Hanshithispantz Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 The facts point to Mike wanting to sell and Carroll wanting to leave, and for £35 million you can hardly blame Ashley, he's absolutely fleeced Liverpool Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Shaun Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Andy Carroll is a disgusting human being. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BottledDog Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 It's clear Ashley wanted: the money from the transfer > Andy Carroll. He just could have offered Andy Carroll an improved contract and he still would have been here. So was Carroll bigger than club then? No, but he was one of our most valuable players? We could just have rejected the offer and sell him in the summer (and I think that was the plan.) 1. He handed in a transfer request. 2. We wouldn't get anywhere near that price in the summer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnonel Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 It's clear Ashley wanted: the money from the transfer > Andy Carroll. He just could have offered Andy Carroll an improved contract and he still would have been here. So was Carroll bigger than club then? And if they had given in to Carroll it is tantamount to giving every player in the squad an invitation to rush in and demand to renegotiate their contract. Just for the young players that establish themselves as key players for the team and a top player in the division. Could Ashly have done everything to keep Carrol? Yes. He could have paid him 200k a week, purchased him 15 houses in the bahamas, and a years supply of strippers, but that isnt the point is it? Its a management nightmare if you give in. Carrol isnt that special that he can demand an increase after a few months. Holy crap that is so presumptous. He had ample time to negotiate a 5 year contract. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Thump 1892 Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 It's clear Ashley wanted: the money from the transfer > Andy Carroll. He just could have offered Andy Carroll an improved contract and he still would have been here. f***ing sick to death of people saying things like this like. He was earning a very good wage, and would have earned at least that for the next 5 1/2 years, playing for his boyhood club, wearing the 'famous' number 9 shirt that he dreamt about wearing, playing in front of 50,000 adoring fans every home game. For a geordie lad, that surely has to be worth more than a bigger pay packet somewhere else. He wasn't earning a f***ing pittance here for christ sake. Whether it was him, his agent or Ashley and Llambias it was all done out of f***ing greed, not for footballing reasons. Completely agreed. I'm sure most of us would play for the club if our living and travel expenses were paid; wearing the shirt is pay enough for me if I'm honest. Now wearing the number 9? Not even worth thinking about how little I'd ask for. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Remember reading in SBR's book that it was standard procedure to "adjust" a players wages if a bid is rejected from another club to compensate for what the player might have earned at the new club. Standard procedure under a regime that had no control over its spending. As I said before, it's fair enough for Carroll to use this rival offer to attempt to get a pay rise from NUFC (I've done that myself at work). But Ashley is well within his rights to tell him to bugger off. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayson Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Remember reading in SBR's book that it was standard procedure to "adjust" a players wages if a bid is rejected from another club to compensate for what the player might have earned at the new club - looks like another case of Ashley and co not understanding football! Having said that if you look at the names that Carroll is alongside in the highest transfers fees list you can empathise with the club a little bit; +£35m is a huge number, if only the equation was as simple as this, i'd rather have £35m invested in the squad with no Carroll than having the current squad with Carroll. Interesting that is. According to a few on here thats completely ridiculous Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ads Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 It's clear Ashley wanted: the money from the transfer > Andy Carroll. He just could have offered Andy Carroll an improved contract and he still would have been here. f***ing sick to death of people saying things like this like. He was earning a very good wage, and would have earned at least that for the next 5 1/2 years, playing for his boyhood club, wearing the 'famous' number 9 shirt that he dreamt about wearing, playing in front of 50,000 adoring fans every home game. For a geordie lad, that surely has to be worth more than a bigger pay packet somewhere else. He wasn't earning a f***ing pittance here for christ sake. Whether it was him, his agent or Ashley and Llambias it was all done out of f***ing greed, not for footballing reasons. Completely agreed. I'm sure most of us would play for the club if our living and travel expenses were paid; wearing the shirt is pay enough for me if I'm honest. Now wearing the number 9? Not even worth thinking about how little I'd ask for. Exactly my point. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 The facts point to Mike wanting to sell and Carroll wanting to leave, and for £35 million you can hardly blame Ashley, he's absolutely fleeced Liverpool Exactly, I'm not angry or disappointed in Ashley (for this) because any owner would have done the same. I'm gutted with Carroll over this though, he's destroyed my faith that any footballer could care about more than money. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
quayside Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 It's clear Ashley wanted: the money from the transfer > Andy Carroll. He just could have offered Andy Carroll an improved contract and he still would have been here. So was Carroll bigger than club then? Of course not, just a damn important player for the clubs future and the fans. Is it unreasonable that his contract reflects that. The contract was only signed in October iirc, since when he's done a very good half a season and is now out injured for some time. The club said they would look at the contract in the summer when he's done a full season (less time missed when he's injured) and renegotiate then and I can't see that as being unreasonable. I really rate Carroll but Liverpool have taken a huge financial risk with this deal imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoU Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 It's clear Ashley wanted: the money from the transfer > Andy Carroll. He just could have offered Andy Carroll an improved contract and he still would have been here. What sort of example does that set? Give in to player demands or watch them walk out. Player demands!? He could have just rejected the bid from Liverpool. Also it doesn't seem unusual or unreasonable to me that young players get renegotiate their contracts quite often, when they make a name for themselves. Like going from being a championship striker to a top premiership striker and England international ! You could argue that it's not unreasonable for the club to ask him to complete his first full season in top flight, and see how he gets on, before renegotiating in the summer, either. Seems AC didn't want to wait. I don't think he would mind having to stay with us. Have a feeling he isn't that happy with how things worked out. Maybe I'm just being sentimental, but at least believing when Carroll says his sad to be leaving, will help me sleep at night. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SGSC Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Andy Carroll is a disgusting human being. wtf Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxfree Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Remember reading in SBR's book that it was standard procedure to "adjust" a players wages if a bid is rejected from another club to compensate for what the player might have earned at the new club - looks like another case of Ashley and co not understanding football! Having said that if you look at the names that Carroll is alongside in the highest transfers fees list you can empathise with the club a little bit; +£35m is a huge number, if only the equation was as simple as this, i'd rather have £35m invested in the squad with no Carroll than having the current squad with Carroll. Interesting that is. According to a few on here thats completely ridiculous Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnonel Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Remember reading in SBR's book that it was standard procedure to "adjust" a players wages if a bid is rejected from another club to compensate for what the player might have earned at the new club - looks like another case of Ashley and co not understanding football! Having said that if you look at the names that Carroll is alongside in the highest transfers fees list you can empathise with the club a little bit; +£35m is a huge number, if only the equation was as simple as this, i'd rather have £35m invested in the squad with no Carroll than having the current squad with Carroll. Interesting that is. According to a few on here thats completely ridiculous Carrol is allowed to ask for more. MA is allowed to say no. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fredbob Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 It's clear Ashley wanted: the money from the transfer > Andy Carroll. He just could have offered Andy Carroll an improved contract and he still would have been here. Fucking sick to death of people saying things like this like. He was earning a very good wage, and would have earned at least that for the next 5 1/2 years, playing for his boyhood club, wearing the 'famous' number 9 shirt that he dreamt about wearing, playing in front of 50,000 adoring fans every home game. For a geordie lad, that surely has to be worth more than a bigger pay packet somewhere else. He wasn't earning a fucking pittance here for christ sake. Whether it was him, his agent or Ashley and Llambias it was all done out of fucking greed, not for footballing reasons. If £40k is a very good wage to make him stay then surely £40k more is a very good wage to make him want to leave?! (Assuming the figures quoted are correct) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBG Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 It's clear Ashley wanted: the money from the transfer > Andy Carroll. He just could have offered Andy Carroll an improved contract and he still would have been here. f***ing sick to death of people saying things like this. He was earning a very good wage, and would have earned at least that for the next 5 1/2 years, playing for his boyhood club, wearing the 'famous' number 9 shirt that he dreamt about wearing, playing in front of 50,000 adoring fans every home game. For a geordie lad, that surely has to be worth more than a bigger pay packet somewhere else. He wasn't earning a f***ing pittance here for christ sake. Whether it was him, his agent or Ashley and Llambias it was all done out of f***ing greed, not for footballing reasons. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxfree Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Remember reading in SBR's book that it was standard procedure to "adjust" a players wages if a bid is rejected from another club to compensate for what the player might have earned at the new club - looks like another case of Ashley and co not understanding football! Having said that if you look at the names that Carroll is alongside in the highest transfers fees list you can empathise with the club a little bit; +£35m is a huge number, if only the equation was as simple as this, i'd rather have £35m invested in the squad with no Carroll than having the current squad with Carroll. Interesting that is. According to a few on here thats completely ridiculous Carrol is allowed to ask for more. MA is allowed to say no. You obviously don't get the point. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoU Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Remember reading in SBR's book that it was standard procedure to "adjust" a players wages if a bid is rejected from another club to compensate for what the player might have earned at the new club - looks like another case of Ashley and co not understanding football! Having said that if you look at the names that Carroll is alongside in the highest transfers fees list you can empathise with the club a little bit; +£35m is a huge number, if only the equation was as simple as this, i'd rather have £35m invested in the squad with no Carroll than having the current squad with Carroll. Interesting that is. According to a few on here thats completely ridiculous Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 The thing is, there's no such thing as the market value of a footballer, so there's no reason NUFC should always up a players wages to what he would have earned elsewhere. They have to manage the finances of the club in the best interests of everyone, based on their strategy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Shaun Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Andy Carroll is a disgusting human being. wtf Never noticed before, how his face makes me gag. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxfree Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 The thing is, there's no such thing as the market value of a footballer, so there's no reason NUFC should always up a players wages to what he would have earned elsewhere. They have to manage the finances of the club in the best interests of everyone, based on their strategy. 30-40 k however you see it - is raisable for one of our best player. Didn't we take Ireland on a 40 k loan deal just now? Fucks sake.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Remember reading in SBR's book that it was standard procedure to "adjust" a players wages if a bid is rejected from another club to compensate for what the player might have earned at the new club - looks like another case of Ashley and co not understanding football! Having said that if you look at the names that Carroll is alongside in the highest transfers fees list you can empathise with the club a little bit; +£35m is a huge number, if only the equation was as simple as this, i'd rather have £35m invested in the squad with no Carroll than having the current squad with Carroll. Interesting that is. According to a few on here thats completely ridiculous Carrol is allowed to ask for more. MA is allowed to say no. Exactly Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SGSC Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 The thing is, there's no such thing as the market value of a footballer, so there's no reason NUFC should always up a players wages to what he would have earned elsewhere. They have to manage the finances of the club in the best interests of everyone, based on their strategy. 30-40 k however you see it - is raisable for one of our best player. Ok, but why must it be on Carrolls terms and when he wants it? I'm sure the club would reassess the situation at seasons end. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Shaun Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 The thing is, there's no such thing as the market value of a footballer, so there's no reason NUFC should always up a players wages to what he would have earned elsewhere. They have to manage the finances of the club in the best interests of everyone, based on their strategy. 30-40 k however you see it - is raisable for one of our best player. Didn't we take Ireland on a 40 k loan deal just now? f***s sake.. Fuck me! he can hardly buy a loaf of bread with that money. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ads Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 It's clear Ashley wanted: the money from the transfer > Andy Carroll. He just could have offered Andy Carroll an improved contract and he still would have been here. Fucking sick to death of people saying things like this like. He was earning a very good wage, and would have earned at least that for the next 5 1/2 years, playing for his boyhood club, wearing the 'famous' number 9 shirt that he dreamt about wearing, playing in front of 50,000 adoring fans every home game. For a geordie lad, that surely has to be worth more than a bigger pay packet somewhere else. He wasn't earning a fucking pittance here for christ sake. Whether it was him, his agent or Ashley and Llambias it was all done out of fucking greed, not for footballing reasons. If £40k is a very good wage to make him stay then surely £40k more is a very good wage to make him want to leave?! (Assuming the figures quoted are correct) To make him stay at his boyhood club, his hometown city, yes. To make him leave for a club arguably as fucked up as we are, no. £40k a week he was earning? At the club of his dreams. FORTY THOUSAND POUNDS A WEEK. Short career or not, that's a fucking gigantic sum of money, and surely he was doing his absolute dream job too? If his motivation to leave us was for more money at Liverpool rather than 10 years wearing the #9 for us, well fuck him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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