MW Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 If Sven was a failure we've only had one manager who wasn't. Sir Bobby and Venables got the semis, but Euro 88 was a farce and Venables had the advantage of playing every game at Wembley. We've only won 3 knockout games in normal time since the 60's, against Denmark, Paraguay and Ecuador, two of those were under Sven. We're no footballing power, getting to the quarters consistently away from home is well above our average. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest gggg Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 Infact we've only ever beaten 5 teams at the knockout stages abroad: Paraguay, Belgium (a.e.t), Cameroon (a.e.t), Denmark and Ecuador. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 Doesn't really matter if it's normal time or not though does it? Furthermore we've only been knocked out in the knock-out phase in normal time a few times.... (if that sentence makes any sense). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor Swift Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 The exception is Hodgson but over the past 15+ years, they've always appointed someone who they thought was best for them. Like it or not, it's true. Not sure I follow this, Pip. Are you saying that other teams don't appoint people that they think are best for them? Eh? I'm saying some teams make appointments based on the newest big name that they can get. You look at Chelsea who got Mourinho who was successful, then they veered to Scolari who was highly rated because of his spell with Portugal, then they switched to Ancelotti who was done with Milan, then AVB because the media think he's Mourinho mk2. You look at a team like Bolton, hiring someone like Coyle, who had Burnley playing decent football for 6 months. That's not showing any foresight or judgment. That's being reflexive and reactive. I'm saying Liverpool have a history of appointing people they thought were best for them regardless of the situation, and Hodgson is the exception - he was the only one who they hired who was a 'media' guy. My analysis isn't completely scientific so it might sound like a load of crap - it might even be a load of crap, actually - but you can look at how teams hire managers and see whether they're doing it with sense or not. It doesn't take a genius to figure out whether appointing someone like Wenger was done with a view towards the future or hiring someone like Bruce was done because he'd had a good time with two previous mid-table teams. You can usually tell by how much backing the board give the manager. Someone like Scolari had a short leash because Abramovich is reactive, proven by the fact that he sacked Ancelotti one season after winning the double. Sometimes circumstances drive the narrative. Like Hodgson 'deserving' a shot at a big club and Liverpool needing a manager. But sometimes they don't. Sometimes clubs go against conventional thinking because they have good reason to - like hiring Dalglish, for example. It might not work out every time, but imo it has a higher success rate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 I just want a manager who will come in, pretty much write of the Euro's, take a team that will be going to the World Cup and stick with a squad of youth up until 2014 bar any injuries or dramatic dips in form/class. Something along the lines of: Hart, Richards, Cahill, Jones, Cole, Oxo, Wilshere, Cleverley, Walcott, Rooney Sturridge. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Chubby Jason Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 Arry will be in by the Euro's we all know that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 Benitez is the man for me, winning the Champions League with Liverpool. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 Arry will be in by the Euro's we all know that. Then it's......Hart, Walker, Dawson, Ferdinand, Cole, Walcott, Parker ©, Milner, Lennon, Rooney, Crouch/Defoe Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Chubby Jason Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 It will be interesting to see how he treats Bent given his comments on him when he was at Spurs. If he selects Defoe/Crouch ahead of him he wants sacking before the tournament starts. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ketsbaia Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 Micah Richards will be chuffed at this news. Whoever is in charge for the Euros needs to be brave enough to pick players that end the season strongly instead of sticking with Downing, Glen Johnson, Barry and possibly Ferdinand. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin Lol Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 Arry will be in by the Euro's we all know that. Then it's......Hart, Walker, Dawson, Ferdinand, Cole, Walcott, Parker ©, Milner, Lennon, Rooney, Crouch/Defoe Got to make space for Joe Cole and Carrick, proper players they are, Harry's known them since they were 12. Also, tough call between Walker and Glen Johnson. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 Arry will be in by the Euro's we all know that. Then it's......Hart, Walker, Dawson, Ferdinand, Cole, Walcott, Parker ©, Milner, Lennon, Rooney, Crouch/Defoe Got to make space for Joe Cole and Carrick, proper players they are, Harry's known them since they were 12. Also, tough call between Walker and Glen Johnson. 'Triffic lads and all that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stottie Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 Infact we've only ever beaten 5 teams at the knockout stages abroad: Paraguay, Belgium (a.e.t), Cameroon (a.e.t), Denmark and Ecuador. Being knocked out twice in games where ManUre players were sent off for petty retaliation doesn't help. When it comes to big games, the margins are fine. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ketsbaia Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 Just found this whilst job hunting: http://www.totaljobs.com/JobSeeking/England-Football-Manager---London-Wembley-Travel-Required_job52827388 Location: Wembley (HA9) , Wembley Salary: Above market + Performance Bonuses + Travel Date posted: 09/02/2012 09:24 Job type:Permanent Company: Guru Resourcing Contact: Guru Careers Ref: Totaljobs/RH\000EFM Job ID: 52827388 ENGLAND FOOTBALL MANAGER - LONDON (WEMBLEY – TRAVEL REQUIRED) We are seeking a proven Club Manager / International Manager / Head Coach possessing that win-at-all-costs mentality to take up a high profile, public facing Football Management role with the national team. Read on... Founded in 1863 this award winning (Jules Rimet – 1966) football association head up all regulatory aspects of the game of football in England. Their aim is to deliver an effective and professional organisation for the greater good of English football. A rare opportunity has now arisen to lead the national playing team on the eve of a major international tournament. Reporting directly to the Senior Management team the England Football Manager will be at the very forefront of football decision making, whether it be selecting the first team for match day, performing team reviews (including disciplinary actions) or managing the expectations of a nation. In more detail you will... Succeed in a major international tournament (quarter finals or above). Beat Germany. Find a way of integrating experienced midfielders so they can perform together. Implement a plan A playing formation (4-4-2, although others will be considered). Implement a plan B playing formation (this should include penalties). Work closely with Journalists to ensure brilliant positive PR is achieved. To qualify… We want to hear from highly organised, energetic and motivated football people with a distinct ability to get make the most of the playing resources available. It is not essential that you possess previous international management experience as on the job training is offered, however, you must demonstrate a background of achieving at club level as a Manager, Translator, Caretaker, Director of Football or similar. Understanding the beautiful game from grass roots level upwards, you should be the type of person who thrives under pressure and is totally at home in the public eye, whether this is at an official interview or street heckling. Joining a high pressured yet rewarding working environment, our client invests heavily in staff development with great benefits to match, including: Extensive “paid for” travel (wags included); expansive, state-of-the-art, new office location; excellent holiday entitlement; free entry to all football games (and some concerts) and a globally competitive salary. Please note: We are particularly interested in hearing from English Club Managers with exemplary tax histories currently occupying a top 3 Premier League position. Previous applicants need not apply. Get in touch... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest gggg Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 Infact we've only ever beaten 5 teams at the knockout stages abroad: Paraguay, Belgium (a.e.t), Cameroon (a.e.t), Denmark and Ecuador. Being knocked out twice in games where ManUre players were sent off for petty retaliation doesn't help. When it comes to big games, the margins are fine. The margins are fine in games, but not over a 62 year period. The fact that we've lost to every top tier team we've come up against on neutral territory in the latter stages is pretty conclusive. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 Infact we've only ever beaten 5 teams at the knockout stages abroad: Paraguay, Belgium (a.e.t), Cameroon (a.e.t), Denmark and Ecuador. Being knocked out twice in games where ManUre players were sent off for petty retaliation doesn't help. When it comes to big games, the margins are fine. that stat right? that can't be fucking right surely Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 If Sven was a failure we've only had one manager who wasn't. Sir Bobby and Venables got the semis, but Euro 88 was a farce and Venables had the advantage of playing every game at Wembley. We've only won 3 knockout games in normal time since the 60's, against Denmark, Paraguay and Ecuador, two of those were under Sven. We're no footballing power, getting to the quarters consistently away from home is well above our average. Was gonna say, fucking hell! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sifu Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 Just found this whilst job hunting: http://www.totaljobs.com/JobSeeking/England-Football-Manager---London-Wembley-Travel-Required_job52827388 Location: Wembley (HA9) , Wembley Salary: Above market + Performance Bonuses + Travel Date posted: 09/02/2012 09:24 Job type:Permanent Company: Guru Resourcing Contact: Guru Careers Ref: Totaljobs/RH\000EFM Job ID: 52827388 ENGLAND FOOTBALL MANAGER - LONDON (WEMBLEY – TRAVEL REQUIRED) We are seeking a proven Club Manager / International Manager / Head Coach possessing that win-at-all-costs mentality to take up a high profile, public facing Football Management role with the national team. Read on... Founded in 1863 this award winning (Jules Rimet – 1966) football association head up all regulatory aspects of the game of football in England. Their aim is to deliver an effective and professional organisation for the greater good of English football. A rare opportunity has now arisen to lead the national playing team on the eve of a major international tournament. Reporting directly to the Senior Management team the England Football Manager will be at the very forefront of football decision making, whether it be selecting the first team for match day, performing team reviews (including disciplinary actions) or managing the expectations of a nation. In more detail you will... Succeed in a major international tournament (quarter finals or above). Beat Germany. Find a way of integrating experienced midfielders so they can perform together. Implement a plan A playing formation (4-4-2, although others will be considered). Implement a plan B playing formation (this should include penalties). Work closely with Journalists to ensure brilliant positive PR is achieved. To qualify… We want to hear from highly organised, energetic and motivated football people with a distinct ability to get make the most of the playing resources available. It is not essential that you possess previous international management experience as on the job training is offered, however, you must demonstrate a background of achieving at club level as a Manager, Translator, Caretaker, Director of Football or similar. Understanding the beautiful game from grass roots level upwards, you should be the type of person who thrives under pressure and is totally at home in the public eye, whether this is at an official interview or street heckling. Joining a high pressured yet rewarding working environment, our client invests heavily in staff development with great benefits to match, including: Extensive “paid for” travel (wags included); expansive, state-of-the-art, new office location; excellent holiday entitlement; free entry to all football games (and some concerts) and a globally competitive salary. Please note: We are particularly interested in hearing from English Club Managers with exemplary tax histories currently occupying a top 3 Premier League position. Previous applicants need not apply. Get in touch... Nice Good effort from whoever wrote that! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdckelly Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 Just found this whilst job hunting: http://www.totaljobs.com/JobSeeking/England-Football-Manager---London-Wembley-Travel-Required_job52827388 Location: Wembley (HA9) , Wembley Salary: Above market + Performance Bonuses + Travel Date posted: 09/02/2012 09:24 Job type:Permanent Company: Guru Resourcing Contact: Guru Careers Ref: Totaljobs/RH\000EFM Job ID: 52827388 ENGLAND FOOTBALL MANAGER - LONDON (WEMBLEY – TRAVEL REQUIRED) We are seeking a proven Club Manager / International Manager / Head Coach possessing that win-at-all-costs mentality to take up a high profile, public facing Football Management role with the national team. Read on... Founded in 1863 this award winning (Jules Rimet – 1966) football association head up all regulatory aspects of the game of football in England. Their aim is to deliver an effective and professional organisation for the greater good of English football. A rare opportunity has now arisen to lead the national playing team on the eve of a major international tournament. Reporting directly to the Senior Management team the England Football Manager will be at the very forefront of football decision making, whether it be selecting the first team for match day, performing team reviews (including disciplinary actions) or managing the expectations of a nation. In more detail you will... Succeed in a major international tournament (quarter finals or above). Beat Germany. Find a way of integrating experienced midfielders so they can perform together. Implement a plan A playing formation (4-4-2, although others will be considered). Implement a plan B playing formation (this should include penalties). Work closely with Journalists to ensure brilliant positive PR is achieved. To qualify… We want to hear from highly organised, energetic and motivated football people with a distinct ability to get make the most of the playing resources available. It is not essential that you possess previous international management experience as on the job training is offered, however, you must demonstrate a background of achieving at club level as a Manager, Translator, Caretaker, Director of Football or similar. Understanding the beautiful game from grass roots level upwards, you should be the type of person who thrives under pressure and is totally at home in the public eye, whether this is at an official interview or street heckling. Joining a high pressured yet rewarding working environment, our client invests heavily in staff development with great benefits to match, including: Extensive “paid for” travel (wags included); expansive, state-of-the-art, new office location; excellent holiday entitlement; free entry to all football games (and some concerts) and a globally competitive salary. Please note: We are particularly interested in hearing from English Club Managers with exemplary tax histories currently occupying a top 3 Premier League position. Previous applicants need not apply. Get in touch... good thing I've been touching up my CV Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 Hart, Richards, Jones, Smalling, Cole, Parker, Wilshere, Ox, Rooney, Sturridge, Bent. Would be the way forward. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 Darren Bent Such a paucity of genuine quality forwards. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 He scores goals, its that simple. I'm not his biggest fan but if you want a goalscorer, I don't think there is anyone better. The only other person I would have up there is Welbeck because he plays with Rooney. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Chubby Jason Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 Bent is a great goalscorer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 I just want a manager who will come in, pretty much write of the Euro's, take a team that will be going to the World Cup and stick with a squad of youth up until 2014 bar any injuries or dramatic dips in form/class. Something along the lines of: Hart, Richards, Cahill, Jones, Cole, Oxo, Wilshere, Cleverley, Walcott, Rooney Sturridge. Jones has looked poor at CB whenever i've seen him. Would have Smalling ahead of him. Cole is the only "Oldie" i'd take too. The drop off in quality in LB is stark imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 England need a better team player playing upfront than Darren Bent. He's not as good at this level to compensate his lack of overall quality. Even as a sub, i'd have Defoe ahead of him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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