Syrette Posted February 11, 2009 Share Posted February 11, 2009 Sorry, what's wrong with them getting criticised? I agree that if some are bothered enough about them, and live locally, then they should attend a meet or two and get their voices heard. A lot of us just aren't that fussed, yet we still get condescending remarks made to us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Posted February 11, 2009 Share Posted February 11, 2009 seems they've lost the backing of several influential initial supporters....through their actions and style "seems the fans have voted with their feet" so the project is "dead in the water" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OzzieMandias Posted February 11, 2009 Share Posted February 11, 2009 I don't know man.. I'm far away from things and it's hard for me to form an opinion one way or the other. I just feel that it's strange how nobody's happy with the way the club's being run, yet there's absolutely no sympathy for the people who are actually trying to do something about it. "Doing something" is not, in itself, necessarily constructive. The people who come out with this one are invariably those who think that what they're doing is the right thing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted February 11, 2009 Share Posted February 11, 2009 Sorry, what's wrong with them getting criticised? I agree that if some are bothered enough about them, and live locally, then they should attend a meet or two and get their voices heard. Some people on here ARE local enough, but prefer to spout off anonymously on here about them being wankers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syrette Posted February 11, 2009 Share Posted February 11, 2009 Sorry, what's wrong with them getting criticised? I agree that if some are bothered enough about them, and live locally, then they should attend a meet or two and get their voices heard. Some people on here ARE local enough, but prefer to spout off anonymously on here about them being wankers. I guess it depends on how bothered they are then. You'd need a fair amount of enthusiasm for what you believe in if you wanted to criticise their methods in front of hundreds of their members. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted February 11, 2009 Share Posted February 11, 2009 yet there's absolutely no sympathy for the people who are actually trying to do something about it. There's plenty of it going around. Most people support the idea of the supporter's club, they just think this particular one are going about it in the wrong way. And are clearly happier sitting at their computers slagging them off than being arsed enough to actually attend and make themselves heard. What is the point of going to the meetings? I don't see what they can realistically achieve and I don't share their aims of getting Ashley out by agitating. If they have a realistic proposal for increasing investment in the playing squad I'd probably be more arsed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted February 11, 2009 Share Posted February 11, 2009 Sorry, what's wrong with them getting criticised? I agree that if some are bothered enough about them, and live locally, then they should attend a meet or two and get their voices heard. Some people on here ARE local enough, but prefer to spout off anonymously on here about them being wankers. I guess it depends on how bothered they are then. You'd need a fair amount of enthusiasm for what you believe in if you wanted to criticise their methods in front of hundreds of their members. No, you'd just need some balls and belief in your convictions. As I said though, much easier to post on here instead. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
UV Posted February 11, 2009 Share Posted February 11, 2009 I don't know man.. I'm far away from things and it's hard for me to form an opinion one way or the other. I just feel that it's strange how nobody's happy with the way the club's being run, yet there's absolutely no sympathy for the people who are actually trying to do something about it. "Doing something" is not, in itself, necessarily constructive. The people who come out with this one are invariably those who think that what they're doing is the right thing. Doing absolutely nothing will merely encourage those in control to carry on with the current way things are being run. The people who say nothing should be done, or that doing something will be harmful to the club are invariably those who are happy with the status quo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest thenorthumbrian Posted February 11, 2009 Share Posted February 11, 2009 Why would they talk to them when they plan protests against them. I'm starting to side more with Ashley and Llambias tbh, these bunch of jokers make us look like pricks, fi they did it in the right way (listening to what other fans sa) I'd support them and if a protest was needed I would join in. T hey are so far up there own arse its untrue, one of them tried to give me a flyer at a game and I said was aware of them but wasn't interested, then about 4 others came over and started giving me abuse calling me a mackem and said I wasn't fit to wear the shirt and that people like me shouldn't be allowed in to watch the matches. This is one of the reasons I hate the idiots so much, in retrospect I should have decked them all but was in a rush. They do listen to fans thats why they have public meetings to which everyone is invited. The last part of your post seems a bit far fetched. Well its not they are a bunch of twats. I know someone else who they offered one to and he said no and they said something like not a toon fan eh? You seem to be easily offended for someone calling a group of people a bunch of twats. I wasn't offended really, I just thought what the hell are they on about then became slightly angry, are you in NUSC? No I am not a member of NUSC but that doesn't mean that they are not entitled to organise and campaign for what they believe in without getting abuse on here from other Toon fans. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven Posted February 11, 2009 Share Posted February 11, 2009 Sorry, what's wrong with them getting criticised? I agree that if some are bothered enough about them, and live locally, then they should attend a meet or two and get their voices heard. Some people on here ARE local enough, but prefer to spout off anonymously on here about them being wankers. Going to the next BNP meeting to express your disagreement? Signing up to the Tory party to get them to dig socialism a bit more? etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven Posted February 11, 2009 Share Posted February 11, 2009 I don't know man.. I'm far away from things and it's hard for me to form an opinion one way or the other. I just feel that it's strange how nobody's happy with the way the club's being run, yet there's absolutely no sympathy for the people who are actually trying to do something about it. "Doing something" is not, in itself, necessarily constructive. The people who come out with this one are invariably those who think that what they're doing is the right thing. Doing absolutely nothing will merely encourage those in control to carry on with the current way things are being run. The people who say nothing should be done, or that doing something will be harmful to the club are invariably those who are happy with the status quo. Or they are just realists. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted February 11, 2009 Share Posted February 11, 2009 Sorry, what's wrong with them getting criticised? I agree that if some are bothered enough about them, and live locally, then they should attend a meet or two and get their voices heard. Some people on here ARE local enough, but prefer to spout off anonymously on here about them being wankers. Going to the next BNP meeting to express your disagreement? Signing up to the Tory party to get them to dig socialism a bit more? etc. I don't feel either of those organisations represent me or people who I associate with. Fair comment. I'm referring to those who feel the NUSC is damaging the club and are willing to do nothing about it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToonTastic Posted February 11, 2009 Share Posted February 11, 2009 Sorry, what's wrong with them getting criticised? I agree that if some are bothered enough about them, and live locally, then they should attend a meet or two and get their voices heard. Some people on here ARE local enough, but prefer to spout off anonymously on here about them being wankers. Going to the next BNP meeting to express your disagreement? Signing up to the Tory party to get them to dig socialism a bit more? etc. I don't feel either of those organisations represent me or people who I associate with. Same could be said about NUSC Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToonTastic Posted February 11, 2009 Share Posted February 11, 2009 Sorry, what's wrong with them getting criticised? I agree that if some are bothered enough about them, and live locally, then they should attend a meet or two and get their voices heard. Some people on here ARE local enough, but prefer to spout off anonymously on here about them being wankers. Going to the next BNP meeting to express your disagreement? Signing up to the Tory party to get them to dig socialism a bit more? etc. I don't feel either of those organisations represent me or people who I associate with. Fair comment. I'm referring to those who feel the NUSC is damaging the club and are willing to do nothing about it. I don't believe they are damaging the club yet, I think they are trying to make themselves out to be bigger than they are and have more control than they do without actually having any arguments for what they want to do, what there plans are on where they plan on going with it. Add on top of that the complete lack of open documentation about where the cash goes means my money is going nowhere near them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
UV Posted February 11, 2009 Share Posted February 11, 2009 I don't know man.. I'm far away from things and it's hard for me to form an opinion one way or the other. I just feel that it's strange how nobody's happy with the way the club's being run, yet there's absolutely no sympathy for the people who are actually trying to do something about it. "Doing something" is not, in itself, necessarily constructive. The people who come out with this one are invariably those who think that what they're doing is the right thing. Doing absolutely nothing will merely encourage those in control to carry on with the current way things are being run. The people who say nothing should be done, or that doing something will be harmful to the club are invariably those who are happy with the status quo. Or they are just realists. If you don't do what you can to object to something you disagree with, no matter how futile the gesture, you have no right to complain about the outcome. Ozzie on the other hand believes in positive action. The point of a campaign should be to weaken Fat Fred's position before the next approach from Belgravia or suchlike. There should be banners and chants, things people will notice on television, stuff commentators and reporters will have to mention, so that the next time even someone as shameless as he is can't chunder on about "the people of Tyneside" or the importance of having someone "who understands the club". We will have made it very clear what he's supposed to "understand". Declining attendances would also concentrate his mind wonderfully. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted February 11, 2009 Share Posted February 11, 2009 I don't know man.. I'm far away from things and it's hard for me to form an opinion one way or the other. I just feel that it's strange how nobody's happy with the way the club's being run, yet there's absolutely no sympathy for the people who are actually trying to do something about it. "Doing something" is not, in itself, necessarily constructive. The people who come out with this one are invariably those who think that what they're doing is the right thing. Doing absolutely nothing will merely encourage those in control to carry on with the current way things are being run. The people who say nothing should be done, or that doing something will be harmful to the club are invariably those who are happy with the status quo. I am not particularly happy with the status quo, but what is the point of agitating without any solution? Have the NUSC actually put forward a more effective plan than Ashley's which I can get enthusiastic about? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
UV Posted February 11, 2009 Share Posted February 11, 2009 I don't know man.. I'm far away from things and it's hard for me to form an opinion one way or the other. I just feel that it's strange how nobody's happy with the way the club's being run, yet there's absolutely no sympathy for the people who are actually trying to do something about it. "Doing something" is not, in itself, necessarily constructive. The people who come out with this one are invariably those who think that what they're doing is the right thing. Doing absolutely nothing will merely encourage those in control to carry on with the current way things are being run. The people who say nothing should be done, or that doing something will be harmful to the club are invariably those who are happy with the status quo. I am not particularly happy with the status quo, but what is the point of agitating without any solution? Have the NUSC actually put forward a more effective plan than Ashley's which I can get enthusiastic about? Protests rarely achieve their stated aims, however they are far more likely to force the institution they are protesting against into compromises than doing nothing would. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToonTastic Posted February 11, 2009 Share Posted February 11, 2009 I don't know man.. I'm far away from things and it's hard for me to form an opinion one way or the other. I just feel that it's strange how nobody's happy with the way the club's being run, yet there's absolutely no sympathy for the people who are actually trying to do something about it. "Doing something" is not, in itself, necessarily constructive. The people who come out with this one are invariably those who think that what they're doing is the right thing. Doing absolutely nothing will merely encourage those in control to carry on with the current way things are being run. The people who say nothing should be done, or that doing something will be harmful to the club are invariably those who are happy with the status quo. I am not particularly happy with the status quo, but what is the point of agitating without any solution? Have the NUSC actually put forward a more effective plan than Ashley's which I can get enthusiastic about? Protests rarely achieve their stated aims, however they are far more likely to force the institution they are protesting against into compromises than doing nothing would. Whats the compromise though. This is the problem people are asking for him to go but what do they want ?? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BottledDog Posted February 11, 2009 Share Posted February 11, 2009 I don't know man.. I'm far away from things and it's hard for me to form an opinion one way or the other. I just feel that it's strange how nobody's happy with the way the club's being run, yet there's absolutely no sympathy for the people who are actually trying to do something about it. "Doing something" is not, in itself, necessarily constructive. The people who come out with this one are invariably those who think that what they're doing is the right thing. Doing absolutely nothing will merely encourage those in control to carry on with the current way things are being run. The people who say nothing should be done, or that doing something will be harmful to the club are invariably those who are happy with the status quo. I am not particularly happy with the status quo, but what is the point of agitating without any solution? Have the NUSC actually put forward a more effective plan than Ashley's which I can get enthusiastic about? Would love to see their solution though I won't be holding my breath for anything better than holding onto the idea that some rich arab can somehow be courted. I think they would be hard pushed to come up with any plan better than the one Llambias seems to be outlining tbh. Logically it is the most sensible strategy as far as I can see, though the factor that will see it ultimately succeed or fail will be the caliber of manager on the football side we are able to secure. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted February 11, 2009 Share Posted February 11, 2009 I don't know man.. I'm far away from things and it's hard for me to form an opinion one way or the other. I just feel that it's strange how nobody's happy with the way the club's being run, yet there's absolutely no sympathy for the people who are actually trying to do something about it. "Doing something" is not, in itself, necessarily constructive. The people who come out with this one are invariably those who think that what they're doing is the right thing. Doing absolutely nothing will merely encourage those in control to carry on with the current way things are being run. The people who say nothing should be done, or that doing something will be harmful to the club are invariably those who are happy with the status quo. I am not particularly happy with the status quo, but what is the point of agitating without any solution? Have the NUSC actually put forward a more effective plan than Ashley's which I can get enthusiastic about? Would love to see their solution though I won't be holding my breath for anything better than holding onto the idea that some rich arab can somehow be courted. I think they would be hard pushed to come up with any plan better than the one Llambias seems to be outlining tbh. Logically it is the most sensible strategy as far as I can see, though the factor that will see it ultimately succeed or fail will be the caliber of manager on the football side we are able to secure. Agreed. It's a bitter pill to swallow, but putting the club on a sensible financial footing will pay dividends in the long term, obviously it's going to be a struggle for the next season or so. The appointment of a competent manager is going to be crucial. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
UV Posted February 11, 2009 Share Posted February 11, 2009 I don't know man.. I'm far away from things and it's hard for me to form an opinion one way or the other. I just feel that it's strange how nobody's happy with the way the club's being run, yet there's absolutely no sympathy for the people who are actually trying to do something about it. "Doing something" is not, in itself, necessarily constructive. The people who come out with this one are invariably those who think that what they're doing is the right thing. Doing absolutely nothing will merely encourage those in control to carry on with the current way things are being run. The people who say nothing should be done, or that doing something will be harmful to the club are invariably those who are happy with the status quo. I am not particularly happy with the status quo, but what is the point of agitating without any solution? Have the NUSC actually put forward a more effective plan than Ashley's which I can get enthusiastic about? Protests rarely achieve their stated aims, however they are far more likely to force the institution they are protesting against into compromises than doing nothing would. Whats the compromise though. This is the problem people are asking for him to go but what do they want ?? They want Newcastle United to do well. Appointing a competent manager and having a net positive transfer fund might persuade some people to put up with him for a bit longer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest toonlass Posted February 11, 2009 Share Posted February 11, 2009 I don't know man.. I'm far away from things and it's hard for me to form an opinion one way or the other. I just feel that it's strange how nobody's happy with the way the club's being run, yet there's absolutely no sympathy for the people who are actually trying to do something about it. "Doing something" is not, in itself, necessarily constructive. The people who come out with this one are invariably those who think that what they're doing is the right thing. Doing absolutely nothing will merely encourage those in control to carry on with the current way things are being run. The people who say nothing should be done, or that doing something will be harmful to the club are invariably those who are happy with the status quo. I am not particularly happy with the status quo, but what is the point of agitating without any solution? Have the NUSC actually put forward a more effective plan than Ashley's which I can get enthusiastic about? Protests rarely achieve their stated aims, however they are far more likely to force the institution they are protesting against into compromises than doing nothing would. Whats the compromise though. This is the problem people are asking for him to go but what do they want ?? No-one from NUSC has yet come out to say what the rally is for. It wasn't obvious listening to the meeting, its not been stated what they aim to achieve from it a week on sunday. What do NUSC want to get from this rally? If they want Mike Ashley out who do they think is going to buy the club in this economic market? If we don't put money into the club through tickets, merchandising etc does NUSC not see that the money that could be used to take the playing staff forward will have to be redirected to pay for the general day to day running of the club. We will be shooting ourselves in the foot by boycotting Newcastle United. They need to start listening to all the supporters who make points in their meetings rather than the ones who shout "Ashley out!" because there were quite a few who said they wanted to continue to support the football club and buy their season tickets but they were just rushed over as it doesn't fit NUSC's agenda of getting Mike Ashley out of the club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToonTastic Posted February 11, 2009 Share Posted February 11, 2009 I don't know man.. I'm far away from things and it's hard for me to form an opinion one way or the other. I just feel that it's strange how nobody's happy with the way the club's being run, yet there's absolutely no sympathy for the people who are actually trying to do something about it. "Doing something" is not, in itself, necessarily constructive. The people who come out with this one are invariably those who think that what they're doing is the right thing. Doing absolutely nothing will merely encourage those in control to carry on with the current way things are being run. The people who say nothing should be done, or that doing something will be harmful to the club are invariably those who are happy with the status quo. I am not particularly happy with the status quo, but what is the point of agitating without any solution? Have the NUSC actually put forward a more effective plan than Ashley's which I can get enthusiastic about? Protests rarely achieve their stated aims, however they are far more likely to force the institution they are protesting against into compromises than doing nothing would. Whats the compromise though. This is the problem people are asking for him to go but what do they want ?? They want Newcastle United to do well. Appointing a competent manager and having a net positive transfer fund might persuade some people to put up with him for a bit longer. The club doesn't have the funds to do much of that at the minute due to the massive debts it's in and the loss it makes each season. This is why time has to be taken for the current regime to sort this. If once sorted them bugger it all up and don't have a clue I'll be more than happy to call them rotten. As for Newcastle doing well we all want that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToonTastic Posted February 11, 2009 Share Posted February 11, 2009 I don't know man.. I'm far away from things and it's hard for me to form an opinion one way or the other. I just feel that it's strange how nobody's happy with the way the club's being run, yet there's absolutely no sympathy for the people who are actually trying to do something about it. "Doing something" is not, in itself, necessarily constructive. The people who come out with this one are invariably those who think that what they're doing is the right thing. Doing absolutely nothing will merely encourage those in control to carry on with the current way things are being run. The people who say nothing should be done, or that doing something will be harmful to the club are invariably those who are happy with the status quo. I am not particularly happy with the status quo, but what is the point of agitating without any solution? Have the NUSC actually put forward a more effective plan than Ashley's which I can get enthusiastic about? Protests rarely achieve their stated aims, however they are far more likely to force the institution they are protesting against into compromises than doing nothing would. Whats the compromise though. This is the problem people are asking for him to go but what do they want ?? No-one from NUSC has yet come out to say what the rally is for. It wasn't obvious listening to the meeting, its not been stated what they aim to achieve from it a week on sunday. What do NUSC want to get from this rally? If they want Mike Ashley out who do they think is going to buy the club in this economic market? If we don't put money into the club through tickets, merchandising etc does NUSC not see that the money that could be used to take the playing staff forward will have to be redirected to pay for the general day to day running of the club. We will be shooting ourselves in the foot by boycotting Newcastle United. They need to start listening to all the supporters who make points in their meetings rather than the ones who shout "Ashley out!" because there were quite a few who said they wanted to continue to support the football club and buy their season tickets but they were just rushed over as it doesn't fit NUSC's agenda of getting Mike Ashley out of the club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest michaelfoster Posted February 11, 2009 Share Posted February 11, 2009 No-one from NUSC has yet come out to say what the rally is for. It wasn't obvious listening to the meeting, its not been stated what they aim to achieve from it a week on sunday. What do NUSC want to get from this rally? If they want Mike Ashley out who do they think is going to buy the club in this economic market? If we don't put money into the club through tickets, merchandising etc does NUSC not see that the money that could be used to take the playing staff forward will have to be redirected to pay for the general day to day running of the club. We will be shooting ourselves in the foot by boycotting Newcastle United. They need to start listening to all the supporters who make points in their meetings rather than the ones who shout "Ashley out!" because there were quite a few who said they wanted to continue to support the football club and buy their season tickets but they were just rushed over as it doesn't fit NUSC's agenda of getting Mike Ashley out of the club. well said Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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