Guest optimistic nit Posted September 6, 2008 Share Posted September 6, 2008 HTT, you confuse me, what is your problem with mike ashley? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syrette Posted September 6, 2008 Share Posted September 6, 2008 You also get to attend open training sessions for life (imagine thousands of fans watching training sessions, would make the players feel 10ft tall and develop a real close bond between fans and players) Nice idea in principle but in reality you'd end up with the same people who shout abuse at the players during the match doing so in the stands for a training session. There is also the whole element of people with links to opposing clubs gaining information from such openness, plus it would likely distract the players from doing their training to the best of their ability if they're constantly being watched and scrutinised. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnypd Posted September 6, 2008 Share Posted September 6, 2008 just because fans takeover a club does not mean it will by ran by amatuers. what experience of running a football club did mike ashley or chris mort have before taking over. Not a lot, that's why they got onboard people who did have experience. Ashley doesn't run the club. However both have significant business experience. chris mort had no experience of running a football club, he was a lawyer, derek llambiarse ran a casino, Tony Jiminez is a property speculator. likewise with John Hall bought the club he'd just built a shopping centre, while the Shepherd family were in the offshore business. the only people who go to a club already knowing how to run one are your Peter Risdales, Sam Hammans and so on, journeymen owners who jump from club to club, or folk like Peter Kenyon who have built up a pedigree within the industry, but those are rare. ashley's track record in business is appointing his mates or people he is already close to. the one outsider sports direct appointed to the board resigned a few months after taking the job saying he couldn't work with the team ashley had appointed - sounds familiar doesnt it? there are plenty of nufc fans out there with the required expertise, that's not the problem. what stands in the way of this being a realistic option is the co-ordination, general outlook and most importantly raising the initial funds needed to buy the club out. that would take a charitable donation from the likes of Graham Wylie, John Gregg, Duke of Northumberland or whoever else you can think of, and they'd hardly be willing to hand the club over to a trust if they put up the cash for it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor Swift Posted September 6, 2008 Share Posted September 6, 2008 The only way this would work is if we copy the Barca and Real style, but that will require a lot of money to start off. It is possible and feasible, but it's only a dream. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
9 Posted September 6, 2008 Share Posted September 6, 2008 So the club would need to run as a business and fund all transfers etc from profits made ? Sounds like how its being ran now but we dont get the free magazines Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted September 6, 2008 Share Posted September 6, 2008 It's a lovely notion but you need financial muscle to compete in today's game. We'd basically end up as a highly principled club with a really s*** team as far as I can see? As opposed to a morally bankrupt one with a s*** team? You do not need financial muscle to compete in today's game, not in the ways we are all being told to buy into anyway which of course is what the powers that be want, so they can sell their league and clubs to billionaires meaning more money on wages and transfers, meaning more exposure and demand for the product form overseas. Meaning more money in their pockets. Meaning less responsibility to fans. This is what this is all about but people can't see past the Robinhos, Chelsea winning the league etc. All you need to succeed is a good manager who can build a good team, supported by a good board and supportive fans spending what the club can afford. The best example of that happens to be the current champions Manchester United whose billionaire owner have not invested any of his riches, whose club despite the flack it gets has achieved success based on the club's own resources. This is the way to do it, not the Chelsea or Man City way. Those clubs will one day lose their sugar daddies and then what? Perhaps superstar players and a few pieces of silverware will be compensation enough to the fans of those f***ed clubs when it all goes tits up. Financially Newcastle United can survive and still compete, to suggest otherwise is defeatist and submitting to the powers that be who would love every club in the Premier League to be owned by a billionaire, for the world's greatest and most expensive stars to be signed to the Premier League - so they can then go and sell it bigger & better but at extra cost to the rest of the world. A world where you and I don't exist. We will lose our clubs and our game if we don't do something about it. Chanting at matches or boycotting games will not stop this. The only thing that will is if we take our clubs and our game back off these self serving people or if government stepped in and made things illegal or against the rules, but even then, they're hardly to be trusted either are they. We hold all the power and we really can reclaim our clubs and our game, if only we had the balls. No, we are instead happy to play the consumer role and to lie down and allow ourselves to be walked all over, and for what? Please tell me exactly what it is that forces you to part with your money, to drag you back week in week out? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest optimistic nit Posted September 6, 2008 Share Posted September 6, 2008 HTT, you confuse me, what is your problem with mike ashley? i would really like an answer to this question, i didn't ask it in jest, if you believe everything in your post on the other side, then surely you can have no real problem with mike ashley? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted September 6, 2008 Share Posted September 6, 2008 HTT, you confuse me, what is your problem with mike ashley? i would really like an answer to this question, i didn't ask it in jest, if you believe everything in your post on the other side, then surely you can have no real problem with mike ashley? I have no confidence in him or his setup whatsoever and therefore Newcastle United. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted September 6, 2008 Share Posted September 6, 2008 What would happen if someone pumped a million into the club? Would they get 200 votes? No, you'd still only get 1 vote just like the rest of us although your huge donation would be most welcomes and be put towards the kitty for the manager to spend on players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted September 6, 2008 Share Posted September 6, 2008 So the club would need to run as a business and fund all transfers etc from profits made ? Sounds like how its being ran now but we dont get the free magazines Or a club that can be bought and sold by anyone, a club that can treat its fans anyway they like for example, when a story breaks about the manager either being sacked or resigning, no news for a full day leaving fans in turmoil. Or a club that accepts the 39 game idea from the Premier league, a club that next year decides your seat is worth more than you can afford and sells it to someone else. That kind of club? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest optimistic nit Posted September 6, 2008 Share Posted September 6, 2008 ashley isn't trying to sell though. he said no to those squilionaires from arabland because he didn't want to sell. all of your points in the last sentance of the above post are valid points. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggio Posted September 6, 2008 Share Posted September 6, 2008 No and No. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted September 6, 2008 Share Posted September 6, 2008 ashley isn't trying to sell though. he said no to those squilionaires from arabland because he didn't want to sell. all of your points in the last sentance of the above post are valid points. As I said I have zero confidence in Ashley so I can't be as sure as you seem to be that he doesn't want to sell. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted September 6, 2008 Share Posted September 6, 2008 No and No. You get a DOF free, for life? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted September 6, 2008 Share Posted September 6, 2008 So the club would need to run as a business and fund all transfers etc from profits made ? Sounds like how its being ran now but we dont get the free magazines Or a club that can be bought and sold by anyone, a club that can treat its fans anyway they like for example, when a story breaks about the manager either being sacked or resigning, no news for a full day leaving fans in turmoil. Or a club that accepts the 39 game idea from the Premier league, a club that next year decides your seat is worth more than you can afford and sells it to someone else. That kind of club? HTT i'm gonna paraphrase brad pitt in the film seven here and ask: "when you've lost it this bad do you know you've lost it? or do you consider this level of total and utter overreaction normal?" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted September 6, 2008 Share Posted September 6, 2008 So the club would need to run as a business and fund all transfers etc from profits made ? Sounds like how its being ran now but we dont get the free magazines Or a club that can be bought and sold by anyone, a club that can treat its fans anyway they like for example, when a story breaks about the manager either being sacked or resigning, no news for a full day leaving fans in turmoil. Or a club that accepts the 39 game idea from the Premier league, a club that next year decides your seat is worth more than you can afford and sells it to someone else. That kind of club? HTT i'm gonna paraphrase brad pitt in the film seven here and ask: "when you've lost it this bad do you know you've lost it? or do you consider this level of total and utter overreaction normal?" What, theorising on a message board? Don't make me laugh. Just skimming the forum and a topic like this and some of my posts on this subject is normal and sane compared to some things that get posted about and spouted on here. Ask yourself the same question regarding your own reply... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Posted September 6, 2008 Share Posted September 6, 2008 I would trust the majority of our moronic fans with the club as much as I trust Mike Ashley with it. At least the latter has money. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest elbee909 Posted September 6, 2008 Share Posted September 6, 2008 Has this system worked anywhere else? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted September 6, 2008 Share Posted September 6, 2008 So the club would need to run as a business and fund all transfers etc from profits made ? Sounds like how its being ran now but we dont get the free magazines Or a club that can be bought and sold by anyone, a club that can treat its fans anyway they like for example, when a story breaks about the manager either being sacked or resigning, no news for a full day leaving fans in turmoil. Or a club that accepts the 39 game idea from the Premier league, a club that next year decides your seat is worth more than you can afford and sells it to someone else. That kind of club? HTT i'm gonna paraphrase brad pitt in the film seven here and ask: "when you've lost it this bad do you know you've lost it? or do you consider this level of total and utter overreaction normal?" What, theorising on a message board? Don't make me laugh. Just skimming the forum and a topic like this and some of my posts on this subject is normal and sane compared to some things that get posted about and spouted on here. Ask yourself the same question regarding your own reply... i dunno dude, some of your opinions are pretty extreme at the moment what evidence do you have, for example, for being convinced that ashley is stripping the club in order to sell it on at maximum profit that you didn't have on september 1st? why are you theorising about a fan takeover that is a few steps beyond impossible - did you do this when ashley took over? when his paying off of 70m debt in 60 days was publicised? didn't think so... i apologise for taking the piss but the overreactions to KK going are really laughable Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted September 6, 2008 Share Posted September 6, 2008 i apologise for taking the piss but the overreactions to KK going are really laughable I know, stupid us, it's only football man. Hopefully things will be back to normal when we score a goal at home to Hull. I'll be celebrating in my usual way of nodding gently in appreciation unlike the radgies who go mental over a goal, a goal I say. No wonder we're the laughing stock of football reacting to things like we do, so emotional. Why can't we be more like Fulham fans. Fuck off. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomson Mouse Posted September 6, 2008 Share Posted September 6, 2008 Yes, yes and a big Yes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted September 6, 2008 Share Posted September 6, 2008 i apologise for taking the piss but the overreactions to KK going are really laughable I know, stupid us, it's only football man. Hopefully things will be back to normal when we score a goal at home to Hull. I'll be celebrating in my usual way of nodding gently in appreciation unlike the radgies who go mental over a goal, a goal I say. No wonder we're the laughing stock of football reacting to things like we do, so emotional. Why can't we be more like Fulham fans. Fuck off. fuck off? what a twat, what a bairn you said on another thread you're pissed off for buying into the ashley dream or whatever it was was now you've been let down, that's your problem your fucking dummys out mate i'm trying to tell you very little of that "dream" has changed in essence or did you only buy the dream for KK? in which case fair enough but follow the bloke to glasgow and buy a soccer circus shirt or something, don't pretend you're a toon fan 'cause it suggests you support one man Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kimbo Posted September 6, 2008 Share Posted September 6, 2008 This would be a total disaster. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GM Posted September 6, 2008 Share Posted September 6, 2008 What would happen if someone pumped a million into the club? Would they get 200 votes? Works for this website. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted September 6, 2008 Share Posted September 6, 2008 i apologise for taking the piss but the overreactions to KK going are really laughable I know, stupid us, it's only football man. Hopefully things will be back to normal when we score a goal at home to Hull. I'll be celebrating in my usual way of nodding gently in appreciation unlike the radgies who go mental over a goal, a goal I say. No wonder we're the laughing stock of football reacting to things like we do, so emotional. Why can't we be more like Fulham fans. f*** off. f*** off? what a t***, what a bairn you said on another thread you're pissed off for buying into the ashley dream or whatever it was was now you've been let down, that's your problem your f***ing dummys out mate i'm trying to tell you very little of that "dream" has changed in essence or did you only buy the dream for KK? in which case fair enough but follow the bloke to glasgow and buy a soccer circus shirt or something, don't pretend you're a toon fan 'cause it suggests you support one man Not fuck off to you mate, fuck off to the 'it's just a game' mentality. Am I or have I over-reacted? I probably have in some eyes, not that I'm bothered what people think. Myself, I think I've been calm or a lot calmer than I thought I would be or have been in the past when things that have upset me occurred. I am deeply worried about the club's future though and football as a whole. I'll sound like a broken record soon but I have no confidence in any of it at the moment. KK leaving and especially in the manner he did is obviously at the root of that but I've felt this way for a long time now, only the reappointment of KK brought me out of it. 8 months of happiness is better than none though I suppose. As for the topic in question, I believe in 5-10 years time many a fan will be feeling the same, that clubs are better off in the hands of fans, or would be. I just hope it won't be too late by then. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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