ads Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 It's clear Ashley wanted: the money from the transfer > Andy Carroll. He just could have offered Andy Carroll an improved contract and he still would have been here. Fucking sick to death of people saying things like this like. He was earning a very good wage, and would have earned at least that for the next 5 1/2 years, playing for his boyhood club, wearing the 'famous' number 9 shirt that he dreamt about wearing, playing in front of 50,000 adoring fans every home game. For a geordie lad, that surely has to be worth more than a bigger pay packet somewhere else. He wasn't earning a fucking pittance here for christ sake. Whether it was him, his agent or Ashley and Llambias it was all done out of fucking greed, not for footballing reasons. If £40k is a very good wage to make him stay then surely £40k more is a very good wage to make him want to leave?! (Assuming the figures quoted are correct) To make him stay at his boyhood club, his hometown city, yes. To make him leave for a club arguably as fucked up as we are, no. £40k a week he was earning? At the club of his dreams. FORTY THOUSAND POUNDS A WEEK. Short career or not, that's a fucking gigantic sum of money, and surely he was doing his absolute dream job too? If his motivation to leave us was for more money at Liverpool rather than 10 years wearing the #9 for us, well fuck him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanSkÃrare Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 I'm not sure exactly why, but I'm not that pissed off with Carroll. It seems Ashley and Llambias got the ball rolling on this one and eventually led him to leave the club. I don't think he deserves all the shit that is thrown at him, even though it's questionable when a player who supposedly had such affection for the club couldn't wait four months for a new contract. Hope we bring him back someday. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpal78 Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Dalglish: "Andy Carroll has a bit of a knock and is probably a few wks away from playing, but the signing wasn't made to cover a few wks" http://www.bootcampking.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/NoShitSherlock.jpg I suppose it does at least put paid to the conspiracy theory, hinted at by True Faith and others, about Carroll not really being injured and simply being kept fresh for a high value sale on 31st January. Wait it's not the end of the conspiracy theory yet! Fat Mike had a clause in the deal that prohibited Liverpool from playing Carroll in the next few weeks and where Dalglish had to go on record saying that Carroll is indeed injured so that Ashley would not be accused of orchestrating the whole deal including the injury part Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Remember reading in SBR's book that it was standard procedure to "adjust" a players wages if a bid is rejected from another club to compensate for what the player might have earned at the new club - looks like another case of Ashley and co not understanding football! Having said that if you look at the names that Carroll is alongside in the highest transfers fees list you can empathise with the club a little bit; +£35m is a huge number, if only the equation was as simple as this, i'd rather have £35m invested in the squad with no Carroll than having the current squad with Carroll. Interesting that is. According to a few on here thats completely ridiculous Carrol is allowed to ask for more. MA is allowed to say no. You obviously don't get the point. What exactly is the point here? That because Liverpool made a ludicrous bid Mike Ashley should instantly rush to treble AC's wages. Thats a f***ing daft point tbf. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 The thing is, there's no such thing as the market value of a footballer, so there's no reason NUFC should always up a players wages to what he would have earned elsewhere. They have to manage the finances of the club in the best interests of everyone, based on their strategy. The other thing is we are not in Europe like Liverpool or Spurs so we don't have the resources to pay daft wages at this time. It's a shame Carroll couldn't wait and be part of the team that got us back into Europe rather than run to Anfield for the money. But understandable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxfree Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Hope we bring him back someday. Agree Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 You would think some of our fans would know better about putting players on stupid wages after the financial mess it put us in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Hope we bring him back someday. Agree Why? He's run off to join a rival for a massive pay rise. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Shaun Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 You would think some of our fans would know better about putting players on stupid wages after the financial mess it put us in. They couldn't care less. Not their money. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fredbob Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Remember reading in SBR's book that it was standard procedure to "adjust" a players wages if a bid is rejected from another club to compensate for what the player might have earned at the new club. Standard procedure under a regime that had no control over its spending. As I said before, it's fair enough for Carroll to use this rival offer to attempt to get a pay rise from NUFC (I've done that myself at work). But Ashley is well within his rights to tell him to bugger off. Sooo both parties were right to act the way they did?! As far as I'm concerned, the ettquette of wanting to be compensated slightly for potential loss of earnings wasn't exclusive to Newcastle United c/o Shepherd, to suggest otherwise is madness. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 It's clear Ashley wanted: the money from the transfer > Andy Carroll. He just could have offered Andy Carroll an improved contract and he still would have been here. f***ing sick to death of people saying things like this. He was earning a very good wage, and would have earned at least that for the next 5 1/2 years, playing for his boyhood club, wearing the 'famous' number 9 shirt that he dreamt about wearing, playing in front of 50,000 adoring fans every home game. For a geordie lad, that surely has to be worth more than a bigger pay packet somewhere else. He wasn't earning a f***ing pittance here for christ sake. Whether it was him, his agent or Ashley and Llambias it was all done out of f***ing greed, not for footballing reasons. Agree with you. There no doubt that it was for money reasons he left. Remember reading in SBR's book that it was standard procedure to "adjust" a players wages if a bid is rejected from another club to compensate for what the player might have earned at the new club - looks like another case of Ashley and co not understanding football! Having said that if you look at the names that Carroll is alongside in the highest transfers fees list you can empathise with the club a little bit; +£35m is a huge number, if only the equation was as simple as this, i'd rather have £35m invested in the squad with no Carroll than having the current squad with Carroll. Interesting that is. According to a few on here thats completely ridiculous No not a thumb up. I bet Sir Bobby when he said that didn't consider a playing that had just signed a new contract. Come on, otherwise the whole system would just crash and inflation would be above a realistic level. I mean what if a club had offered £15 million for Andy, and told him he would earn £300k pw? Would we have had to reconsider his newly signed contract? No, its all just wrong. He left for money, he lied to everyone and that's it. Move forward, he's gone and he won't be back. Saying that this or that would've changed is wrong. The club backed him just like they backed Joey Barton during difficult times. He was given bail on the condition he lived with Kevin Nolan who took him home, Nolan hade to see Carrolls car vandalized in his runway where small children are living. Nolan, us we all defended the guy and he now leaves. The best Carroll could do was shut his mouth, no one cares. In the end it was up to him, he had a contract and could've stayed whether people 'forced' him out it was obligatory for him to leave. You guys can keep on worshipping, but he betrayed us no matter what and he should never be allowed to return to this club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
quayside Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Dalglish: "Andy Carroll has a bit of a knock and is probably a few wks away from playing, but the signing wasn't made to cover a few wks" http://www.bootcampking.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/NoShitSherlock.jpg I suppose it does at least put paid to the conspiracy theory, hinted at by True Faith and others, about Carroll not really being injured and simply being kept fresh for a high value sale on 31st January. Wait it's not the end of the conspiracy theory yet! Fat Mike had a clause in the deal that prohibited Liverpool from playing Carroll in the next few weeks and where Dalglish had to go on record saying that Carroll is indeed injured so that Ashley would be accused of orchestrating the whole deal including the injury part Of course. How could I fail to see through that Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Village Idiot Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 You would think some of our fans would know better about putting players on stupid wages after the financial mess it put us in. And it's not Carroll alone. Other players might feel they deserve better wages after seeing this happening. Why would Barton agree to lower his salary after performing so well when you're raising Carroll's twice in a season? Or José Enrique will want a raise too when extending his contract. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Carroll for me, has shown that his main aim is about how much is in his back pocket and not about playing for NUFC which should be number 1 especially for a local lad. He deserves shooting as well for listening to his agent as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ads Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Hope we bring him back someday. Agree Why? He's run off to join a rival for a massive pay rise. Indeed. Shay Given jumped ship and I'm pretty sure nobody would want him back here. He also showed a great deal more loyalty than Carroll did. Also Given fucked off when we were in a worse situation than we are now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Hope we bring him back someday. Agree Why? He's run off to join a rival for a massive pay rise. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 And it's not Carroll alone. Other players might feel they deserve better wages after seeing this happening. Why would Barton agree to lower his salary after performing so well when you're raising Carroll's twice in a season? Or José Enrique will want a raise too when extending his contract. Aren't Barca facing a problem with Dani Alves trying to hold the club to ransom Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdm Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 so the club were gonna renew his contract in the summer anyway? but he wanted it now Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Hope we bring him back someday. Agree Why? He's run off to join a rival for a massive pay rise. Rivals who we could be in a position to replace in Europe if he'd not jumped ship for a few dollars more. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Remember reading in SBR's book that it was standard procedure to "adjust" a players wages if a bid is rejected from another club to compensate for what the player might have earned at the new club. Standard procedure under a regime that had no control over its spending. As I said before, it's fair enough for Carroll to use this rival offer to attempt to get a pay rise from NUFC (I've done that myself at work). But Ashley is well within his rights to tell him to bugger off. Sooo both parties were right to act the way they did?! As far as I'm concerned, the ettquette of wanting to be compensated slightly for potential loss of earnings wasn't exclusive to Newcastle United c/o Shepherd, to suggest otherwise is madness. Not taking another job isn't 'loss of earnings'. It's just earning less than you might earn elsewhere, your current employer has no obligation to compensate you for that, if they believe your current deal is fair or the most they can afford. Yes, both parties were 'right' in a way, I just feel let down by Carroll because I believed NUFC meant more than money to him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Village Idiot Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Carroll for me, has shown that his main aim is about how much is in his back pocket and not about playing for NUFC which should be number 1 especially for a local lad. He deserves shooting as well for listening to his agent as well. I'm under no illusions anymore regarding football. Pretty damn sure our local lads would poof off somewhere else if we couldn't pay them €6m a year like we do. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fredbob Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Remember reading in SBR's book that it was standard procedure to "adjust" a players wages if a bid is rejected from another club to compensate for what the player might have earned at the new club - looks like another case of Ashley and co not understanding football! Having said that if you look at the names that Carroll is alongside in the highest transfers fees list you can empathise with the club a little bit; +£35m is a huge number, if only the equation was as simple as this, i'd rather have £35m invested in the squad with no Carroll than having the current squad with Carroll. Interesting that is. According to a few on here thats completely ridiculous Carrol is allowed to ask for more. MA is allowed to say no. Two things - the first thing is that I read it as a case of ettiqutte rather than any written law to adjust the wages, and the second thing is that Carroll is well within his rights to seek a higher wage at another club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Carroll for me, has shown that his main aim is about how much is in his back pocket and not about playing for NUFC which should be number 1 especially for a local lad. He deserves shooting as well for listening to his agent as well. I'm no under illusions anymore regarding football. Pretty damn sure our local lads would poof off somewhere else if we couldn't pay them €6m a year like we do. Agree with you 100% after all of this. I shall never trust what a player spouts through their gob ever again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Village Idiot Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 And it's not Carroll alone. Other players might feel they deserve better wages after seeing this happening. Why would Barton agree to lower his salary after performing so well when you're raising Carroll's twice in a season? Or José Enrique will want a raise too when extending his contract. Aren't Barca facing a problem with Dani Alves trying to hold the club to ransom Aye, and I back the board on this, as much as I'd HATE losing Dani. But we can't pay a defender €8m per year. What would Piqué or Puyol think? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Carroll for me, has shown that his main aim is about how much is in his back pocket and not about playing for NUFC which should be number 1 especially for a local lad. He deserves shooting as well for listening to his agent as well. I'm no under illusions anymore regarding football. Pretty damn sure our local lads would poof off somewhere else if we couldn't pay them €6m a year like we do. Agree with you 100% after all of this. I shall never trust what a player spouts through their gob ever again. Same, actually I'm quite a lot less interested in football after this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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