oldtype Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 N'Zogbia's not developed at all. Nothing about his game has changed. In fact, I'd say he's worse now. This does pain me, but it's the truth. He's developed us a healthy £8million fee if nothing else. If we can say that about our 'superior' players then we are better than I thought. Of course a manager will pay more for a 22 year old with "potential" than a 29 year old who's at the end of his rope. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Segun Oluwaniyi Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 There are only three players at this club that would require fees over 8 million pounds: Martins, Gutierrez, and Bassong. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 N'Zogbia's not developed at all. Nothing about his game has changed. In fact, I'd say he's worse now. This does pain me, but it's the truth. He's developed us a healthy £8million fee if nothing else. If we can say that about our 'superior' players then we are better than I thought. Of course a manager will pay more for a 22 year old with "potential" than a 29 year old who's at the end of his rope. That's what Wenger does. Teams like Stoke and Fulham buy players at the end of their rope. How do Nolan and Lovenkrands fit into this scenario? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Segun Oluwaniyi Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 N'Zogbia's not developed at all. Nothing about his game has changed. In fact, I'd say he's worse now. This does pain me, but it's the truth. He's developed us a healthy £8million fee if nothing else. If we can say that about our 'superior' players then we are better than I thought. Of course a manager will pay more for a 22 year old with "potential" than a 29 year old who's at the end of his rope. That's what Wenger does. Teams like Stoke and Fulham buy players at the end of their rope. How do Nolan and Lovenkrands fit into this scenario? Loverkrands....not yet 30...only here till May Nolan....26...younger than Arshavin who Arsenal bought today. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 There are only three players at this club that would require fees over 8 million pounds: Martins, Gutierrez, and Bassong. If Ryan Taylor is valued at £1.5million and we got him plus £6.5m for Zog that makes Charlie worth £8million. It's not that difficult. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Segun Oluwaniyi Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 Is N'Zogbia at this club? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 N'Zogbia's not developed at all. Nothing about his game has changed. In fact, I'd say he's worse now. This does pain me, but it's the truth. He's developed us a healthy £8million fee if nothing else. If we can say that about our 'superior' players then we are better than I thought. Of course a manager will pay more for a 22 year old with "potential" than a 29 year old who's at the end of his rope. That's what Wenger does. Teams like Stoke and Fulham buy players at the end of their rope. How do Nolan and Lovenkrands fit into this scenario? Loverkrands....not yet 30...only here till May Nolan....26...younger than Arshavin who Arsenal bought today. I rest my case. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Segun Oluwaniyi Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 N'Zogbia's not developed at all. Nothing about his game has changed. In fact, I'd say he's worse now. This does pain me, but it's the truth. He's developed us a healthy £8million fee if nothing else. If we can say that about our 'superior' players then we are better than I thought. Of course a manager will pay more for a 22 year old with "potential" than a 29 year old who's at the end of his rope. That's what Wenger does. Teams like Stoke and Fulham buy players at the end of their rope. How do Nolan and Lovenkrands fit into this scenario? Loverkrands....not yet 30...only here till May Nolan....26...younger than Arshavin who Arsenal bought today. I rest my case. Wait What? What do you mean? I'm honestly confused to what your point is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 N'Zogbia's not developed at all. Nothing about his game has changed. In fact, I'd say he's worse now. This does pain me, but it's the truth. He's developed us a healthy £8million fee if nothing else. If we can say that about our 'superior' players then we are better than I thought. Of course a manager will pay more for a 22 year old with "potential" than a 29 year old who's at the end of his rope. That's what Wenger does. Teams like Stoke and Fulham buy players at the end of their rope. How do Nolan and Lovenkrands fit into this scenario? Loverkrands....not yet 30...only here till May Nolan....26...younger than Arshavin who Arsenal bought today. I rest my case. Wait What? What do you mean? I'm honestly confused to what your point is. You included Nolan and Arshavin in the same sentence using Nolan's age as a positive. Are you serious? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Segun Oluwaniyi Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 N'Zogbia's not developed at all. Nothing about his game has changed. In fact, I'd say he's worse now. This does pain me, but it's the truth. He's developed us a healthy £8million fee if nothing else. If we can say that about our 'superior' players then we are better than I thought. Of course a manager will pay more for a 22 year old with "potential" than a 29 year old who's at the end of his rope. That's what Wenger does. Teams like Stoke and Fulham buy players at the end of their rope. How do Nolan and Lovenkrands fit into this scenario? Loverkrands....not yet 30...only here till May Nolan....26...younger than Arshavin who Arsenal bought today. I rest my case. Wait What? What do you mean? I'm honestly confused to what your point is. You included Nolan and Arshavin in the same sentence using Nolan's age as a positive. Are you serious? Oh well yeah, that's a ridiculous comparison You were saying that managers like Wenger only pays for young players and the likes of Fulham and Stoke take players taht are past it. You used Nolan as an example of a player that was past it. I am saying that Nolan is younger than the only player Wenger bought today. I don't think he is past it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 N'Zogbia's not developed at all. Nothing about his game has changed. In fact, I'd say he's worse now. This does pain me, but it's the truth. He's developed us a healthy £8million fee if nothing else. If we can say that about our 'superior' players then we are better than I thought. Of course a manager will pay more for a 22 year old with "potential" than a 29 year old who's at the end of his rope. That's what Wenger does. Teams like Stoke and Fulham buy players at the end of their rope. How do Nolan and Lovenkrands fit into this scenario? Loverkrands....not yet 30...only here till May Nolan....26...younger than Arshavin who Arsenal bought today. I rest my case. Wait What? What do you mean? I'm honestly confused to what your point is. You included Nolan and Arshavin in the same sentence using Nolan's age as a positive. Are you serious? Oh well yeah, that's a ridiculous comparison You were saying that managers like Wenger only pays for young players and the likes of Fulham and Stoke take players taht are past it. You used Nolan as an example of a player that was past it. I am saying that Nolan is younger than the only player Wenger bought today. I don't think he is past it. I am saying Wenger has bought quality and we have bought left-overs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BigTrev Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 N'Zogbia's not developed at all. Nothing about his game has changed. In fact, I'd say he's worse now. This does pain me, but it's the truth. He's developed us a healthy £8million fee if nothing else. If we can say that about our 'superior' players then we are better than I thought. Of course a manager will pay more for a 22 year old with "potential" than a 29 year old who's at the end of his rope. That's what Wenger does. Teams like Stoke and Fulham buy players at the end of their rope. How do Nolan and Lovenkrands fit into this scenario? Loverkrands....not yet 30...only here till May Nolan....26...younger than Arshavin who Arsenal bought today. I rest my case. Wait What? What do you mean? I'm honestly confused to what your point is. You included Nolan and Arshavin in the same sentence using Nolan's age as a positive. Are you serious? Oh well yeah, that's a ridiculous comparison You were saying that managers like Wenger only pays for young players and the likes of Fulham and Stoke take players taht are past it. You used Nolan as an example of a player that was past it. I am saying that Nolan is younger than the only player Wenger bought today. I don't think he is past it. I am saying Wenger has bought quality and we have bought left-overs. a zenit left over you mean Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Darth Toon Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 Apparently we made a late bid to get Richardson from the mackems: http://www.sunderlandecho.com/sport/Newcastle-failed-in-bid-to.4939243.jp Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToonTastic Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 There are only three players at this club that would require fees over 8 million pounds: Martins, Gutierrez, and Bassong. If Ryan Taylor is valued at £1.5million and we got him plus £6.5m for Zog that makes Charlie worth £8million. It's not that difficult. We didn't, they were separate deals with both deals going through as undisclosed fees. Therefore if we sold Charlie for £6.5m he is worth £6.5m not £8m. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 So I guess we definitely haven't got any players agreed through email? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 So I guess we definitely haven't got any players agreed through email? Do you think joe kinnear knows how to use an email account? Let alone switch on a PC? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 Best young player we've had in 15 years?! Are you actually Charles N'Zogbia? Name a better NUFC youth product since 1994. Shola. Edit - as the previous people said, he's hardly a youth product. This argument If all other products of the academy / development are utter shite, the even if N'Zogbia is one of the better ones, this benchmark is so low that it therefore DOES NOT mean he would save us from relegation. In fact i'm finding it impossible to fathom the logic of an argument that involves N'Zogbia and fighting for relegation. Thats probably because such arguments are not based on logic but agendas tbh. Whether he goes on to be a better player at Wigan is irrelevant, he wasnt going to go an be a better player here so cashing in was the best option. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToonTastic Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 Best young player we've had in 15 years?! Are you actually Charles N'Zogbia? Name a better NUFC youth product since 1994. Shola. Edit - as the previous people said, he's hardly a youth product. This argument If all other products of the academy / development are utter s****, the even if N'Zogbia is one of the better ones, this benchmark is so low that it therefore DOES NOT mean he would save us from relegation. In fact i'm finding it impossible to fathom the logic of an argument that involves N'Zogbia and fighting for relegation. Thats probably because such arguments are not based on logic but agendas tbh. Whether he goes on to be a better player at Wigan is irrelevant, he wasnt going to go an be a better player here so cashing in was the best option. Agree with all that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 Best young player we've had in 15 years?! Are you actually Charles N'Zogbia? Name a better NUFC youth product since 1994. Shola. Edit - as the previous people said, he's hardly a youth product. This argument If all other products of the academy / development are utter shite, the even if N'Zogbia is one of the better ones, this benchmark is so low that it therefore DOES NOT mean he would save us from relegation. In fact i'm finding it impossible to fathom the logic of an argument that involves N'Zogbia and fighting for relegation. Thats probably because such arguments are not based on logic but agendas tbh. Whether he goes on to be a better player at Wigan is irrelevant, he wasnt going to go an be a better player here so cashing in was the best option. He wasn't going to be a better player here because we have other players ahead of him in his position, Duff previously and now Jonas as well. This is the situation which has led to him being discontent and being sold. Personally I think Bruce seems to be a good judge of a player and Charlie will show some of his old form at Wigan. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sicko2ndbest Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 I have not got a problem with making a profit on transfers I have not got a problem with have a positive net spend I have not got a problem with the players we have brought in I have not got a problem with not paying over the odds once a bid has been rejected What i have got a problem with is that we as a club have been made to look desperate, reckless, incompetent and small time. I know a lot of the media will direct it at the 3 in charge, but it is still the name of NUFC that gets associated. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Monkey Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 There are only three players at this club that would require fees over 8 million pounds: Martins, Gutierrez, and Bassong. Bassong? Only if they haven't seen him play. Nopt many clubs would pay £8m+ for half a good defender. N'zogbia wanted to go, for whatever reason, so there is no reason to keep him. Can't say i blame him for wanting off - he's being played out of position if at all, behind at least one player (Duff) who is no better than him. His choice of club was an odd one, but having said that, once he realised that his agent might have been exagerrating the Arsenal/Villa/etc interest, he decided to join a club currently 7th in the league, leabing one with an inferior manager, and a genuine chance of relegation. What's he left behind? A team he rarely played in the right position at, managed by a lair, with useless cretins on the Board. I'd have been much happier if we'd signed a striker as well (although not if Wise had anything to do with it, obviously), but if we get a competent right back and soem cash, at least that's something. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 Of course, we were desperately disappointed not to come away with more new signings, but myself and Mike Ashley worked hard throughout the day to try to make it happen. 32 other days wasted then. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 Of course, we were desperately disappointed not to come away with more new signings, but myself and Mike Ashley worked hard throughout the day to try to make it happen. 32 other days wasted then. Christ, where is that from? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/nufc/newcastle-united-news/2009/02/03/trio-to-return-from-injury-for-west-brom-crunch-72703-22841927/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 Kinnear said: "I have always rated Smithy very highly and he will bring in the battling qualities we need at the moment. "He works his socks off in training and in games as well. Mint! Hes like a f***ing Klingon locked in a wardrobe. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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