Guest reefatoon Posted August 24, 2011 Share Posted August 24, 2011 I was just starting to be at ease with this transfer window and what we had going into the season. Sigh. I think Barton is a decent player who's ability level is exaggerated by many on here and also by himself. It speaks volumes that the only club that has come in for him is QPR. He's not the quickest, can't really dribble, his short passing game and composure on the ball when in the middle of the park is actually very poor. I like him as a character and as a player, but really his performances over the last year have come by playing him in a position that utilised the qualities he does have to the maximum. As much as some on here seem set on playing him there, he's NOT a good central midfielder. He's not versatile and he's not a dynamic footballer, which is why I found his agent, those on here and the media spouting off about how he will go to a top 7 team quite bizarre. That being said, take him out of the side and it leaves a gaping hole down the right hand side of a settled team. The hole he leaves is similar to the one we have at left back and the one we have upfront, frankly we can't afford to weaken the team any further. You know what you're going to get from him and that's a solid performer who is vocal on the pitch and can hold the team together. Losing him without a direct, sure-fire, like for like replacement is just yet further gambling by those at the top. We're going to be nowhere near relegation and I still remain confident we'll see 2 players coming in...but it's pretty depressing that mid-table is about the best we can expect this season. I guess it makes sense to an extent, the only way you're going to get top 6 is by spending a shitload of money and the positions 7th-17th are much as a muchness to Ashley. Aslong as he can keep us in the league why should he give a f*** as a businessman to try and invest and push us a couple of places higher. The prick. Top post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crumpy Gunt Posted August 24, 2011 Share Posted August 24, 2011 The last of the "Hughtons sacked" dissenting voices out the door. Harper will never be first choice again for his utterances on the matter and with Rob Elliots possible arrival I can see him being peddled aswell. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtype Posted August 24, 2011 Share Posted August 24, 2011 I was just starting to be at ease with this transfer window and what we had going into the season. Sigh. I think Barton is a decent player who's ability level is exaggerated by many on here and also by himself. It speaks volumes that the only club that has come in for him is QPR. He's not the quickest, can't really dribble, his short passing game and composure on the ball when in the middle of the park is actually very poor. I like him as a character and as a player, but really his performances over the last year have come by playing him in a position that utilised the qualities he does have to the maximum. As much as some on here seem set on playing him there, he's NOT a good central midfielder. He's not versatile and he's not a dynamic footballer, which is why I found his agent, those on here and the media spouting off about how he will go to a top 7 team quite bizarre. That being said, take him out of the side and it leaves a gaping hole down the right hand side of a settled team. The hole he leaves is similar to the one we have at left back and the one we have upfront, frankly we can't afford to weaken the team any further. You know what you're going to get from him and that's a solid performer who is vocal on the pitch and can hold the team together. Losing him without a direct, sure-fire, like for like replacement is just yet further gambling by those at the top. We're going to be nowhere near relegation and I still remain confident we'll see 2 players coming in...but it's pretty depressing that mid-table is about the best we can expect this season. I guess it makes sense to an extent, the only way you're going to get top 6 is by spending a shitload of money and the positions 7th-17th are much as a muchness to Ashley. Aslong as he can keep us in the league why should he give a f*** as a businessman to try and invest and push us a couple of places higher. The prick. Top post It's true: from an ownership standpoint, the benefits of placing a few places higher in the Premiership are disproportionately miniscule compared to the money you'd need to spend to do so. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimplyAnth Posted August 24, 2011 Share Posted August 24, 2011 Annoying that the player we have obviously decided to get rid of for nowt has played every minute of our successful start to the this season. Think I am in the same boat as most here though, would be fine and good business if we got in a replacement, but that looks very unlikely. Though this is bad news, worst stuff has happened and I'm personally saving my worry and anger for if we don't get a left back and a striker in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdckelly Posted August 24, 2011 Share Posted August 24, 2011 Also, what this Sedgwick guy told. It seems very, very likely that he'll be away. Perhaps the only thing that could turn him around would be a phone call of the club saying they re-think his contract situation. which won't happen, if QPR are matching or improving on what he's getting already (which is significant) then there is no way in hell Ashley would give him a new deal on those terms as he'd want, and thats without taking into account the fact Ashley just wants rid Money wouldn't even be an issue here imo. The lenght of the contract - the fact of an offered contract even - much more. disagree, if he's been offered a pay rise and a long term contract from QPR then if Ashley suddenly went insane and wanted to keep him why wouldn't Barton ask for what QPR were offering Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest johnson293 Posted August 24, 2011 Share Posted August 24, 2011 Also, what this Sedgwick guy told. It seems very, very likely that he'll be away. Perhaps the only thing that could turn him around would be a phone call of the club saying they re-think his contract situation. Unlikely, unfortunately. The club have shown that they are prepared to go back and offer contracts to players that didn't sign first time (Steven Taylor), however there is clearly bad feeling from the management, and there would no re-offer now to Barton. Pretty shitty that Barton has unfollowed NUFC players already - I know its only twitter, but still. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Snrub Posted August 24, 2011 Share Posted August 24, 2011 If Barton didn't have a lot of previous there'd be a ton of clubs going for him. Clubs are staying away because of his reputation and they're afraid he'll unsettle things, not because of his ability as a player. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toon25 Posted August 24, 2011 Share Posted August 24, 2011 I was just starting to be at ease with this transfer window and what we had going into the season. Sigh. I think Barton is a decent player who's ability level is exaggerated by many on here and also by himself. It speaks volumes that the only club that has come in for him is QPR. He's not the quickest, can't really dribble, his short passing game and composure on the ball when in the middle of the park is actually very poor. I like him as a character and as a player, but really his performances over the last year have come by playing him in a position that utilised the qualities he does have to the maximum. As much as some on here seem set on playing him there, he's NOT a good central midfielder. He's not versatile and he's not a dynamic footballer, which is why I found his agent, those on here and the media spouting off about how he will go to a top 7 team quite bizarre. That being said, take him out of the side and it leaves a gaping hole down the right hand side of a settled team. The hole he leaves is similar to the one we have at left back and the one we have upfront, frankly we can't afford to weaken the team any further. You know what you're going to get from him and that's a solid performer who is vocal on the pitch and can hold the team together. Losing him without a direct, sure-fire, like for like replacement is just yet further gambling by those at the top. We're going to be nowhere near relegation and I still remain confident we'll see 2 players coming in...but it's pretty depressing that mid-table is about the best we can expect this season. I guess it makes sense to an extent, the only way you're going to get top 6 is by spending a shitload of money and the positions 7th-17th are much as a muchness to Ashley. Aslong as he can keep us in the league why should he give a fuck as a businessman to try and invest and push us a couple of places higher. The prick. Many thanks for putting a much needed positive spin on this whole farce. You're bang on in every respect. Depressing as fuck to think he'll not be replaced though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted August 24, 2011 Share Posted August 24, 2011 If Barton didn't have a lot of previous there'd be a ton of clubs going for him. Clubs are staying away because of his reputation and they're afraid he'll unsettle things, not because of his ability as a player. Like a player's reputation ever stopped Alex Ferguson from signing a player. He's not mobile enough for a top club, it's as simple as that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted August 24, 2011 Share Posted August 24, 2011 It's true: from an ownership standpoint, the benefits of placing a few places higher in the Premiership are disproportionately miniscule compared to the money you'd need to spend to do so. Yip. The big mular for football clubs comes from TV revenue, ticket sales, sponsorship etc. The 500k or so each place is worth in terms of prize money is miniscule in the grander scheme of things. It's something that I honestly think is going to happen with every club in the league pretty much. Man United, Liverpool, City and Chelsea have the funding to splash big, Arsenal and Spurs are ran well enough as businesses to cling onto their tails. Everybody else is set to be stuck behind a glass ceiling that is pointless to try and break through, because it would take an absolute fortune just to get close. Look at Villa for example, they're seemingly cutting their cloth accordingly now. 2 biggest players out for close to £40 million, one replacement in - now McLeish has been told to work with what he's got. The depressing reality is the league is going to be completely split in two from now on and the big money men are heading abroad to purchase clubs where success is easier to buy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Heneage Posted August 24, 2011 Share Posted August 24, 2011 I'm not overly concerned with the clubs desire not to offer him a new deal, but to give him away is just naive. He plays a part in this team with good crossing and committed performances. He's no world beater and in time I can see Cabaye being twice the player of Barton. In many ways I think one year suits us well, keep him in there to keep the team spirit high while bedding in the new players, then at the end of the year we offer him a lower deal or he choses to leave and we replace him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayson Posted August 24, 2011 Share Posted August 24, 2011 I was just starting to be at ease with this transfer window and what we had going into the season. Sigh. I think Barton is a decent player who's ability level is exaggerated by many on here and also by himself. It speaks volumes that the only club that has come in for him is QPR. He's not the quickest, can't really dribble, his short passing game and composure on the ball when in the middle of the park is actually very poor. I like him as a character and as a player, but really his performances over the last year have come by playing him in a position that utilised the qualities he does have to the maximum. As much as some on here seem set on playing him there, he's NOT a good central midfielder. He's not versatile and he's not a dynamic footballer, which is why I found his agent, those on here and the media spouting off about how he will go to a top 7 team quite bizarre. That being said, take him out of the side and it leaves a gaping hole down the right hand side of a settled team. The hole he leaves is similar to the one we have at left back and the one we have upfront, frankly we can't afford to weaken the team any further. You know what you're going to get from him and that's a solid performer who is vocal on the pitch and can hold the team together. Losing him without a direct, sure-fire, like for like replacement is just yet further gambling by those at the top. We're going to be nowhere near relegation and I still remain confident we'll see 2 players coming in...but it's pretty depressing that mid-table is about the best we can expect this season. I guess it makes sense to an extent, the only way you're going to get top 6 is by spending a shitload of money and the positions 7th-17th are much as a muchness to Ashley. Aslong as he can keep us in the league why should he give a f*** as a businessman to try and invest and push us a couple of places higher. The prick. Top post It's true: from an ownership standpoint, the benefits of placing a few places higher in the Premiership are disproportionately miniscule compared to the money you'd need to spend to do so. Near 1m per league position isnt it. So finish 3 places higher with Barton than without & he pays off his contract + more. Keep in mind that 3 more points last season & we'd have been on the same points total as the team 4 places higher up. Thats ignoring the potential for a better squad to do better in cups and earn more again by getting further. Also the benefit of just generally having our club do better all round in terms of how that affects the way other players & our own would feel about our potential to achieve. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colocho Posted August 24, 2011 Share Posted August 24, 2011 It's true: from an ownership standpoint, the benefits of placing a few places higher in the Premiership are disproportionately miniscule compared to the money you'd need to spend to do so. Yip. The big mular for football clubs comes from TV revenue, ticket sales, sponsorship etc. The 500k or so each place is worth in terms of prize money is miniscule in the grander scheme of things. It's something that I honestly think is going to happen with every club in the league pretty much. Man United, Liverpool, City and Chelsea have the funding to splash big, Arsenal and Spurs are ran well enough as businesses to cling onto their tails. Everybody else is set to be stuck behind a glass ceiling that is pointless to try and break through, because it would take an absolute fortune just to get close. Look at Villa for example, they're seemingly cutting their cloth accordingly now. 2 biggest players out for close to £40 million, one replacement in - now McLeish has been told to work with what he's got. The depressing reality is the league is going to be completely split in two from now on and the big money men are heading abroad to purchase clubs where success is easier to buy. Where do you think our TV revenue, ticket sales, sponsorship money etc is going? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Haris Vuckic Posted August 24, 2011 Share Posted August 24, 2011 Back to championship for the man of the people then. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sifu Posted August 24, 2011 Share Posted August 24, 2011 I'm not overly concerned with the clubs desire not to offer him a new deal, but to give him away is just naive. He plays a part in this team with good crossing and committed performances. He's no world beater and in time I can see Cabaye being twice the player of Barton. In many ways I think one year suits us well, keep him in there to keep the team spirit high while bedding in the new players, then at the end of the year we offer him a lower deal or he choses to leave and we replace him. Would have been the ideal situation given the circumstances of the last few months. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted August 24, 2011 Share Posted August 24, 2011 Many thanks for putting a much needed positive spin on this whole farce. You're bang on in every respect. Depressing as fuck to think he'll not be replaced though. Cheers. I wouldn't say it's a positive spin, more a cynical look at where we are as a football club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted August 24, 2011 Share Posted August 24, 2011 It's true: from an ownership standpoint, the benefits of placing a few places higher in the Premiership are disproportionately miniscule compared to the money you'd need to spend to do so. Yip. The big mular for football clubs comes from TV revenue, ticket sales, sponsorship etc. The 500k or so each place is worth in terms of prize money is miniscule in the grander scheme of things. It's something that I honestly think is going to happen with every club in the league pretty much. Man United, Liverpool, City and Chelsea have the funding to splash big, Arsenal and Spurs are ran well enough as businesses to cling onto their tails. Everybody else is set to be stuck behind a glass ceiling that is pointless to try and break through, because it would take an absolute fortune just to get close. Look at Villa for example, they're seemingly cutting their cloth accordingly now. 2 biggest players out for close to £40 million, one replacement in - now McLeish has been told to work with what he's got. The depressing reality is the league is going to be completely split in two from now on and the big money men are heading abroad to purchase clubs where success is easier to buy. Where do you think our TV revenue, ticket sales, sponsorship money etc is going? On the roulette table innit! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtype Posted August 24, 2011 Share Posted August 24, 2011 It's true: from an ownership standpoint, the benefits of placing a few places higher in the Premiership are disproportionately miniscule compared to the money you'd need to spend to do so. Yip. The big mular for football clubs comes from TV revenue, ticket sales, sponsorship etc. The 500k or so each place is worth in terms of prize money is miniscule in the grander scheme of things. It's something that I honestly think is going to happen with every club in the league pretty much. Man United, Liverpool, City and Chelsea have the funding to splash big, Arsenal and Spurs are ran well enough as businesses to cling onto their tails. Everybody else is set to be stuck behind a glass ceiling that is pointless to try and break through, because it would take an absolute fortune just to get close. Look at Villa for example, they're seemingly cutting their cloth accordingly now. 2 biggest players out for close to £40 million, one replacement in - now McLeish has been told to work with what he's got. The depressing reality is the league is going to be completely split in two from now on and the big money men are heading abroad to purchase clubs where success is easier to buy. Honestly, if you look at transfer activity outside of the top six (or top five even, don't think Spurs' moment in the sun is going to last much longer,) it's like everyone has just given up. Trying to fluke a CL place was a valid strategy when the "elite" was only four teams. Good luck with that now. Wish Arabs would just buy everyone or something. Just to make it fair.Don't give a shit about doing things "the right way" anymore Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayson Posted August 24, 2011 Share Posted August 24, 2011 I'm not overly concerned with the clubs desire not to offer him a new deal, but to give him away is just naive. He plays a part in this team with good crossing and committed performances. He's no world beater and in time I can see Cabaye being twice the player of Barton. In many ways I think one year suits us well, keep him in there to keep the team spirit high while bedding in the new players, then at the end of the year we offer him a lower deal or he choses to leave and we replace him. Would have been the ideal situation given the circumstances of the last few months. Would have been the sensible approach for me yes. Think most would understand us being unwilling to offer him what he wants on a long term deal. To push him out a year early is underestimating the potential benefits of keeping him around quite largely id say. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted August 24, 2011 Share Posted August 24, 2011 If Barton didn't have a lot of previous there'd be a ton of clubs going for him. Clubs are staying away because of his reputation and they're afraid he'll unsettle things, not because of his ability as a player. No top club would go near him, man, and it's nothing to do with his repuation. I don't understand how people can watch the likes of Man United play the other night, or Arsenal and Spurs at their best and think he could fit into their midfields. He'd be a fish out of water, man. I'm surprised somebody like Stoke or another mid-table club hasn't put the cash up for him, mind. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtype Posted August 24, 2011 Share Posted August 24, 2011 I was just starting to be at ease with this transfer window and what we had going into the season. Sigh. I think Barton is a decent player who's ability level is exaggerated by many on here and also by himself. It speaks volumes that the only club that has come in for him is QPR. He's not the quickest, can't really dribble, his short passing game and composure on the ball when in the middle of the park is actually very poor. I like him as a character and as a player, but really his performances over the last year have come by playing him in a position that utilised the qualities he does have to the maximum. As much as some on here seem set on playing him there, he's NOT a good central midfielder. He's not versatile and he's not a dynamic footballer, which is why I found his agent, those on here and the media spouting off about how he will go to a top 7 team quite bizarre. That being said, take him out of the side and it leaves a gaping hole down the right hand side of a settled team. The hole he leaves is similar to the one we have at left back and the one we have upfront, frankly we can't afford to weaken the team any further. You know what you're going to get from him and that's a solid performer who is vocal on the pitch and can hold the team together. Losing him without a direct, sure-fire, like for like replacement is just yet further gambling by those at the top. We're going to be nowhere near relegation and I still remain confident we'll see 2 players coming in...but it's pretty depressing that mid-table is about the best we can expect this season. I guess it makes sense to an extent, the only way you're going to get top 6 is by spending a shitload of money and the positions 7th-17th are much as a muchness to Ashley. Aslong as he can keep us in the league why should he give a f*** as a businessman to try and invest and push us a couple of places higher. The prick. Top post It's true: from an ownership standpoint, the benefits of placing a few places higher in the Premiership are disproportionately miniscule compared to the money you'd need to spend to do so. Near 1m per league position isnt it. So finish 3 places higher with Barton than without & he pays off his contract + more. Keep in mind that 3 more points last season & we'd have been on the same points total as the team 4 places higher up. Thats ignoring the potential for a better squad to do better in cups and earn more again by getting further. Also the benefit of just generally having our club do better all round in terms of how that affects the way other players & our own would feel about our potential to achieve. It's a crapshot. No single player is going to guarantee a higher league finish and with most "good" players costing close to 10m or more, it's just not worth it. The idea of gradual progress is also completely and utterly pointless. There's a big fucking concrete wall staring us in the face and nobody is getting past it without plunking 50m+ in a single summer, regardless of how many best practices they've employed over the years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted August 24, 2011 Share Posted August 24, 2011 I'm not overly concerned with the clubs desire not to offer him a new deal, but to give him away is just naive. He plays a part in this team with good crossing and committed performances. He's no world beater and in time I can see Cabaye being twice the player of Barton. In many ways I think one year suits us well, keep him in there to keep the team spirit high while bedding in the new players, then at the end of the year we offer him a lower deal or he choses to leave and we replace him. I think team spirit might be better once he goes. Not to say he wasn't good previously in that aspect, but the changes to the squad have clearly rankled him and it might be better to build a team spirit around different characters who don't have as much animosity to their employers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ykmkmdd Posted August 24, 2011 Share Posted August 24, 2011 Honestly, if you look at transfer activity outside of the top six (or top five even, don't think Spurs' moment in the sun is going to last much longer,) it's like everyone has just given up. Trying to fluke a CL place was a valid strategy when the "elite" was only four teams. Good luck with that now. That's an excellent point - was looking at the transfers of every club a couple of days ago and was amazed how little movement there's been outside of the CL clubs - we've already brought in more than most..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toon25 Posted August 24, 2011 Share Posted August 24, 2011 It's true: from an ownership standpoint, the benefits of placing a few places higher in the Premiership are disproportionately miniscule compared to the money you'd need to spend to do so. Yip. The big mular for football clubs comes from TV revenue, ticket sales, sponsorship etc. The 500k or so each place is worth in terms of prize money is miniscule in the grander scheme of things. It's something that I honestly think is going to happen with every club in the league pretty much. Man United, Liverpool, City and Chelsea have the funding to splash big, Arsenal and Spurs are ran well enough as businesses to cling onto their tails. Everybody else is set to be stuck behind a glass ceiling that is pointless to try and break through, because it would take an absolute fortune just to get close. Look at Villa for example, they're seemingly cutting their cloth accordingly now. 2 biggest players out for close to £40 million, one replacement in - now McLeish has been told to work with what he's got. The depressing reality is the league is going to be completely split in two from now on and the big money men are heading abroad to purchase clubs where success is easier to buy. Honestly, if you look at transfer activity outside of the top six (or top five even, don't think Spurs' moment in the sun is going to last much longer,) it's like everyone has just given up. Trying to fluke a CL place was a valid strategy when the "elite" was only four teams. Good luck with that now. Wish Arabs would just buy everyone or something. Just to make it fair. Honestly wish we'd just get bought by Arabs. Don't give a shit about doing things "the right way" anymore Wouldn't be half as fun though. Who would exchange the roller coaster of the Toon, which can take you from derby day joy to the deepest darkest chasms of despair in just 3 days, for relative stability, a bottomless pit of money, world class players and the prospect of major trophies? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
womblemaster Posted August 24, 2011 Share Posted August 24, 2011 tink this is accurate..... `I think Barton is a decent player who's ability level is exaggerated by many on here and also by himself. It speaks volumes that the only club that has come in for him is QPR. He's not the quickest, can't really dribble, his short passing game and composure on the ball when in the middle of the park is actually very poor. I like him as a character and as a player, but really his performances over the last year have come by playing him in a position that utilised the qualities he does have to the maximum. As much as some on here seem set on playing him there, he's NOT a good central midfielder. He's not versatile and he's not a dynamic footballer, which is why I found his agent, those on here and the media spouting off about how he will go to a top 7 team quite bizarre.` suprising as it was posted by a gobshite. However if obertan was his replacement then i am very underwhelmed. Barnetta plz. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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