DJ_NUFC Posted March 22, 2009 Share Posted March 22, 2009 The whole Taylor fiasco (for which I blame solely management) and our TWO DMs (as mentioned earlier) who did not track a routine opposition midfield run is what cost us the fucking game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Darth Toon Posted March 22, 2009 Share Posted March 22, 2009 It was Nolan who didn't track the run - to be fair, he did try, but Diaby just outpaced him. Very easily. One of those situations where it would have been worth taking a yellow to stop the play (you can bet that's what would have happened if it was the other way round) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
La Parka Posted March 22, 2009 Share Posted March 22, 2009 To me it looked like taylor didn't want to go off. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoli Posted March 22, 2009 Share Posted March 22, 2009 Agree. Don't think Taylor wanted to leave. Hard for management to make the correct decision when it's being given false info. IF they hadn't scored at that moment and Taylor had to go off, who was going to come on - Geremi? And we had already lost, Bassong. I think the bench yesterday didn't have the right mixture. How many games are Geremi and Smith going to win for you. Strola has atleast has a record of popping up with the odd goal, but he's hardly one to lead a fight back. IMO, yesterday we were going to need a fight back mentality to get anything from the game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted March 22, 2009 Share Posted March 22, 2009 It was Nolan who didn't track the run - to be fair, he did try, but Diaby just outpaced him. Very easily. One of those situations where it would have been worth taking a yellow to stop the play (you can bet that's what would have happened if it was the other way round) Unfortunately this is one of the problems with packing your midfield with slow, one paced midfielders. I thought Butt and Nolan did ok in the first half, but they busted their lungs to keep up with the pace, in the second half Arsenal's younger, faster players ran them down and left them for dead. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebellious Posted March 22, 2009 Share Posted March 22, 2009 It was Nolan who didn't track the run - to be fair, he did try, but Diaby just outpaced him. Very easily. One of those situations where it would have been worth taking a yellow to stop the play (you can bet that's what would have happened if it was the other way round) Agree. Taylor could have stayed on the ground for longer and hobbled off slower even if it meant getting a yellow, then the whole team should have defended and got a few yellows if needed just to time waste whilst somebody reorganised. You see it all the time but we didnt. I suppose also the element of bad luck, Bassong already gone, Taylor wasn`t injured by a foul, Beye`s first game back and most of the team was either slower than a snail or a 5ft midget attacking player. Just the usual curse when anything goes our way for more than 30mins. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted March 22, 2009 Share Posted March 22, 2009 when Taylor went off ink butt went to the bench asking who should fill in. Gotno response. He wentmental at the bench wen the ball went in Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
iklgizmo Posted March 22, 2009 Share Posted March 22, 2009 when Taylor went off ink butt went to the bench asking who should fill in. Gotno response. He wentmental at the bench wen the ball went in It is bad management, but is butt so retarded that he cant work things out for himself. Do they really need someone telling them that when you are a defender short someone needs to cover for them? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted March 22, 2009 Share Posted March 22, 2009 when Taylor went off ink butt went to the bench asking who should fill in. Gotno response. He wentmental at the bench wen the ball went in It is bad management, but is butt so retarded that he cant work things out for himself. Do they really need someone telling them that when you are a defender short someone needs to cover for them? shouldn't need the bench to tell them who is going to cover when a player goes off injured for a few minutes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted March 22, 2009 Share Posted March 22, 2009 Taylor surely must have known as well that he couldn't continue when he hurt himself. Surely he could have signalled to the bench instead of trying to act the hero and play on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted March 22, 2009 Share Posted March 22, 2009 hughton's ineptitude lost us the game yesterday. Taylor was off the pitch for a good couple of mins but then when he came back on he got subbed immediately, their dallying cost us the game and a proper manager wouldn't have made such an amateur mistake. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted March 22, 2009 Share Posted March 22, 2009 hughton's ineptitude lost us the game yesterday. Taylor was off the pitch for a good couple of mins but then when he came back on he got subbed immediately, their dallying cost us the game and a proper manager wouldn't have made such an amateur mistake. yes a proper manager would and it wasn't really a mistake. he's not going to sub someone as soon as they go down injured. taylor should have known he couldn't carry on and said straight away. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beezeri Posted March 22, 2009 Share Posted March 22, 2009 Taylor surely must have known as well that he couldn't continue when he hurt himself. Surely he could have signalled to the bench instead of trying to act the hero and play on. That hardly was Taylor's fault! Did enough already by blocking 2 clear goals superbly! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted March 22, 2009 Share Posted March 22, 2009 Taylor surely must have known as well that he couldn't continue when he hurt himself. Surely he could have signalled to the bench instead of trying to act the hero and play on. That hardly was Taylor's fault! Did enough already by blocking 2 clear goals superbly! Are the two blocks exclusive to the fact he should have signalled to come off straight away? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted March 22, 2009 Share Posted March 22, 2009 hughton's ineptitude lost us the game yesterday. Taylor was off the pitch for a good couple of mins but then when he came back on he got subbed immediately, their dallying cost us the game and a proper manager wouldn't have made such an amateur mistake. yes a proper manager would and it wasn't really a mistake. he's not going to sub someone as soon as they go down injured. taylor should have known he couldn't carry on and said straight away. Suggest you read the post again, as i clearly said he was off the field for a good couple of minutes, they spent all that time strapping him up to get subbed again straight away, they must have known they were going to change him with Geremi getting up then Owen getting up so why waste that time? Whatever way you look at it their dallying was the straw the broke the camel's back. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Heneage Posted March 22, 2009 Share Posted March 22, 2009 Its frustrating really. They really were causing us no problems whatsoever with Bassong and Taylor on the pitch. Yet its made out like they weren't performing Arsenal hadn't steppe it up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted March 22, 2009 Share Posted March 22, 2009 hughton's ineptitude lost us the game yesterday. Taylor was off the pitch for a good couple of mins but then when he came back on he got subbed immediately, their dallying cost us the game and a proper manager wouldn't have made such an amateur mistake. yes a proper manager would and it wasn't really a mistake. he's not going to sub someone as soon as they go down injured. taylor should have known he couldn't carry on and said straight away. Suggest you read the post again, as i clearly said he was off the field for a good couple of minutes, they spent all that time strapping him up to get subbed again straight away, they must have known they were going to change him with Geremi getting up then Owen getting up so why waste that time? Whatever way you look at it their dallying was the straw the broke the camel's back. so the player told them he could play on,unless the swelling is immediate or a bone is sticking through it's hard for a physio to tell, the player has the say and he obviously said he could play on. owen got up because lovenkrantz was hobbling about aswell. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted March 22, 2009 Share Posted March 22, 2009 hughton's ineptitude lost us the game yesterday. Taylor was off the pitch for a good couple of mins but then when he came back on he got subbed immediately, their dallying cost us the game and a proper manager wouldn't have made such an amateur mistake. yes a proper manager would and it wasn't really a mistake. he's not going to sub someone as soon as they go down injured. taylor should have known he couldn't carry on and said straight away. Suggest you read the post again, as i clearly said he was off the field for a good couple of minutes, they spent all that time strapping him up to get subbed again straight away, they must have known they were going to change him with Geremi getting up then Owen getting up so why waste that time? Whatever way you look at it their dallying was the straw the broke the camel's back. so the player told them he could play on,unless the swelling is immediate or a bone is sticking through it's hard for a physio to tell, the player has the say and he obviously said he could play on. owen got up because lovenkrantz was hobbling about aswell. Don't think he did he was nearly in tears, and if you spend that amount of time strapping someone up then surely it's not wise to put them on. Plus he went on for 1 minute then came straigh off again, surely not the intentions of a lad that wanted so desperately to be on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted March 22, 2009 Share Posted March 22, 2009 hughton's ineptitude lost us the game yesterday. Taylor was off the pitch for a good couple of mins but then when he came back on he got subbed immediately, their dallying cost us the game and a proper manager wouldn't have made such an amateur mistake. yes a proper manager would and it wasn't really a mistake. he's not going to sub someone as soon as they go down injured. taylor should have known he couldn't carry on and said straight away. Suggest you read the post again, as i clearly said he was off the field for a good couple of minutes, they spent all that time strapping him up to get subbed again straight away, they must have known they were going to change him with Geremi getting up then Owen getting up so why waste that time? Whatever way you look at it their dallying was the straw the broke the camel's back. so the player told them he could play on,unless the swelling is immediate or a bone is sticking through it's hard for a physio to tell, the player has the say and he obviously said he could play on. owen got up because lovenkrantz was hobbling about aswell. Don't think he did he was nearly in tears, and if you spend that amount of time strapping someone up then surely it's not wise to put them on. Plus he went on for 1 minute then came straigh off again, surely not the intentions of a lad that wanted so desperately to be on. i remember nick the greek and stuart pearce doing exactly the same thing. yes it hurt but i bet he thought he cpould run it off. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted March 22, 2009 Share Posted March 22, 2009 Its frustrating really. They really were causing us no problems whatsoever with Bassong and Taylor on the pitch. Yet its made out like they weren't performing Arsenal hadn't steppe it up. Absolute bollocks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Heneage Posted March 22, 2009 Share Posted March 22, 2009 Its frustrating really. They really were causing us no problems whatsoever with Bassong and Taylor on the pitch. Yet its made out like they weren't performing Arsenal hadn't steppe it up. Absolute bollocks. They weren't though, the game totally changed when these 2 went off. Bar a few close shaves, we weren't getting battered to half the degree after the 2nd and 3rd. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted March 22, 2009 Share Posted March 22, 2009 Its frustrating really. They really were causing us no problems whatsoever with Bassong and Taylor on the pitch. Yet its made out like they weren't performing Arsenal hadn't steppe it up. Absolute bollocks. They weren't though, the game totally changed when these 2 went off. Bar a few close shaves, we weren't getting battered to half the degree after the 2nd and 3rd. We could easily have been 3-0 down at half time. We played well for an hour but let's not dress it up as something it's not. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Heneage Posted March 22, 2009 Share Posted March 22, 2009 Its frustrating really. They really were causing us no problems whatsoever with Bassong and Taylor on the pitch. Yet its made out like they weren't performing Arsenal hadn't steppe it up. Absolute bollocks. They weren't though, the game totally changed when these 2 went off. Bar a few close shaves, we weren't getting battered to half the degree after the 2nd and 3rd. We could easily have been 3-0 down at half time. We played well for an hour but let's not dress it up as something it's not. I would at least like to think their 2nd doesn't happen if we had those 2 on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted March 22, 2009 Share Posted March 22, 2009 Taylor surely must have known as well that he couldn't continue when he hurt himself. Surely he could have signalled to the bench instead of trying to act the hero and play on. I really think this is ridiculously harsh. Was there anyone ready to come on? Hughton was probably stood in the technical box, complete with gormless look and "if i rub my chin, i might look like i know what i'm doing" pose. So harsh blaming Taylor for wanting to commit himself for the team. Probably not the most sensible decision in hindsight but Christ. Some of the lads simply can't win. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted March 22, 2009 Share Posted March 22, 2009 Its frustrating really. They really were causing us no problems whatsoever with Bassong and Taylor on the pitch. Yet its made out like they weren't performing Arsenal hadn't steppe it up. Absolute bollocks. They weren't though, the game totally changed when these 2 went off. Bar a few close shaves, we weren't getting battered to half the degree after the 2nd and 3rd. We could easily have been 3-0 down at half time. We played well for an hour but let's not dress it up as something it's not. we could as easily have been 2 up Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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