Ash Posted December 28, 2008 Share Posted December 28, 2008 The way Liverpool line up with the two holding players allowing Gerrard to play a free role is really impressive. They found so much space today it was unreal (fair enough, they were only up against Nicky Butt, still impressive though). If we could make the right types of signings in January/the summer along with some of the players we currently have at the club, could we make it work? Would it work better with or without Owen? Would Jonas work well in the free role? This season: Guthrie - New player Jonas - Owen - N'Zogbia Martins Next season: Barton/New player - Barton/New player Jonas/Barton?/New player - Jonas/New player - N'Zogbia Martins One of our major weaknesses as a team, probably the biggest in fact, is our complete lack of movement. I think this could solve that problem with a couple of new signings. I really like this system and think if we could find the right types of players to play the roles requried (the free role arguably the most important) it could be very effective for us. I think Barton would suit this style of formation, as would Jonas as he could drift inside if playing on the right of the attacking three, or roaming if he was given the central role of the three. Guthrie would also provide good back-up for the holding role. Another option could be to push Coloccini up as a holding man if we could bring in another quality centre back. Another key question is who could we realistically sign to fill the void postions? Inler is someone we've been linked with a fair bit and would do a good job. Anybody else like this formation/think we could make it work? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash Posted December 29, 2008 Share Posted December 29, 2008 Just me then. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syrette Posted December 29, 2008 Share Posted December 29, 2008 I've heard strong rumours about Arsenal being after Inler again, especially since Fabregas got injured. Has Jonas got enough of a fairly consistent end product to be given such a central role? I agree that having someone like him playing more centrally would help create more space as he's obviously more mobile than the likes of Butt. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cp40 Posted December 29, 2008 Share Posted December 29, 2008 i have a feeling liverpools sucess is based on a far simpler system,.... do not appoint a person like Dennis Wise to undermine the manager= successful manager. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted December 29, 2008 Share Posted December 29, 2008 i have a feeling liverpools sucess is based on a far simpler system,.... do not appoint a person like Dennis Wise to undermine the manager= successful manager. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LucaAltieri Posted December 29, 2008 Share Posted December 29, 2008 1) It would require too many new players to implement. 2) Jonas isn't really deadly enough for a free role. While he is tidy through the middle he has shown himself to be more effective wide-left than anywhere else. If we were to put someone in the Gerrard role then the most similar player we have is Barton. 3) Martins isn't clinical enough to pull-off the loan striker role. We benefit by having him on the pitch in the way he can get in behind the back line but he's not someone you would want to rely on as a loan goal scorer. 4) We lack the creativity in midfield to really pick out the key players when moving forward. In short, there are just too many changes we would need to make. Far more than 1 summer's work. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Geordiecunny Posted December 29, 2008 Share Posted December 29, 2008 I agree we lack movement. Thats why Jonas looks so bloody out of place and has to try and do everything. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sicko2ndbest Posted December 29, 2008 Share Posted December 29, 2008 If you looked at Liverpool yesterday, not only were they better players, but, they were better physical specimens. Carragher - Strong and tenacious, not many get the better of him 6' Agger - Big, strong, quick 6'1 Hyypia - Big Strong 6'4 Insua - Strong, quick 5'9 Masch - Strong, quick 5'9 Gerrard - Everything 6' Lucas - Only 'weak' player 6' Babel - Powerful, quick 6' Kuyt - Strong 6' Benayoun - Quick 5'11 Apart from Jonas, Colo, Tayls and Edgar the rest of the team was 5'8 ish. I am not the tallest myself, and are frustrated to see team like Stoke and Bolton fill their sides with monsters, as i do not think that is what football should be about, but we need to get a balance. We desperately need some height in the middle of the park and we definately need a big powerful forward Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cp40 Posted December 29, 2008 Share Posted December 29, 2008 i have a feeling liverpools sucess is based on a far simpler system,.... do not appoint a person like Dennis Wise to undermine the manager= successful manager. you can do better than that towlie Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol Posted December 29, 2008 Share Posted December 29, 2008 Stick Gerrard in our team and automatically improve. Playing their system with our players would be just as bad as "our" system. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Alan Shearer 9 Posted December 29, 2008 Share Posted December 29, 2008 We flattered them massively with how shit we were. They struggled against Hull ffs. The quality of the league this year has been shit,which is lucky for us in a way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted December 29, 2008 Share Posted December 29, 2008 Liverpool's system isn't that complicated. They have good players at their peak who can run for 90 mins. I'm sure if we had a bigger squad with players of that description we'd look a lot better too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted December 30, 2008 Share Posted December 30, 2008 i have a feeling liverpools sucess is based on a far simpler system,.... do not appoint a person like Dennis Wise to undermine the manager= successful manager. you can do better than that towlie Don't really think I have to, tbh. This thread isn't about the board in any way, so just rolling my eyes at someone bringing it up is good enough for me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liam Liam Liam O Posted December 30, 2008 Share Posted December 30, 2008 If you looked at Liverpool yesterday, not only were they better players, but, they were better physical specimens. Carragher - Strong and tenacious, not many get the better of him 6' Agger - Big, strong, quick 6'1 Hyypia - Big Strong 6'4 Insua - Strong, quick 5'9 Masch - Strong, quick 5'9 Gerrard - Everything 6' Lucas - Only 'weak' player 6' Babel - Powerful, quick 6' Kuyt - Strong 6' Benayoun - Quick 5'11 Apart from Jonas, Colo, Tayls and Edgar the rest of the team was 5'8 ish. I am not the tallest myself, and are frustrated to see team like Stoke and Bolton fill their sides with monsters, as i do not think that is what football should be about, but we need to get a balance. We desperately need some height in the middle of the park and we definately need a big powerful forward I was pretty impressed with Lucas yesterday in terms of his strength & ability to break things up??? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cp40 Posted December 30, 2008 Share Posted December 30, 2008 i have a feeling liverpools sucess is based on a far simpler system,.... do not appoint a person like Dennis Wise to undermine the manager= successful manager. you can do better than that towlie Don't really think I have to, tbh. This thread isn't about the board in any way, so just rolling my eyes at someone bringing it up is good enough for me. the board have nowt to do with the Fact Liverpools system saw them slaughter us?, i disagree, i think the board are totally responsible. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beezeri Posted December 30, 2008 Share Posted December 30, 2008 Has Jonas got enough of a fairly consistent end product to be given such a central role? I agree that having someone like him playing more centrally would help create more space as he's obviously more mobile than the likes of Butt. Jonas definitely has more than enough of flair and creativity to play in the central role but I think he's more of a winger type. He's just not strong enough to play in the middle IMO Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syrette Posted December 30, 2008 Share Posted December 30, 2008 Has Jonas got enough of a fairly consistent end product to be given such a central role? I agree that having someone like him playing more centrally would help create more space as he's obviously more mobile than the likes of Butt. Jonas definitely has more than enough of flair and creativity to play in the central role but I think he's more of a winger type. He's just not strong enough to play in the middle IMO I agree, but I'm not sure he has enough of an end product to play such a vital role. I agree he's probably most comfortable out on the wing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Brazilianbob Posted December 30, 2008 Share Posted December 30, 2008 Has Jonas got enough of a fairly consistent end product to be given such a central role? I agree that having someone like him playing more centrally would help create more space as he's obviously more mobile than the likes of Butt. Jonas definitely has more than enough of flair and creativity to play in the central role but I think he's more of a winger type. He's just not strong enough to play in the middle IMO I agree, but I'm not sure he has enough of an end product to play such a vital role. I agree he's probably most comfortable out on the wing. Argentina see him as a left full back, but that just goes to highlight our deficiencies in midfield, that an international left full back is our best wide right midfield player Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Posted December 30, 2008 Share Posted December 30, 2008 Has Jonas got enough of a fairly consistent end product to be given such a central role? I agree that having someone like him playing more centrally would help create more space as he's obviously more mobile than the likes of Butt. Jonas definitely has more than enough of flair and creativity to play in the central role but I think he's more of a winger type. He's just not strong enough to play in the middle IMO I agree, but I'm not sure he has enough of an end product to play such a vital role. I agree he's probably most comfortable out on the wing. Argentina see him as a left full back, but that just goes to highlight our deficiencies in midfield, that an international left full back is our best wide right midfield player Bollocks do they. They've used him as a more defensive left midfielder to allow their other attacking players free reign but full back? No. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thespence Posted December 30, 2008 Share Posted December 30, 2008 Were we not playing a similar system with Duff being our Stevie G. You can see why Liverpool were willing to sell Guthrie he must of been there 9th choice CM/DM Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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