juniatmoko Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 we fail miserably in tranfers again (no shock!) still yet no squad depth and we lost 2 above qualities in our team. and replacing them with average or maybe shite one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 I think what annoyed me more than anything else was all the talk from Joe for months now how he'd got players lined up, loan deals for arsenal players, players in Italy, players in Spain, Championship stars and the rest of it. Then on the last day they were scrabbling round making daft bids for Sunderland players which were never going to come off. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Segun Oluwaniyi Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/nufc/newcastle-united-news/2009/02/03/trio-to-return-from-injury-for-west-brom-crunch-72703-22841927/ "But in welcoming back Oba, Viduka and Smithy we have three fresh faces to pick from. I am glad Joe didn't try to say "Obafemi" otherwise we'd have another disgruntled, unsettled player on our hands. Obladee, Oblado, Obuymeanotherbottleofwhiskeyplease. Usually calls him 'Obi' doesn't he? I don't know why, but many British announcers seem to think his name is "Obi Martins". I really can't understamd how or why. Are they confusing him with the Obi at Chelsea? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
juniatmoko Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 I think what annoyed me more than anything else was all the talk from Joe for months now how he'd got players lined up, loan deals for arsenal players, players in Italy, players in Spain, Championship stars and the rest of it. Then on the last day they were scrabbling round making daft bids for Sunderland players which were never going to come off. i think newcastle transfer rumour should be banned from this forum. because hoping of new player to strengtened squad is really a abomination at the end of the day. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
juniatmoko Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/nufc/newcastle-united-news/2009/02/03/trio-to-return-from-injury-for-west-brom-crunch-72703-22841927/ "But in welcoming back Oba, Viduka and Smithy we have three fresh faces to pick from. I am glad Joe didn't try to say "Obafemi" otherwise we'd have another disgruntled, unsettled player on our hands. Obladee, Oblado, Obuymeanotherbottleofwhiskeyplease. Usually calls him 'Obi' doesn't he? I don't know why, but many British announcers seem to think his name is "Obi Martins". I really can't understamd how or why. Are they confusing him with the Obi at Chelsea? no.... just to much star wars fans..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaizero Posted February 4, 2009 Share Posted February 4, 2009 Just watching the sports news in Norway, was a part about the new manager of Norway and so on, and there was an interview with an English scout that was watching Norwegian Prem Sides at their pre-season tourney at La Manga in Span, and he was wearing a Newcastle track suit. Was interesting to see we had a scout present there is all. Old-ish with grey hair. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaizero Posted February 4, 2009 Share Posted February 4, 2009 Norman Wooster was his name. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtype Posted February 4, 2009 Share Posted February 4, 2009 As long as we're talking about random Newcastle staff sightings... I live in Cambridge, Massachusetts, USA. About two years ago in the spring, I was walking past a nice hotel in a neighborhood when some middle-aged man wearing a Newcastle tracksuit popped out of the lobby. Thought it could be some random bloke who had bought a tracksuit, but his top was initialed (like the stuff the coaching staff wears on matchday) so I suppose he might have been someone connected to the club. No idea what he'd be doing there. This place isn't really much of a vacation spot. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted February 4, 2009 Share Posted February 4, 2009 As long as we're talking about random Newcastle staff sightings... I live in Cambridge, Massachusetts, USA. About two years ago in the spring, I was walking past a nice hotel in a neighborhood when some middle-aged man wearing a Newcastle tracksuit popped out of the lobby. Thought it could be some random bloke who had bought a tracksuit, but his top was initialed (like the stuff the coaching staff wears on matchday) so I suppose he might have been someone connected to the club. No idea what he'd be doing there. This place isn't really much of a vacation spot. shit story dude Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
papo Posted February 4, 2009 Share Posted February 4, 2009 and what the fuck happened with the Fox deal ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skirge Posted February 4, 2009 Share Posted February 4, 2009 Sell players, get cheaper ones in and cross fingers Feb 4 2009 by Luke Edwards, The Journal Mike Ashley is adamant he wants to drive Newcastle United forward but he has once again failed to put his money where his mouth is. Chief sports writer Luke Edwards reports THERE is supposed to be a business plan at Newcastle United. Unfortunately, as things stand, you could probably write it down on the back of a Sports Direct till receipt. In short, judging by United’s transfer policy since Mike Ashley took control at St James’s Park, it can roughly be summed up as a plan which requires Newcastle to sell players, bring in cheaper ones and keep their fingers crossed Joe Kinnear can blend them into a team which can avoid relegation. Much was expected of Newcastle United in the January transfer window, but we have been saying the same thing in each of the four windows since Ashley rolled into Tyneside with a brash swagger and a reputation as a sharp businessman with an eye for a bargain. Instead of hoping for something exciting to happen in January – or at least something which would prevent the Magpies playing Championship football next season – perhaps we should have realised, given the previous record in the transfer market under Ashley’s regime and the battering his personal fortune has taken in the credit crunch, such a hope was always going to be a forlorn one. A forlorn hope is a military term for a group of soldiers – normally the first wave of troops attempting to storm a breach in a fort’s defences – in a life-threatening or hazardous position. It seems equally apt for a Newcastle United squad in relegation peril. Kinnear had asked for at least four players to strengthen his playing resources. He got three in Peter Løvenkrands, Kevin Nolan and Ryan Taylor, but also lost two in Shay Given and Charles N’Zogbia. A small squad is one player better off and, to make matters worse, at a time when he was expected to fund the club’s transfer business from his own sizeable pocket, Ashley has overseen transactions which meant Newcastle ended the month with a profit of around £7.6m. They may have tried to spend that money before the window closed on Monday, but they failed and the presence of any sort of profit – coupled with the £5m believed to be left from the £12m deal which took James Milner to Aston Villa – will infuriate supporters who were looking for a gesture from the Ashley regime that they do indeed have the club’s best interests at heart. That was how Ashley could regain some trust, but the Berkshire-based sports shop entrepreneur has never plunged any of his millions into the transfer market as Newcastle’s owner and he was in no mood to alter his approach despite the obvious need for investment. Despite excitable talk of the billionaire bankrolling an extravagant spending spree when he first emerged as Newcastle’s new owner, Ashley has been prudent at best. His net spend on transfers in his 20 months on Tyneside stands – if you exclude the notoriously difficult to gauge loan fees – at roughly £2.1m. It is a shockingly small sum of money in the modern era and undermines everything Ashley has set out to achieve. To put into some sort of context, Tottenham Hotspur, a club of comparable size also worried by relegation, have spent an estimated £45m on new players in this transfer window alone. According to Richard Scudamore, the Premier League’s chief executive, each top-flight team will receive between £30-£50m per season from the last television deal agreed with Sky Sports and Setanta. Despite a global recession, that figure is expected to rise again when a new agreement is signed in the next few weeks. This money, though, has covered wages rather than transfers at Newcastle. When former chairman Chris Mort was still in charge and willing to discuss club matters in public he insisted Newcastle’s business model under Ashley was based on an Arsenal design. Money will be spent on the best young players from around the world rather than expensive, established international stars on astronomical wages. The young players would spend their best years at the club and, if they were to move on, would do so at a significant profit, money which could then be reinvested in the playing staff. It is an ambitious plan, but it is also utopian. When Arsenal began their new project they did so from a position of strength with one of the world’s best managers in charge. When Arsene Wenger arrived in North London from Japan in 1996, he inherited a side with a strong core and added to it. He won trophies with that side and bought himself time. It is only in the last few years that he has brought through so many exciting youngsters into the first team. Newcastle have tried to do the same from a position of weakness with an expensively assembled squad which hasn’t won anything for decades and a wage bill which eats up 70% of the club’s turnover. Ashley’s plan looks good on paper and probably sounded even better when he was discussing it with his mates Tony Jimenez and Dennis Wise at the casino but, so far, it has failed to convince or achieve results. In time, as a promising youth team starts to mature, it may reap its rewards – but that does nothing to alleviate the concerns of the here and now. Ashley could only do that by signing players for the first team and Newcastle have not managed to do enough in that respect to calm anyone’s fears. The January transfer window creates artificial excitement for 24-hour news channels. In doing so, however, the month-long free-for-all also cranks up the pressure on managers who can be beaten with another stick if they fail to fulfil expectations in terms of player recruitment. There are those who would like to see the window scrapped altogether, there are others who feel it would be more sensible if it – as it does in other European countries – coincided with a winter break. Perhaps things would be calmer if the length of the window was extended in the middle of the season to allow clubs more time to negotiate. Even then, however, you doubt Newcastle would have succeeded where they have failed so many times before under the Ashley regime. http://www.journallive.co.uk/nufc/newcastle-united-news/2009/02/04/sell-players-get-cheaper-ones-in-and-cross-fingers-61634-22849154/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted February 4, 2009 Share Posted February 4, 2009 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted February 4, 2009 Share Posted February 4, 2009 well said Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted February 4, 2009 Share Posted February 4, 2009 Cracking article. I think it's very significant that the local press are also making this point. Questions need to be asked and answered about our consistent unwillingness or ineptitude when it comes to bringing in the playing personnel required to fulfill the club's (and owner's) ambitions. Especially the point about the Arsenal setup is well made; we are a million miles away from copying their structure and success. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BONTEMPI Posted February 4, 2009 Share Posted February 4, 2009 Spot on that Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skirge Posted February 4, 2009 Share Posted February 4, 2009 We are now starting to see what the Journal and Chronicle should have been sayng a long time ago, seems now Anal has gone they are much more objective in what they write. Won't go down to well with the club but so fk as its spot on all the way, truth hurts as they say. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest The Libertine Posted February 4, 2009 Share Posted February 4, 2009 "Despite excitable talk of the billionaire bankrolling an extravagant spending spree when he first emerged as Newcastle’s new owner" talk from who? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Mongo Posted February 4, 2009 Share Posted February 4, 2009 "Despite excitable talk of the billionaire bankrolling an extravagant spending spree when he first emerged as Newcastle’s new owner" talk from who? From Mike Ashley. ASHLEY tells how he wants players with heart and passion for the club and that there is money for Keegan to spend. “Yes, there is. If the deal is right – and that means it’s the right player who Kevin wants – then we will do that deal. “Kevin himself is very particular on who he wants. To use his words, they have to have the right heart for Newcastle United. That is massively important for him – if they don’t, then he is not interested. That does not at all imply we have to sell players to buy. Mike Ashley is a liar and a fraud. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted February 4, 2009 Share Posted February 4, 2009 "Despite excitable talk of the billionaire bankrolling an extravagant spending spree when he first emerged as Newcastles new owner" talk from who? From Mike Ashley. ASHLEY tells how he wants players with heart and passion for the club and that there is money for Keegan to spend. Yes, there is. If the deal is right and that means its the right player who Kevin wants then we will do that deal. Kevin himself is very particular on who he wants. To use his words, they have to have the right heart for Newcastle United. That is massively important for him if they dont, then he is not interested. That does not at all imply we have to sell players to buy. Mike Ashley is a liar and a fraud. I remember those comments but cant remember where they came from, did he defo say that?...........or was it one of his goons? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToonTastic Posted February 4, 2009 Share Posted February 4, 2009 "Despite excitable talk of the billionaire bankrolling an extravagant spending spree when he first emerged as Newcastle’s new owner" talk from who? From Mike Ashley. ASHLEY tells how he wants players with heart and passion for the club and that there is money for Keegan to spend. “Yes, there is. If the deal is right – and that means it’s the right player who Kevin wants – then we will do that deal. “Kevin himself is very particular on who he wants. To use his words, they have to have the right heart for Newcastle United. That is massively important for him – if they don’t, then he is not interested. That does not at all imply we have to sell players to buy. Mike Ashley is a liar and a fraud. It doesn't imply we don't. He does however say "If the deal is right" suggesting money is an object at the club so we won't be spending large fortunes. I'm not seeing the lies and fraud other than suggesting KK has the say in the players but nobody is 100% certain of what happened there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Mongo Posted February 4, 2009 Share Posted February 4, 2009 Northerngimp, it was from the official interview in the official magazine, reprinted in the Chronic. Toontastic: yes, it does imply we don't have to sell to buy. Money being available means exactly that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToonTastic Posted February 4, 2009 Share Posted February 4, 2009 Northerngimp, it was from the official interview in the official magazine, reprinted in the Chronic. Toontastic: yes, it does imply we don't have to sell to buy. Money being available means exactly that. No it doesn't money being available means money will be available to buy players. The selling of players was needed to clear the stupidly huge wage bill we have. He does not once in any statement say we will not have to sell any players. Therefore surely by suggesting that you are the "liar and the fraud" ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Mongo Posted February 4, 2009 Share Posted February 4, 2009 Money being available means money does not have to be made available through sales, as the money already is available. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nobby_solano Posted February 4, 2009 Share Posted February 4, 2009 money was available, meaning richard wasn't on the phone Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToonTastic Posted February 4, 2009 Share Posted February 4, 2009 Money being available means money does not have to be made available through sales, as the money already is available. Which it was and money was spent, we also brought money in, I'm really not sure what point your trying to make ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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