I won't be very optimistic going into the new season without at least one more forward player, ideally 2. Basically, if they don't get these players to go straight into the team and improve it, it will have been a shite summer in my view. If we want to get the most from Keegan, he's got to back him.

 

 

 

Cheers.  I guess we'll never know re the bit in bold.  Nothing suggests its the case, or that it has or hasn't happened in the past.

 

of course not. We lost out on Modric, and bought a Liverpool reserve instead who of course might turn out to be the new Rob Lee.

 

And to date, nobody of any note has came to the club. Nothing has happened to suggest they have any ambition at all, all we have is comments and lack of signings to suggest they don't.

 

 

 

mackems.gif

 

Seriously hoping you don't believe that to be the thought process they've gone through.

[Tooj]

The thing is at the minute, there's not a manager more as well I wouldn't trust with backing than Keegan, that's the frustrating thing in my opinion.

[NE5]

NE5, seeing as you are here, can I ask you if you think Coloccini would be a good signing.

 

Just for the record.........

 

I've no idea. Do you ?

 

I'll have nothing but pessimism going into the season with the current midfield and forwards we have. Unfortunately, its the forwards that generally cost the most money.

 

 

 

 

 

I'm not sure what your second paragraph has to do with the question.

 

To answer your first one though, yes I think he'd be a good signing.

 

I'll ask it a different way, would you view it as a good signing?

 

if Keegan thinks its a good signing, and he's not being forced into buying his 2nd choice for monetary reasons.

 

But I won't be very optimistic going into the new season without at least one more forward player, ideally 2. Basically, if they don't get these players to go straight into the team and improve it, it will have been a shite summer in my view. If we want to get the most from Keegan, he's got to back him.

 

 

 

Cheers.  I guess we'll never know re the bit in bold.  Nothing suggests its the case, or that it has or hasn't happened in the past.

 

of course not. We lost out on Modric, and bought a Liverpool reserve instead who of course might turn out to be the new Rob Lee.

 

And to date, nobody of any note has came to the club. Nothing has happened to suggest they have any ambition at all, all we have is comments and lack of signings to suggest they don't.

 

 

mackems.gif

 

Seriously hoping you don't believe that to be the thought process they've gone through.

 

have it your way then, he was a regular and important member of the team, which is why they let him go.

 

 

[Dave]

You didn't even fucking want Modric the first time.

[Cajun]

[Liam Liam Liam O]

NE5, seeing as you are here, can I ask you if you think Coloccini would be a good signing.

 

Just for the record.........

 

I've no idea. Do you ?

 

I'll have nothing but pessimism going into the season with the current midfield and forwards we have. Unfortunately, its the forwards that generally cost the most money.

 

 

 

 

 

I'm not sure what your second paragraph has to do with the question.

 

To answer your first one though, yes I think he'd be a good signing.

 

I'll ask it a different way, would you view it as a good signing?

 

if Keegan thinks its a good signing, and he's not being forced into buying his 2nd choice for monetary reasons.

 

But I won't be very optimistic going into the new season without at least one more forward player, ideally 2. Basically, if they don't get these players to go straight into the team and improve it, it will have been a shite summer in my view. If we want to get the most from Keegan, he's got to back him.

 

 

 

Cheers.  I guess we'll never know re the bit in bold.  Nothing suggests its the case, or that it has or hasn't happened in the past.

 

of course not. We lost out on Modric, and bought a Liverpool reserve instead who of course might turn out to be the new Rob Lee.

 

And to date, nobody of any note has came to the club. Nothing has happened to suggest they have any ambition at all, all we have is comments and lack of signings to suggest they don't.

 

 

mackems.gif

 

Seriously hoping you don't believe that to be the thought process they've gone through.

 

have it your way then, he was a regular and important member of the team, which is why they let him go.

 

 

 

I don't think I said that

[Dave]

Thanks. That's all I wanted to know. Wasn't that easy?

 

I'll ignore all your diversionary rubbish, thanks.

 

so you don't have an intelligent view on how the current board are operating, apart from blind optimism ?

 

Good reply, or is it diversionary rubbish.

 

 

 

I asked you one simple question about the single biggest decision they have made so far, which was to change the manager.

 

I don't want to talk about all the other stuff you flung in to try and avoid the question, that was the only thing I wanted to get your opinion on.

 

Eventually after asking about five times I got you to admit you agree with me that it was a good move and they got it right. So that's the one major decision they've made and they got it right. Yet 'overall' you say 'Ashley is nowhere near looking like he knows how to succeed'. Strange.

 

it isn't the one major decision. The decision not to compete at the level we ought to and back the manager is another major decision, and ultimately, no matter how good the manager is, if you don't back him you're not going to get the best from him.

 

I find if very strange that Ashley has appointed Keegan, based on what he did first time round presumably, and isn't giving him a chance to repeat it ?

 

Whats your opinion on that ?

 

Dave I've been saying for years if Keegan had stayed at the club we would have gone on to win things IMO. You must have been blind to have missed it, on that basis I found your question slightly pointless.

 

 

 

The question was designed to get an admission from you that on that one (the only one IMO) major decision so far the board has done well and should be commended for it. For some reason however you refuse to do this.

 

I too find it strange that they would appoint Keegan then not back him to the fullest degree. However, I've seen nothing to suggest this is the case, barring the fantasies of some bored journalists that have nothing better to do than to try and unsettle the club. In my opinion you are falling for it hook, line and sinker despite years of telling us those same journalists don't know what they are talking about. Coincidently when attacking the previous board...

 

I feel the journalists are jumping on every single little thing they can and you are going along with it all because you want to be proved right. You have nothing whatsoever to back up your claim that a decision has been made not to compete at whatever level you feel is our 'right', and as such I find it preposterous that you can say it as though it is fact.

 

Of course I'm not 100% convinced right now (it's impossible to be either way), but I will judge them after a longer period of time than you obviously are doing, because I feel that is fair. Just like I judged the previous board on their 10+ years in charge.

 

I fail to see how the singlest most important policy decision of the board can be deemed by you not to be major.

 

We know that an ambitious board with the wrong manager won't succeed, why don't you accept that a board with a good manager and no ambition to get the best from him won't tap his potential either ?

 

This has been my point all the way down the line, right from day 1. A board has to back their manager as much as possible, if you want to match the other big boys you have to compete with them. It is a direction that you choose , not automatically follow. Just now Ashley - it would appear - has decided to go in a particular direction, which is unlikely to get us into the top clubs again. That opinion is based on 2 things

 

1. The other big clubs have set out and shown the way, it has always been the case

2. I've seen first hand what happens when the club doesn't show ambition.

 

If this board don't back Keegan, what do you think he'lll be saying when he leaves the club ?

 

 

 

 

 

WHAT FUCKING DECISION? YOU'RE MAKING THINGS UP AGAIN THAT YOU CANNOT BACK UP WITH FACT.

 

I'm out.

[Cajun]

NE5, seeing as you are here, can I ask you if you think Coloccini would be a good signing.

 

Just for the record.........

 

I've no idea. Do you ?

 

I'll have nothing but pessimism going into the season with the current midfield and forwards we have. Unfortunately, its the forwards that generally cost the most money.

 

 

 

 

 

I'm not sure what your second paragraph has to do with the question.

 

To answer your first one though, yes I think he'd be a good signing.

 

I'll ask it a different way, would you view it as a good signing?

 

if Keegan thinks its a good signing, and he's not being forced into buying his 2nd choice for monetary reasons.

 

But I won't be very optimistic going into the new season without at least one more forward player, ideally 2. Basically, if they don't get these players to go straight into the team and improve it, it will have been a shite summer in my view. If we want to get the most from Keegan, he's got to back him.

 

 

 

Cheers.  I guess we'll never know re the bit in bold.  Nothing suggests its the case, or that it has or hasn't happened in the past.

 

of course not. We lost out on Modric, and bought a Liverpool reserve instead who of course might turn out to be the new Rob Lee.

 

And to date, nobody of any note has came to the club. Nothing has happened to suggest they have any ambition at all, all we have is comments and lack of signings to suggest they don't.

 

 

mackems.gif

 

Seriously hoping you don't believe that to be the thought process they've gone through.

 

have it your way then, he was a regular and important member of the team, which is why they let him go.

 

 

 

I don't think I said that

 

Liam, meet NE5.

[madras]

ne5......just for the record will you put a figure on what you would class as acceptable spending by NUFC this window ?

[NE5]

Thanks. That's all I wanted to know. Wasn't that easy?

 

I'll ignore all your diversionary rubbish, thanks.

 

so you don't have an intelligent view on how the current board are operating, apart from blind optimism ?

 

Good reply, or is it diversionary rubbish.

 

 

 

I asked you one simple question about the single biggest decision they have made so far, which was to change the manager.

 

I don't want to talk about all the other stuff you flung in to try and avoid the question, that was the only thing I wanted to get your opinion on.

 

Eventually after asking about five times I got you to admit you agree with me that it was a good move and they got it right. So that's the one major decision they've made and they got it right. Yet 'overall' you say 'Ashley is nowhere near looking like he knows how to succeed'. Strange.

 

it isn't the one major decision. The decision not to compete at the level we ought to and back the manager is another major decision, and ultimately, no matter how good the manager is, if you don't back him you're not going to get the best from him.

 

I find if very strange that Ashley has appointed Keegan, based on what he did first time round presumably, and isn't giving him a chance to repeat it ?

 

Whats your opinion on that ?

 

Dave I've been saying for years if Keegan had stayed at the club we would have gone on to win things IMO. You must have been blind to have missed it, on that basis I found your question slightly pointless.

 

 

 

The question was designed to get an admission from you that on that one (the only one IMO) major decision so far the board has done well and should be commended for it. For some reason however you refuse to do this.

 

I too find it strange that they would appoint Keegan then not back him to the fullest degree. However, I've seen nothing to suggest this is the case, barring the fantasies of some bored journalists that have nothing better to do than to try and unsettle the club. In my opinion you are falling for it hook, line and sinker despite years of telling us those same journalists don't know what they are talking about. Coincidently when attacking the previous board...

 

I feel the journalists are jumping on every single little thing they can and you are going along with it all because you want to be proved right. You have nothing whatsoever to back up your claim that a decision has been made not to compete at whatever level you feel is our 'right', and as such I find it preposterous that you can say it as though it is fact.

 

Of course I'm not 100% convinced right now (it's impossible to be either way), but I will judge them after a longer period of time than you obviously are doing, because I feel that is fair. Just like I judged the previous board on their 10+ years in charge.

 

I fail to see how the singlest most important policy decision of the board can be deemed by you not to be major.

 

We know that an ambitious board with the wrong manager won't succeed, why don't you accept that a board with a good manager and no ambition to get the best from him won't tap his potential either ?

 

This has been my point all the way down the line, right from day 1. A board has to back their manager as much as possible, if you want to match the other big boys you have to compete with them. It is a direction that you choose , not automatically follow. Just now Ashley - it would appear - has decided to go in a particular direction, which is unlikely to get us into the top clubs again. That opinion is based on 2 things

 

1. The other big clubs have set out and shown the way, it has always been the case

2. I've seen first hand what happens when the club doesn't show ambition.

 

If this board don't back Keegan, what do you think he'lll be saying when he leaves the club ?

 

 

WHAT FUCKING DECISION? YOU'RE MAKING THINGS UP AGAIN THAT YOU CANNOT BACK UP WITH FACT.

 

I'm out.

 

eh ?

 

 

[Liam Liam Liam O]

ne5......just for the record will you put a figure on what you would class as acceptable spending by NUFC this window ?

 

No he won't.  He'll say how should he know.

[afar]

NE5, seeing as you are here, can I ask you if you think Coloccini would be a good signing.

 

Just for the record.........

 

I've no idea. Do you ?

 

I'll have nothing but pessimism going into the season with the current midfield and forwards we have. Unfortunately, its the forwards that generally cost the most money.

 

 

 

 

 

I'm not sure what your second paragraph has to do with the question.

 

To answer your first one though, yes I think he'd be a good signing.

 

I'll ask it a different way, would you view it as a good signing?

 

if Keegan thinks its a good signing, and he's not being forced into buying his 2nd choice for monetary reasons.

 

But I won't be very optimistic going into the new season without at least one more forward player, ideally 2. Basically, if they don't get these players to go straight into the team and improve it, it will have been a s**** summer in my view. If we want to get the most from Keegan, he's got to back him.

 

 

 

Cheers.  I guess we'll never know re the bit in bold.  Nothing suggests its the case, or that it has or hasn't happened in the past.

 

of course not. We lost out on Modric, and bought a Liverpool reserve instead who of course might turn out to be the new Rob Lee.

 

And to date, nobody of any note has came to the club. Nothing has happened to suggest they have any ambition at all, all we have is comments and lack of signings to suggest they don't.

 

 

mackems.gif

 

Seriously hoping you don't believe that to be the thought process they've gone through.

 

have it your way then, he was a regular and important member of the team, which is why they let him go.

 

 

 

I don't think I said that

 

So what is this thought process then that they've gone through, that your ITK knowledge lets you see that others can't ?

 

The only solid evidence thus far is, we needed a midfielder, we tried to sign Modric and ended up with Guthrie.

[Dave]

eh ?

 

mackems.gif

 

What is this 'policy decision' you refer to? Did someone tell you about it? Let me guess, the clueless London journos. You're ridiculous.

[afar]

eh ?

 

mackems.gif

 

What is this 'policy decision' you refer to? Did someone tell you about it? Let me guess, the clueless London journos. You're ridiculous.

 

I thought you were out..or were you just reffering to the closet earlier ? ;P

[Dave]

eh ?

 

mackems.gif

 

What is this 'policy decision' you refer to? Did someone tell you about it? Let me guess, the clueless London journos. You're ridiculous.

 

I thought you were out..or were you just reffering to the closet earlier ? ;P

 

I'm sure in your small mind that was hilarious.

[afar]

eh ?

 

mackems.gif

 

What is this 'policy decision' you refer to? Did someone tell you about it? Let me guess, the clueless London journos. You're ridiculous.

 

I thought you were out..or were you just reffering to the closet earlier ? ;P

 

I'm sure in your small mind that was hilarious.

 

Actually it was, you wouldn't believe the amount of laughs I got from my mulitple personalities.

[NE5]

You didn't even fucking want Modric the first time.

 

I'd never heard of him, like most people.

 

Shame the club failed to land him when nobody had heard of him, and then failed again when everybody had though ?

 

[Liam Liam Liam O]

NE5, seeing as you are here, can I ask you if you think Coloccini would be a good signing.

 

Just for the record.........

 

I've no idea. Do you ?

 

I'll have nothing but pessimism going into the season with the current midfield and forwards we have. Unfortunately, its the forwards that generally cost the most money.

 

 

 

 

 

I'm not sure what your second paragraph has to do with the question.

 

To answer your first one though, yes I think he'd be a good signing.

 

I'll ask it a different way, would you view it as a good signing?

 

if Keegan thinks its a good signing, and he's not being forced into buying his 2nd choice for monetary reasons.

 

But I won't be very optimistic going into the new season without at least one more forward player, ideally 2. Basically, if they don't get these players to go straight into the team and improve it, it will have been a s**** summer in my view. If we want to get the most from Keegan, he's got to back him.

 

 

 

Cheers.  I guess we'll never know re the bit in bold.  Nothing suggests its the case, or that it has or hasn't happened in the past.

 

of course not. We lost out on Modric, and bought a Liverpool reserve instead who of course might turn out to be the new Rob Lee.

 

And to date, nobody of any note has came to the club. Nothing has happened to suggest they have any ambition at all, all we have is comments and lack of signings to suggest they don't.

 

 

mackems.gif

 

Seriously hoping you don't believe that to be the thought process they've gone through.

 

have it your way then, he was a regular and important member of the team, which is why they let him go.

 

 

 

I don't think I said that

 

So what is this thought process then that they've gone through, that your ITK knowledge lets you see that others can't ?

 

The only solid evidence thus far is, we needed a midfielder, we tried to sign Modric and ended up with Guthrie.

 

I don't think I claimed to know anything more than anyone else, quite the opposite in fact, if you bother to read back over what you've quoted.

 

NE5's Jedi mind tricks are clearly starting to work with you.

[NE5]

eh ?

 

mackems.gif

 

What is this 'policy decision' you refer to? Did someone tell you about it? Let me guess, the clueless London journos. You're ridiculous.

 

Morts quotes, and the transfer action so far, and Keegans quotes, and Allardyce's quotes.

 

Pretty conclusive so far. There's time for him yet to realise he;s going wrong though.

 

The transfer policy is the most important in the club Dave.

 

 

 

 

[Dave]

eh ?

 

mackems.gif

 

What is this 'policy decision' you refer to? Did someone tell you about it? Let me guess, the clueless London journos. You're ridiculous.

 

Morts quotes, and the transfer action so far, and Keegans quotes, and Allardyce's quotes.

 

Pretty conclusive so far. There's time for him yet to realise he;s going wrong though.

 

The transfer policy is the most important in the club Dave.

 

 

 

 

 

We changed the manager. FACT.

We have decided not to buy good players. NOT FACT.

 

Spot the difference.

[afar]

You didn't even f***ing want Modric the first time.

 

I'd never heard of him, like most people.

 

Shame the club failed to land him when nobody had heard of him, and then failed again when everybody had though ?

 

 

You see NE5 that's your problem, you don't play enough FM to know who these players are.

 

Back that up with the ability to search on youtube and you are up to the same level of knowledge as the rest of them on the forum.