quayside Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 I hope Keegan gets every single penny that he has claimed for even if it turns out he was in the wrong ? If he is worng he wont get a penny. well dah! i was replying to ahmed hope that he gets every penny he's claimed for without actually knowing what went on. we should have a sweep as to what people think will be the result. i'm going for keegan to be awarded a sum but nowhere near the ammount he's claiming. And us never to find out the whole truth. Seems the most likely outcome. aye. my hopes were dashed as soon as i found out it was going to an arbitration panel and not a court of law. There still seem to be plenty of people amongst our fanbase who have already decided that the case will be decided on the premise that Ashley is a fat Cockney tosser and Keegan is a Toon legend. Therefore its a nailed on massive victory for KK. We know very little of the contracts or any of the facts really. I have had some experience of constructive dismissal and it is very hard to prove. Employers have successfully defended claims like this by saying that they had to take certain actions in the commercial and financial interests of the business and, as such, couldn't honour clauses in the employee's contract. And none of us even knows if there were any clauses in Keegan's contract that were breached here. If it's true that Keegan had a £2 million penalty clause in his contract for a walkout it's quite possible that he is the party who has to come up with a decent defence and not the club. so after reading that it could happen that keegan could be broadly in the right but could still get found against ? Possibly. And Keegan could lose his case and the club win theirs, so Keegan has to cough up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 I hope Keegan gets every single penny that he has claimed for even if it turns out he was in the wrong ? If he is worng he wont get a penny. well dah! i was replying to ahmed hope that he gets every penny he's claimed for without actually knowing what went on. we should have a sweep as to what people think will be the result. i'm going for keegan to be awarded a sum but nowhere near the ammount he's claiming. And us never to find out the whole truth. Seems the most likely outcome. aye. my hopes were dashed as soon as i found out it was going to an arbitration panel and not a court of law. There still seem to be plenty of people amongst our fanbase who have already decided that the case will be decided on the premise that Ashley is a fat Cockney tosser and Keegan is a Toon legend. Therefore its a nailed on massive victory for KK. We know very little of the contracts or any of the facts really. I have had some experience of constructive dismissal and it is very hard to prove. Employers have successfully defended claims like this by saying that they had to take certain actions in the commercial and financial interests of the business and, as such, couldn't honour clauses in the employee's contract. And none of us even knows if there were any clauses in Keegan's contract that were breached here. If it's true that Keegan had a £2 million penalty clause in his contract for a walkout it's quite possible that he is the party who has to come up with a decent defence and not the club. so after reading that it could happen that keegan could be broadly in the right but could still get found against ? Possibly. And Keegan could lose his case and the club win theirs, so Keegan has to cough up. so quite probably we'll never find out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liam Liam Liam O Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 I hope Keegan gets every single penny that he has claimed for even if it turns out he was in the wrong ? If he is worng he wont get a penny. well dah! i was replying to ahmed hope that he gets every penny he's claimed for without actually knowing what went on. we should have a sweep as to what people think will be the result. i'm going for keegan to be awarded a sum but nowhere near the ammount he's claiming. And us never to find out the whole truth. Seems the most likely outcome. aye. my hopes were dashed as soon as i found out it was going to an arbitration panel and not a court of law. We'll just have to wait for Keegan's next book. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 I hope Keegan gets every single penny that he has claimed for even if it turns out he was in the wrong ? If he is worng he wont get a penny. well dah! i was replying to ahmed hope that he gets every penny he's claimed for without actually knowing what went on. we should have a sweep as to what people think will be the result. i'm going for keegan to be awarded a sum but nowhere near the ammount he's claiming. And us never to find out the whole truth. Seems the most likely outcome. aye. my hopes were dashed as soon as i found out it was going to an arbitration panel and not a court of law. We'll just have to wait for Keegan's next book. tbf although i rate him as a manager, even though i'd say past his best i don't particularly trust him Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
UV Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 I hope Keegan gets every single penny that he has claimed for even if it turns out he was in the wrong ? If he is worng he wont get a penny. well dah! i was replying to ahmed hope that he gets every penny he's claimed for without actually knowing what went on. we should have a sweep as to what people think will be the result. i'm going for keegan to be awarded a sum but nowhere near the ammount he's claiming. And us never to find out the whole truth. Seems the most likely outcome. aye. my hopes were dashed as soon as i found out it was going to an arbitration panel and not a court of law. So I assume you'll never be able to have an opinion on the subject. End of thread for you I guess. Keegan is a leech,deserves nowt. Is he heck a leech The guy never claimed a single penny from his previous jobs - instead he chose to walk away, a leech would have hung on until he was sacked (especially in the case of the England job) The problem is that Keegan has integrity and honesty in abundance - something that is severely lacking in football today i'd rather he stayed until he was sacked rather than just quitting for no reason. he only took the job to pay his debts. his behaviour and this lawsuit proves it. (if you can turn speculation into fact then so can i) He would never have been sacked. He was appointed to be a figurehead, putting a fan friendly face on Ashley's non-investment and taking the blame for poor results. Ashley would of course magnanimously let the fans hero carry on as "manager" despite his poor results with the brilliant squad of players assembled by Dennis. He could of course have carried on futilely in the job, collecting his paycheck rather than risk being sued for £2m by the club as he is now (he was only in it for the money you know). If Keegan wins £8m or whatever, does anyone seriously think that £8m would have otherwise been spent by Ashley on the club? If Keegan loses and the club gets £2m off him does anyone seriously think that £2m will go into the transfer kitty Win or lose, under Ashley it will make fuck all difference to the money we spend on the squad. All it will change is the price he will get when/if he ever sells up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest The Libertine Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 He would never have been sacked. He was appointed to be a figurehead, putting a fan friendly face on Ashley's non-investment and taking the blame for poor results. Ashley would of course magnanimously let the fans hero carry on as "manager" despite his poor results with the brilliant squad of players assembled by Dennis. He could of course have carried on futilely in the job, collecting his paycheck rather than risk being sued for £2m by the club as he is now (he was only in it for the money you know). If Keegan wins £8m or whatever, does anyone seriously think that £8m would have otherwise been spent by Ashley on the club? If Keegan loses and the club gets £2m off him does anyone seriously think that £2m will go into the transfer kitty Win or lose, under Ashley it will make fuck all difference to the money we spend on the squad. All it will change is the price he will get when/if he ever sells up. you missed the last line of my post. and the gist of that last part is "the financially crippled club doesnt need the money"? the only way WE as fans and as a club win is if keegan loses. thats probably the only fact in this whole thread. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 No, we win either way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest The Libertine Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 No, we win either way. how? if keegan wins, the club (bigger than keegan remember) doesnt benefit at all. we get X million further in the red. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 No, we win either way. how? if keegan wins, the club (bigger than keegan remember) doesnt benefit at all. we get X million further in the red. Like we would ever see that 10 million anyway, and if KK does win the truth is OUT once and for all. Yet another NAIL in Ashleys coffin. If Ashley wins and KK is proven to be a cunt (which i dont think he will) It finally gets rid of the monkey off the cubs back with the fans and the club doesnt lose 10 mil or whatever. Not that the club would ever see that money. See our last few transfer windows for proof. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 No, we win either way. how? if keegan wins, the club (bigger than keegan remember) doesnt benefit at all. we get X million further in the red. Like we would ever see that 10 million anyway, and if KK does win the truth is OUT once and for all. Yet another NAIL in Ashleys coffin. If Ashley wins and KK is proven to be a c*** (which i dont think he will) It finally gets rid of the monkey off the cubs back with the fans and the club doesnt lose 10 mil or whatever. Not that the club would ever see that money. See our last few transfer windows for proof. it's not so m uch that we'd ever see it,more so that any buyer would possibly have to find another 10mill to takeover the club as ashley would be unlikely to pay keegan himself. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 No, we win either way. how? if keegan wins, the club (bigger than keegan remember) doesnt benefit at all. we get X million further in the red. Like we would ever see that 10 million anyway, and if KK does win the truth is OUT once and for all. Yet another NAIL in Ashleys coffin. If Ashley wins and KK is proven to be a c*** (which i dont think he will) It finally gets rid of the monkey off the cubs back with the fans and the club doesnt lose 10 mil or whatever. Not that the club would ever see that money. See our last few transfer windows for proof. it's not so m uch that we'd ever see it,more so that any buyer would possibly have to find another 10mill to takeover the club as ashley would be unlikely to pay keegan himself. I presonally think and this is just me, if fat git sold the club during this court case and then left quickly. I think KK would trike a deal with the new owners, KKs gripe is with Ashley, Llambias, wise and his other bitches. It just so happens these bastards were running the club at the time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
UV Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 No, we win either way. how? if keegan wins, the club (bigger than keegan remember) doesnt benefit at all. we get X million further in the red. Like we would ever see that 10 million anyway, and if KK does win the truth is OUT once and for all. Yet another NAIL in Ashleys coffin. If Ashley wins and KK is proven to be a c*** (which i dont think he will) It finally gets rid of the monkey off the cubs back with the fans and the club doesnt lose 10 mil or whatever. Not that the club would ever see that money. See our last few transfer windows for proof. it's not so m uch that we'd ever see it,more so that any buyer would possibly have to find another 10mill to takeover the club as ashley would be unlikely to pay keegan himself. No, Ashley would have to accept £10m less. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest The Libertine Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 If THE CLUB wins It finally gets rid of the monkey off the cubs back with the fans and the club doesnt lose 10 mil or whatever. i've filtered out the childish shit so we're left with common sense. with a major edit of course. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
UV Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 No, we win either way. how? if keegan wins, the club (bigger than keegan remember) doesnt benefit at all. we get X million further in the red. Like we would ever see that 10 million anyway, and if KK does win the truth is OUT once and for all. Yet another NAIL in Ashleys coffin. If Ashley wins and KK is proven to be a c*** (which i dont think he will) It finally gets rid of the monkey off the cubs back with the fans and the club doesnt lose 10 mil or whatever. Not that the club would ever see that money. See our last few transfer windows for proof. it's not so m uch that we'd ever see it,more so that any buyer would possibly have to find another 10mill to takeover the club as ashley would be unlikely to pay keegan himself. No, Ashley would have to accept £10m less if he really wants to sell. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 No, we win either way. how? if keegan wins, the club (bigger than keegan remember) doesnt benefit at all. we get X million further in the red. Like we would ever see that 10 million anyway, and if KK does win the truth is OUT once and for all. Yet another NAIL in Ashleys coffin. If Ashley wins and KK is proven to be a c*** (which i dont think he will) It finally gets rid of the monkey off the cubs back with the fans and the club doesnt lose 10 mil or whatever. Not that the club would ever see that money. See our last few transfer windows for proof. it's not so m uch that we'd ever see it,more so that any buyer would possibly have to find another 10mill to takeover the club as ashley would be unlikely to pay keegan himself. No, Ashley would have to accept £10m less. thats why we've sold so quickly already. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
UV Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 thats why we've sold so quickly already. Sorry, I edited in a condition. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
UV Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 No, we win either way. how? if keegan wins, the club (bigger than keegan remember) doesnt benefit at all. we get X million further in the red. Like we would ever see that 10 million anyway, and if KK does win the truth is OUT once and for all. Yet another NAIL in Ashleys coffin. If Ashley wins and KK is proven to be a c*** (which i dont think he will) It finally gets rid of the monkey off the cubs back with the fans and the club doesnt lose 10 mil or whatever. Not that the club would ever see that money. See our last few transfer windows for proof. it's not so m uch that we'd ever see it,more so that any buyer would possibly have to find another 10mill to takeover the club as ashley would be unlikely to pay keegan himself. I presonally think and this is just me, if fat git sold the club during this court case and then left quickly. I think KK would trike a deal with the new owners, KKs gripe is with Ashley, Llambias, wise and his other bitches. It just so happens these bastards were running the club at the time. I personally think Keegan's claim is only a bargaining chip to try and get the club to drop it's claim against him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 If THE CLUB wins It finally gets rid of the monkey off the cubs back with the fans and the club doesnt lose 10 mil or whatever. i've filtered out the childish s*** so we're left with common sense. with a major edit of course. Ha ha, its KK V Ashley and his wankers crew. The club cant run without the people who manage it. His gripe is with the owner and the decision makers. We'll soon find out anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 Give KK the club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
relámpago blanco Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 Give KK the club. He couldn't even run a circus man. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 Give KK the club. Well if Ashley hangs round any longer it might only be worth 10 mil anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cp40 Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 fuck work, im missing all the fun. id have put you lot right this morning. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest The Libertine Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 If THE CLUB wins It finally gets rid of the monkey off the cubs back with the fans and the club doesnt lose 10 mil or whatever. i've filtered out the childish s*** so we're left with common sense. with a major edit of course. Ha ha, its KK V Ashley and his wankers crew. The club cant run without the people who manage it. His gripe is with the owner and the decision makers. We'll soon find out anyway. even though he's suing the club? ashley wont be paying any money to keegan, the club will. so its keegan vs the club (and keegan vs the fans to a very, very large extent). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
UV Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 Give KK the club. To be fair, with it's current liabilities it's only worth about £10m (Sunderland went for around £16m with £35-£40m debt). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cp40 Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 If THE CLUB wins It finally gets rid of the monkey off the cubs back with the fans and the club doesnt lose 10 mil or whatever. i've filtered out the childish s*** so we're left with common sense. with a major edit of course. Ha ha, its KK V Ashley and his wankers crew. The club cant run without the people who manage it. His gripe is with the owner and the decision makers. We'll soon find out anyway. even though he's suing the club? ashley wont be paying any money to keegan, the club will. so its keegan vs the club (and keegan vs the fans to a very, very large extent). Fool. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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