Guest ObiChrisKenobi Posted September 6, 2010 Share Posted September 6, 2010 Well yeah, I totally agree with you. The attitude of the guy ringing in just riled me up totally, his logic was totally faulted for the reasons you just gave. Surely the FA and footballing academies across the country have to realise what's best, and changes have to be made? I personally don't think kids should step onto a full size pitch until they're about 13/14. The FA are aware of this and do all they can to get the point across to coaches, teams and academies, but sadly that's where the buck stops. Professional Academies are 'success' driven, which means they'll always want to dominate at the various youth levels, and sadly the easiest way to do this is to get the 'bigger kids' for the age group in. Its not always the case, but you'll be amazed at how big some of these 13/14/15 year olds are at times. Like I said, I'm not sure if this is the norm as I've only seen a really small cross section and that's only in the North East. I know the Sunderland Academy likes to promote technique over physicality, and from what we've seen I'd guess so do 'Boro. I think the trend could slowly be changing, but its almost ingrained in the British DNA that being physical is better than being technical. It'll be a long time before we're anywhere near Spain, if at all. Partly due to Grassroot Coaches that phone up talksport, and partly because of how Academies are currently recruiting youth players. Strangely, I'd argue that the best 3 players I have are the 3 smallest. There's a kid who, and these are his words 'knows where the ball is going to go' and is in there for a tackle and interception. He 'knows if the player is good or bad' which means he knows if he has to get close to begin with or drop off. He's 10 years old and is reading the game like that already. I was amazed. Kids don't step onto a full sized pitch till 13 now too, up until the U11s they play mini-soccer (7-a-side), then go to 11-a-side in a 3/4 pitch. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heron Posted September 6, 2010 Share Posted September 6, 2010 It's all about mindset, and the mindset of Britains younger coaches is different to that of the past. We aren't that far behind, we're just around the corner. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted September 6, 2010 Share Posted September 6, 2010 Wow didn't know about kids and smaller pitches. I distinctly remember playing on massive fullsize fields when I was about 9/10, at the time it was just normal but looking back it was really ridiculous. Dominating at Youth level really shouldn't matter, at all. Even U21 international football and the like. Ultimately the main purpose is producing players who will hopefully go on to play at a high level for clubs and then represent their country. It's all about development and promotion to the level that actually matters, the results in Youth football don't count for nothing at the end of the day. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted September 6, 2010 Share Posted September 6, 2010 Spain had been technique based for years without success, but how did they suddenly start improving their physique? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted September 6, 2010 Share Posted September 6, 2010 Spain had been technique based for years without success, but how did they suddenly start improving their physique? Wouldn't say they had really. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted September 6, 2010 Share Posted September 6, 2010 Spain had been technique based for years without success, but how did they suddenly start improving their physique? Wouldn't say they had really. I'd say Ramos, Xavi, Iniesta and Villa are examples of much more physically adept players than Spain would have seen in past years, and this was crucial to their success. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 6, 2010 Share Posted September 6, 2010 What about people like Miguel Nadal who was a fucking beast of a man. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted September 6, 2010 Share Posted September 6, 2010 Spain had been technique based for years without success, but how did they suddenly start improving their physique? Wouldn't say they had really. I'd say Ramos, Xavi, Iniesta and Villa are examples of much more physically adept players than Spain would have seen in past years, and this was crucial to their success. Wouldn't say Xavi or Iniesta are anything about physicality myself. Two players that thrive totally on being superior technical and would still be quality regardless of their physique. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pont-toon Posted September 6, 2010 Share Posted September 6, 2010 took my 5 year old lad to a local fa coaching school over the summer hols and have to say i was well impressed with the coaching. Everything was based around controlling a football - no emphasis at that age on the physical side or passing & shooting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ObiChrisKenobi Posted September 7, 2010 Share Posted September 7, 2010 It's all about mindset, and the mindset of Britains younger coaches is different to that of the past. We aren't that far behind, we're just around the corner. That's it. It'll be the younger generation of coaches that help start a 'Sea Change' in coaching approaching, and its those the FA are trying to reach out to. The older generation, not all, seem to be the one that are stuck in the Route One Joe Kinnear football. I'm not sure we're just around the corner though, I'd say 10-20 years before you notice it coming through Academies and Grassroots (if at all). Wow didn't know about kids and smaller pitches. I distinctly remember playing on massive fullsize fields when I was about 9/10, at the time it was just normal but looking back it was really ridiculous. You probably were, I was. Think it was change early 2003 or so, maybe a bit later, to bring Mini-Soccer in for the younger players. Less rules, more ball time, more room to develop. All my football education growing up was - Quick Jog. Shots at the keeper then a training match. No coaching what so ever. The sad thing was, I couldn't get into another team to improve, as I needed to improve first! So it was basically learning through my own mistakes (if I realised they were mistakes) and watching football that I learned to play football. Probably why I stopped playing when I was 15... that and xbox. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Posted September 7, 2010 Share Posted September 7, 2010 Spain had been technique based for years without success, but how did they suddenly start improving their physique? Wouldn't say they had really. I'd say Ramos, Xavi, Iniesta and Villa are examples of much more physically adept players than Spain would have seen in past years, and this was crucial to their success. Wouldn't say Xavi or Iniesta are anything about physicality myself. Two players that thrive totally on being superior technical and would still be quality regardless of their physique. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted September 7, 2010 Share Posted September 7, 2010 Fabio Zamblera is included in the reserves squad tonight, as is Sulzeer Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted September 7, 2010 Share Posted September 7, 2010 Ferguson, McLaughlin, Vuckic, Edmundsson and Kadar all ruled out through international call ups. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ObiChrisKenobi Posted September 7, 2010 Share Posted September 7, 2010 I'll be there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
binnsy Posted September 7, 2010 Share Posted September 7, 2010 i wouldn't think Fabio will play, think he'll be on the bench and Airey will be up front. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ObiChrisKenobi Posted September 7, 2010 Share Posted September 7, 2010 Hope he gets on. Think I've seen him play 20mins of football for us, and it didn't leave a good lasting impression. Beside, his FM profile has been untouched for about 2 years as I've haven't seen him playing for AGES. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocksammy Posted September 7, 2010 Share Posted September 7, 2010 Hope he gets on. Think I've seen him play 20mins of football for us, and it didn't leave a good lasting impression. Beside, his FM profile has been untouched for about 2 years as I've haven't seen him playing for AGES. just say he is amazing!!!!!!!!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ObiChrisKenobi Posted September 7, 2010 Share Posted September 7, 2010 Hope he gets on. Think I've seen him play 20mins of football for us, and it didn't leave a good lasting impression. Beside, his FM profile has been untouched for about 2 years as I've haven't seen him playing for AGES. just say he is amazing!!!!!!!!!! That's the Italian way of doing things! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest geoffasenna Posted September 7, 2010 Share Posted September 7, 2010 im not sitting on no fence, hes utter gash, anyways besides that is it free entry this evening?? im guessing it is for ST but is it for those without ST's? Plus speaking about FM any idea of the release date? and can we get a new topic thread on FM on here anyone? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ObiChrisKenobi Posted September 7, 2010 Share Posted September 7, 2010 http://www.newcastle-online.org/nufcforum/index.php/topic,69939.0.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest geoffasenna Posted September 7, 2010 Share Posted September 7, 2010 http://www.newcastle-online.org/nufcforum/index.php/topic,69939.0.html spot on cheers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Posted September 7, 2010 Share Posted September 7, 2010 im not sitting on no fence, hes utter gash, anyways besides that is it free entry this evening?? im guessing it is for ST but is it for those without ST's? Plus speaking about FM any idea of the release date? and can we get a new topic thread on FM on here anyone? Free entry for all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sander68 Posted September 7, 2010 Share Posted September 7, 2010 1-0 Airey from a penalty Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sander68 Posted September 7, 2010 Share Posted September 7, 2010 1-1 Suzo scores a cracker Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted September 7, 2010 Share Posted September 7, 2010 Keep us updated Suzo's the new lad for them I think Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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