spooky Posted August 19, 2009 Share Posted August 19, 2009 If this Roberts meeting and possible bid is true, it's only going to serve to prolong this sale and keep us out of the transfer window (assuming that Moat's can actually buy the club). What a f***ing fiasco. Not sure if i want people owning us who just wanted to buy A football club. It'll just be the same mess over all over again. # You need to be a f***ing black belt at club ownership to run this mad house, not some jacky that turns up for one lesson. Agree I just cant see how this model can feasibly work within a 12 month period let alone 12 days it can't, so I shall now officially ignore this bid... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufchk Posted August 19, 2009 Share Posted August 19, 2009 next week......weekend......delay.....next week......weekend......delay.....next week......weekend......delay.....next week......weekend......delay.....next week......weekend......delay..... and still have someone said "no news, what a surprise !" :facepalm: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted August 19, 2009 Share Posted August 19, 2009 If this Roberts meeting and possible bid is true, it's only going to serve to prolong this sale and keep us out of the transfer window (assuming that Moat's can actually buy the club). What a f***ing fiasco. At this point in time I would sooner Ashley just called the whole sale thing off. The press are already saying the moat deal is unlikely and we really need to concerntrate now on the season, there's only 12 days left of this transfer window and we need a manager and some semblance of a squad. If he calls the sale off there's no need to worry about how many days there are left to the transfer window, because Ashley is leaving the decision so late on purpose so he doesn't have to invest in a proper manager or expensive players. Expect Kinnear or Hughton to get the job and maybe a couple of loan signings. Fat Ash will think he's done a grand job and will sit back and wait for promotion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest gggg Posted August 19, 2009 Share Posted August 19, 2009 Great fans, Shearer In, No debt...Money? oh.....Great fans, Shearer In, No debt...Money? oh...Great fans, Shearer In, No debt...Money? oh.....Great fans, Shearer In, No debt...Money? oh.....Great fans, Shearer In, No debt...Money? oh...Great fans, Shearer In, No debt...Money? oh.....Great fans, Shearer In, No debt...Money? oh Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TêteDeMaure Posted August 19, 2009 Share Posted August 19, 2009 Great fans, Shearer In, No debt...Money? oh.....Great fans, Shearer In, No debt...Money? oh...Great fans, Shearer In, No debt...Money? oh.....Great fans, Shearer In, No debt...Money? oh.....Great fans, Shearer In, No debt...Money? oh...Great fans, Shearer In, No debt...Money? oh.....Great fans, Shearer In, No debt...Money? oh You didn't say Great Fans anywhere near enough tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MW Posted August 19, 2009 Share Posted August 19, 2009 We could probably raise the £100m if we had one of those stalls where we can throw pies at Mike Ashley head poking through a wall at £1 a go. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Phil K Posted August 19, 2009 Share Posted August 19, 2009 Don't know about that - I watched that ex-Spuds/Rangers/Liverpool player (forgot his name) on SSN today and was for the first time wanting Ashley not to go - if HE's an example of who is bidding for the club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
afar Posted August 19, 2009 Share Posted August 19, 2009 If this Roberts meeting and possible bid is true, it's only going to serve to prolong this sale and keep us out of the transfer window (assuming that Moat's can actually buy the club). What a f***ing fiasco. At this point in time I would sooner Ashley just called the whole sale thing off. The press are already saying the moat deal is unlikely and we really need to concerntrate now on the season, there's only 12 days left of this transfer window and we need a manager and some semblance of a squad. If he calls the sale off there's no need to worry about how many days there are left to the transfer window, because Ashley is leaving the decision so late on purpose so he doesn't have to invest in a proper manager or expensive players. Expect Kinnear or Hughton to get the job and maybe a couple of loan signings. Fat Ash will think he's done a grand job and will sit back and wait for promotion. I'm still not buying into the Ashley killing the club on purpose crap. I'm sorry but he's not rich enough to want to just throw about a quarter of a billion pounds, just because he hates all Geordies. Clueless yes, and absolutely can see him hiring the likes of Hughton or JFK. But I would sooner this one is put to bed, the uncertainty is killing us and since the sale looks as far off as ever, lets just concerntrate on making the best of a bad situation. He clearly doesn't want to own the club anymore and we obviously don't want him but surely it doesn't take a rocket scientist to deduce that this is not the right market to be trying to sell the club for a price he regards as reasonable. If he can get a manager in and sort out the squad, there's fuck all in this division, so promotion is more than just possible. Then his asset if worth a whole lot more next year, of course that would mean we go through this shit again next season, but I think that's inevitable anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianovthetoon Posted August 19, 2009 Share Posted August 19, 2009 In all fairness, wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if this lot had the money. What they're proposing basically is similar to the way Real Madrid etc vote in a president every so many years. Yes, supporters will be allowed to vote on this, but rest assured you will have to pay for this. They'll charge membership annually, there will be no perks apart from being allowed to vote on club related matters. If, for instance 50,000 people a year sign up for this at £100 per year, that's £5 Million a year. I would imagine there would be no limit to how many you could buy, so that figure could be quite conservative. This is how they will probably recoup a chunk of their investment as the vehicle for the voting options would no doubt be a seperate entity to the club. I could be completely barking up the wrong tree, but I'd expect that it would be popular with a lot of fans as they'd be able to have a "say" in some club related matters. The worrying thing is though this works at Barcelona and Real because they are hugely successful generating far more money than we ever could in the present climate. Even back in the Premiership we'd still need a hugely wealthy benefactor to play catch up with even the likes of Spurs Aston Villa and the like. Just can't see it working. The time to have done this was when we were riding high in the Premiership, playing Champions League football. We were generating good amounts of money, and had that been sustained this model would have almost certainly have worked. The fan bases are pretty similar in terms of passion, but Real and Barcelona have far bigger worldwide appeal, which helps them in terms of being self sufficient. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted August 19, 2009 Share Posted August 19, 2009 I'd settle for some strong leadership from someone who wants to run the club and has the clubs interests first, for the next couple of years. No fan buyouts, no buillshit. Just stability for a while. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted August 19, 2009 Share Posted August 19, 2009 If this Roberts meeting and possible bid is true, it's only going to serve to prolong this sale and keep us out of the transfer window (assuming that Moat's can actually buy the club). What a f***ing fiasco. At this point in time I would sooner Ashley just called the whole sale thing off. The press are already saying the moat deal is unlikely and we really need to concerntrate now on the season, there's only 12 days left of this transfer window and we need a manager and some semblance of a squad. If he calls the sale off there's no need to worry about how many days there are left to the transfer window, because Ashley is leaving the decision so late on purpose so he doesn't have to invest in a proper manager or expensive players. Expect Kinnear or Hughton to get the job and maybe a couple of loan signings. Fat Ash will think he's done a grand job and will sit back and wait for promotion. I'm still not buying into the Ashley killing the club on purpose crap. I'm sorry but he's not rich enough to want to just throw about a quarter of a billion pounds, just because he hates all Geordies. Clueless yes, and absolutely can see him hiring the likes of Hughton or JFK. But I would sooner this one is put to bed, the uncertainty is killing us and since the sale looks as far off as ever, lets just concerntrate on making the best of a bad situation. He clearly doesn't want to own the club anymore and we obviously don't want him but surely it doesn't take a rocket scientist to deduce that this is not the right market to be trying to sell the club for a price he regards as reasonable. If he can get a manager in and sort out the squad, there's fuck all in this division, so promotion is more than just possible. Then his asset if worth a whole lot more next year, of course that would mean we go through this shit again next season, but I think that's inevitable anyway. I don't buy into the "killing the club on purpose" crap either, that's not what I was getting at. Ashley just wants to get the best price he can while investing as little as possible. It's what he's done from day one in almost all of the transfer windows. He probably figures the squad has a good shot at getting promotion if he can get a couple of cheap loanees in, but hiring a quality manager will mean spending on players which he doesn't want. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chicago_shearer Posted August 19, 2009 Share Posted August 19, 2009 This Fans 410 thing just seems like another publicity stunt, similar to the Profitable Group or the Nigerians last year. Get your name in the papers and job done. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
afar Posted August 19, 2009 Share Posted August 19, 2009 If this Roberts meeting and possible bid is true, it's only going to serve to prolong this sale and keep us out of the transfer window (assuming that Moat's can actually buy the club). What a f***ing fiasco. At this point in time I would sooner Ashley just called the whole sale thing off. The press are already saying the moat deal is unlikely and we really need to concerntrate now on the season, there's only 12 days left of this transfer window and we need a manager and some semblance of a squad. If he calls the sale off there's no need to worry about how many days there are left to the transfer window, because Ashley is leaving the decision so late on purpose so he doesn't have to invest in a proper manager or expensive players. Expect Kinnear or Hughton to get the job and maybe a couple of loan signings. Fat Ash will think he's done a grand job and will sit back and wait for promotion. I'm still not buying into the Ashley killing the club on purpose crap. I'm sorry but he's not rich enough to want to just throw about a quarter of a billion pounds, just because he hates all Geordies. Clueless yes, and absolutely can see him hiring the likes of Hughton or JFK. But I would sooner this one is put to bed, the uncertainty is killing us and since the sale looks as far off as ever, lets just concerntrate on making the best of a bad situation. He clearly doesn't want to own the club anymore and we obviously don't want him but surely it doesn't take a rocket scientist to deduce that this is not the right market to be trying to sell the club for a price he regards as reasonable. If he can get a manager in and sort out the squad, there's f*** all in this division, so promotion is more than just possible. Then his asset if worth a whole lot more next year, of course that would mean we go through this s*** again next season, but I think that's inevitable anyway. I don't buy into the "killing the club on purpose" crap either, that's not what I was getting at. Ashley just wants to get the best price he can while investing as little as possible. It's what he's done from day one in almost all of the transfer windows. He probably figures the squad has a good shot at getting promotion if he can get a couple of cheap loanees in, but hiring a quality manager will mean spending on players which he doesn't want. The thing is we don't even need a quality manager, for this division, just someone who isn't totally clueless (ie. not Hughton or JFK). He can pick one of those guys up, who will be willing to work within financial constraints, pretty easily. End this now, before the transfer window is lost to us, then we really are fucked because the squad is just not deep enough. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazza ladra Posted August 19, 2009 Share Posted August 19, 2009 I disagree. We do need a quality manager. And Houghton, Kinnear, and Shearer just don't cut it. A quality manager would be more valuable to the club than anything else right now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted August 19, 2009 Share Posted August 19, 2009 I disagree. We do need a quality manager. And Houghton, Kinnear, and Shearer just don't cut it. A quality manager would be more valuable to the club than anything else right now. The one thing I am certain of is that if Ashley keeps the club he won't appoint a quality manager. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
afar Posted August 19, 2009 Share Posted August 19, 2009 I disagree. We do need a quality manager. And Houghton, Kinnear, and Shearer just don't cut it. A quality manager would be more valuable to the club than anything else right now. Of course we would prefer a quality manager. But we've got to look at our short term problem first, namely being in the championship. We are not going to attract a quality manager down here, so we need someone with promise or someone capable of getting us back into the prem. Once we are there we can think more long term, but we are a championship club now and we need to set our expectations appropriately. Again what we NEED is a manager capable of getting us out of this divison, what we would LIKE is a quality manager. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazza ladra Posted August 19, 2009 Share Posted August 19, 2009 @ Big Tron Yeah, I agree. We really need to see Ashley gone ASAP. I am not all that excited about Moat because I just don't think Shearer is the right man to manage this club. I really wish he was, but I haven't seen anything to convince me of that. @afar Maybe we are talking past one another. For example, some of the names that have been bandied about like Curbishley and Strachen would certainly count as quality managers in my book. I mean, we're not going to bring in Mourinho--- they are not of that stature. But they are better than anything we've seen since SBR (with the exception of Keegan). Maybe you are talking about someone like Roeder? The squad we had last year would've never been relegated under Roeder IMO. Still, I wouldn't trust him to win promotion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Wally_McFool Posted August 19, 2009 Share Posted August 19, 2009 I wonder if Ashley has paid Graham Roberts to come on the telly and start giving the old Shearer to be manager, great fans, no debt rubbish because this thing smacks of Ashley playing his usual tricks of building peoples hopes up then prolonging the sale, selling more players, changing his mind (etc) crap. We've seen it all before and it looks to me like its happening again. It seems to me that agent Graham Roberts is the latest recruit of Mike Ashleys gang. Dont be surprised to see his name appear near the top of the next manager of Newcastle list if fat bastard fails to sell. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
afar Posted August 19, 2009 Share Posted August 19, 2009 @ Big Tron Yeah, I agree. We really need to see Ashley gone ASAP. I am not all that excited about Moat because I just don't think Shearer is the right man to manage this club. I really wish he was, but I haven't seen anything to convince me of that. @afar Maybe we are talking past one another. For example, some of the names that have been bandied about like Curbishley and Strachen would certainly count as quality managers in my book. I mean, we're not going to bring in Mourinho--- they are not of that stature. But they are better than anything we've seen since SBR (with the exception of Keegan). Maybe you are talking about someone like Roeder? The squad we had last year would've never been relegated under Roeder IMO. Still, I wouldn't trust him to win promotion. Roeder would go in the totally clueless category, Curbs or Strachen would count in my list of capabale and probably willing to work within the constraints, as would the likes of Dave Jones, Bristol City's manager (whoever he is) and even old heads like George Graham. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ObiChrisKenobi Posted August 19, 2009 Share Posted August 19, 2009 Glenn Roeder is a terrible manager, his track record proves he can only get teams relegated. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TêteDeMaure Posted August 19, 2009 Share Posted August 19, 2009 Thought something exciting had happened there, forum wouldn't open for a good few mins for me. Just seems to be my shit equipment unfortunately. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sicko2ndbest Posted August 19, 2009 Share Posted August 19, 2009 Wonder whether Moat has secured his loan! Mind you does it matter, the fat prick will just put another barrier in front. Will be interesting to see if Moat sits by Llambias tonight Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted August 19, 2009 Share Posted August 19, 2009 @ Big Tron Yeah, I agree. We really need to see Ashley gone ASAP. I am not all that excited about Moat because I just don't think Shearer is the right man to manage this club. I really wish he was, but I haven't seen anything to convince me of that. @afar Maybe we are talking past one another. For example, some of the names that have been bandied about like Curbishley and Strachen would certainly count as quality managers in my book. I mean, we're not going to bring in Mourinho--- they are not of that stature. But they are better than anything we've seen since SBR (with the exception of Keegan). Maybe you are talking about someone like Roeder? The squad we had last year would've never been relegated under Roeder IMO. Still, I wouldn't trust him to win promotion. Roeder would go in the totally clueless category, Curbs or Strachen would count in my list of capabale and probably willing to work within the constraints, as would the likes of Dave Jones, Bristol City's manager (whoever he is) and even old heads like George Graham. I can't see Curbishley or Strachan working under the sort of constraints Ashley will impose. Dave Jones is a possibility. If Ashley appoints him I'd actually be quite impressed, but I don't think it will happen. If he doesn't sell the club i expect Kinnear or some other complete tosspot to be given the job. Fatty is welcome to prove me wrong though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willow Posted August 19, 2009 Share Posted August 19, 2009 Wonder whether Moat has secured his loan! Mind you does it matter, the fat prick will just put another barrier in front. Will be interesting to see if Moat sits by Llambias tonight Yup, keep yer eyes peeled lads. Watch for body language, winks and sneaky handshakes.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Consortium of one Posted August 19, 2009 Share Posted August 19, 2009 @ Big Tron Yeah, I agree. We really need to see Ashley gone ASAP. I am not all that excited about Moat because I just don't think Shearer is the right man to manage this club. I really wish he was, but I haven't seen anything to convince me of that. @afar Maybe we are talking past one another. For example, some of the names that have been bandied about like Curbishley and Strachen would certainly count as quality managers in my book. I mean, we're not going to bring in Mourinho--- they are not of that stature. But they are better than anything we've seen since SBR (with the exception of Keegan). Maybe you are talking about someone like Roeder? The squad we had last year would've never been relegated under Roeder IMO. Still, I wouldn't trust him to win promotion. Roeder would go in the totally clueless category, Curbs or Strachen would count in my list of capabale and probably willing to work within the constraints, as would the likes of Dave Jones, Bristol City's manager (whoever he is) and even old heads like George Graham. I can't see Curbishley or Strachan working under the sort of constraints Ashley will impose. Dave Jones is a possibility. If Ashley appoints him I'd actually be quite impressed, but I don't think it will happen. If he doesn't sell the club i expect Kinnear or some other complete tosspot to be given the job. Fatty is welcome to prove me wrong though. I can't see any reputable manager coming in under the current shambolic conditions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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