Ishmael Posted July 3, 2009 Share Posted July 3, 2009 ujpest doza so wise Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted July 3, 2009 Share Posted July 3, 2009 it's something that the media has always overlooked, Post-1998 he's let England down badly in the tournaments I honestly don't know how he does it, his reputation is an absolute sham Must have missed his goal against Brazil in the World Cup Quarter Final in 2002 did you? I wish him every success in the world and i do not blame him one bit for what happened in his 4 years with us. He still had a good goals to games record for us and at times last season worked his stots off and was far and away our best player in some games while being constantly starved of service by our s*** awful midfield. why are you bringing that up? One goal doesn't change the fact that he let us down. His record post-1998 is 4 goals in 16 games in the tournaments, pathetic How is 8 goals in 28 games a good goals to games record btw? Seriously Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEMTEX Posted July 3, 2009 Share Posted July 3, 2009 'Tap in a few sitters' - Ruud tapped in over 150 sitters for United - shit footballer iirc Need to look at different playing roles, formations, team mentalities, attacking patterns of play etc. before comparing how successful players are. You know that Tevez and Berbs occupy completely different roles in the United team and are used when they are suited best? Ruud (and Berbatov for that matter) is a significantly more well-rounded player than Michael Owen because he can hold the ball for longer than 3 seconds without being blown over by a rogue cross-wind. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishmael Posted July 3, 2009 Share Posted July 3, 2009 4 goals in 16 games in the tournaments, pathetic Interestingly the average number of goals per game in international competitions has significantly decreased post 1998 - as has the number of goals individuals have scored on average. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted July 3, 2009 Share Posted July 3, 2009 comparing Owen with Ruud Van Nistelrooj Van Nistelrooj has strength, is the best finisher in the world and has an absolutely magnificent first touch Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishmael Posted July 3, 2009 Share Posted July 3, 2009 Ruud (and Berbatov for that matter) is a significantly more well-rounded player than Michael Owen because he can hold the ball for longer than 3 seconds without being blown over by a rogue cross-wind. Holding the ball up = 'more well-rounded' eh? Ruud was berated as a player who was seemingly limited to only being able to score goals. Yet, he and United where successful during his stint. I was merely implying how a club and player can in that situation can and has been successful. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frazzle Posted July 3, 2009 Share Posted July 3, 2009 it's something that the media has always overlooked, Post-1998 he's let England down badly in the tournaments I honestly don't know how he does it, his reputation is an absolute sham Must have missed his goal against Brazil in the World Cup Quarter Final in 2002 did you? I wish him every success in the world and i do not blame him one bit for what happened in his 4 years with us. He still had a good goals to games record for us and at times last season worked his stots off and was far and away our best player in some games while being constantly starved of service by our s*** awful midfield. why are you bringing that up? One goal doesn't change the fact that he let us down. His record post-1998 is 4 goals in 16 games in the tournaments, pathetic How is 8 goals in 28 games a good goals to games record btw? Seriously 8 in 28 isn't bad. Adebayor got 10 in 27 and Rooney 12 in 30 last season. The difference being that Owen's team was relegated and those players' team finished in the top 4. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishmael Posted July 3, 2009 Share Posted July 3, 2009 comparing Owen with Ruud Van Nistelrooj Van Nistelrooj has strength, is the best finisher in the world and has an absolutely magnificent first touch It's not a comparison, merely indicating how a team can be successful using a specific goalscorer. They did it with cRonaldo last year too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted July 3, 2009 Share Posted July 3, 2009 it's something that the media has always overlooked, Post-1998 he's let England down badly in the tournaments I honestly don't know how he does it, his reputation is an absolute sham Must have missed his goal against Brazil in the World Cup Quarter Final in 2002 did you? I wish him every success in the world and i do not blame him one bit for what happened in his 4 years with us. He still had a good goals to games record for us and at times last season worked his stots off and was far and away our best player in some games while being constantly starved of service by our s*** awful midfield. why are you bringing that up? One goal doesn't change the fact that he let us down. His record post-1998 is 4 goals in 16 games in the tournaments, pathetic How is 8 goals in 28 games a good goals to games record btw? Seriously 8 in 28 isn't bad. Adebayor got 10 in 27 and Rooney 12 in 30 last season. The difference being that Owen's team was relegated and those players' team finished in the top 4. but it certainly isn't 'good' is it now. Especially when you consider the fact that he relies on goals to justify selection more than just about every striker in the league Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEMTEX Posted July 3, 2009 Share Posted July 3, 2009 Ruud (and Berbatov for that matter) is a significantly more well-rounded player than Michael Owen because he can hold the ball for longer than 3 seconds without being blown over by a rogue cross-wind. Holding the ball up = 'more well-rounded' eh? Ruud was berated as a player who was seemingly limited to only being able to score goals. Yet, he and United where successful during his stint. I was merely implying how a club and player can in that situation can and has been successful. Was just one example of why Ruud is better than Michael slOwen. Thus a team is limiting themselves less with RVN. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishmael Posted July 3, 2009 Share Posted July 3, 2009 Ruud (and Berbatov for that matter) is a significantly more well-rounded player than Michael Owen because he can hold the ball for longer than 3 seconds without being blown over by a rogue cross-wind. Holding the ball up = 'more well-rounded' eh? Ruud was berated as a player who was seemingly limited to only being able to score goals. Yet, he and United where successful during his stint. I was merely implying how a club and player can in that situation can and has been successful. Was just one example of why Ruud is better than Michael slOwen. Thus a team is limiting themselves less with RVN. Pointless discussion here - end it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEMTEX Posted July 3, 2009 Share Posted July 3, 2009 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ujpest doza Posted July 3, 2009 Share Posted July 3, 2009 it's something that the media has always overlooked, Post-1998 he's let England down badly in the tournaments I honestly don't know how he does it, his reputation is an absolute sham Must have missed his goal against Brazil in the World Cup Quarter Final in 2002 did you? I wish him every success in the world and i do not blame him one bit for what happened in his 4 years with us. He still had a good goals to games record for us and at times last season worked his stots off and was far and away our best player in some games while being constantly starved of service by our s*** awful midfield. why are you bringing that up? One goal doesn't change the fact that he let us down. His record post-1998 is 4 goals in 16 games in the tournaments, pathetic How is 8 goals in 28 games a good goals to games record btw? Seriously When has he ever let us or England down?? Would Shearer, RVN, Andy Cole, Marco van Basten etc etc have scored goals for us last season given the shit service from our crap midfield?? I think Not! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
quayside Posted July 3, 2009 Share Posted July 3, 2009 The problem we had was that we spunked too much money on one player and so had to rely far too much on him being fit and in form - and you cannot rely on Owen, his fitness record says it all, he is a bit of a luxury player tbh. ManU do not need to build a side around him, he is an option in an already talented and varied squad, they can afford the luxury. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted July 3, 2009 Share Posted July 3, 2009 Are you seriously saying that 8 in 28 is a good record mate? There's a reason Capello wants him nowhere near, he's a nothing player against good defenders and has been for a long time Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frazzle Posted July 3, 2009 Share Posted July 3, 2009 Are you seriously saying that 8 in 28 is a good record mate? There's a reason Capello wants him nowhere near, he's a nothing player against good defenders and has been for a long time But what's the reason for Ferguson wanting him then? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted July 3, 2009 Share Posted July 3, 2009 Ferguson has an ego the size of South America. He'll probably think there's a chance that working with him every day will bring out the Owen of 5 years ago, a very dangerous striker Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishmael Posted July 3, 2009 Share Posted July 3, 2009 Capello will keep his reasons for not selecting Owen away from the media hype. But he's said that it's all about fitness and form. How any striker of Owen's nature could show any form in our team is beyond questionable. Certainly didn't maintain a solid level of fitness either. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishmael Posted July 3, 2009 Share Posted July 3, 2009 Ferguson has an ego the size of South America. He'll probably think there's a chance that working with him every day will bring out the Owen of 5 years ago, a very dangerous striker and with good cause. Wouldn't expect Owen to recapture 5 years ago, but definitely if he maintains some vein of fitness score a few goals. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted July 3, 2009 Share Posted July 3, 2009 Owne must be laughing his cock off at us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cp40 Posted July 3, 2009 Share Posted July 3, 2009 Fergusson, always has 5-6 goal getters in his teams, ,... thats why he wins things, he obviously thinks Owen can still score. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorJ_01 Posted July 3, 2009 Share Posted July 3, 2009 it's something that the media has always overlooked, Post-1998 he's let England down badly in the tournaments I honestly don't know how he does it, his reputation is an absolute sham Must have missed his goal against Brazil in the World Cup Quarter Final in 2002 did you? I wish him every success in the world and i do not blame him one bit for what happened in his 4 years with us. He still had a good goals to games record for us and at times last season worked his stots off and was far and away our best player in some games while being constantly starved of service by our s*** awful midfield. why are you bringing that up? One goal doesn't change the fact that he let us down. His record post-1998 is 4 goals in 16 games in the tournaments, pathetic How is 8 goals in 28 games a good goals to games record btw? Seriously When has he ever let us or England down?? Would Shearer, RVN, Andy Cole, Marco van Basten etc etc have scored goals for us last season given the s*** service from our crap midfield?? I think Not! Is this a wind up? It's working. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted July 3, 2009 Share Posted July 3, 2009 Fair play to him managing to get a deal there. Still won't respect his complete lack of effort for us though. PS: He'll be back in the England squad straight away even if he barely plays. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishmael Posted July 3, 2009 Share Posted July 3, 2009 Clearly not a wind up. He's pointing out how weak our creative department was last year. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishmael Posted July 3, 2009 Share Posted July 3, 2009 PS: He'll be back in the England squad straight away even if he barely plays. Underestimating Fabio tbh Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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