Joey Barton (now retired)

[Cajun]

As Nut said on the last page, we will be ahead of Barton and Nolan for the rest of their careers. I have absolutely no doubt of that.

 

As long as they are at shit clubs performing better than they should then I suppose they still win though.

[Dave]

In fact I see a situation where if West Ham fail to go up/QPR go down, we'll see both Nolan & Barton loaned out pretty much annually to newly promoted clubs or relegation strugglers where West Ham & QPR still have to pay a big chunk of their wages.

 

To me, ambition is trying to get somewhere, trying to better yourself no matter what.

 

Whether you actually achieve it or not is a whole different story.

[Cajun]

'Bartons's greedy, Keegan's greedy, Shearer's greedy, Nolan's greedy, Carroll's greedy, Enrique's greedy...la,la,la,la,la,la,la,la,la not listening' ad f***ing infinitum.

 

Barton - Left for a much bigger wage than he merits

Keegan - The club were proven wrong here

Shearer - Contract was up, he hadn't exactly shown signs of being much of a manager to get us up, don't see an issue here.

Nolan - Left for a much bigger wage and length contract than he merits.

Carroll - We got a lot more than his market value, he got a massive payrise, joined a bigger club.

Enrique - Wouldn't sign new contract, joined a bigger club.

 

Nothing to do with the club then? Thought not...

 

Your seeing it black and white, as many have said there is blame on all sides, your just ranting away, you have some valid points but they are being lost in your anger.

 

Okay, let's take Barton. The board in a fit of pique put a valuable member of the team on what is essentially a free transfer. Nolan I wouldn't have given the length of contract, but his comments about promises made sound depressingly familiar. Keegan was vindicated by an industrial injuries tribunal. Enrique may well have refused to sign a new contract but had made it abundantly clear that he believed the club lacked ambition. The Carroll deal moneywise was a very good deal, but is looking less like one every day without an adequate strikeforce. Shearer presumably wanted more than ju-ju beans and a curly-wurly as his transfer budget (or wanted £700 million for Messi et al depending who you believe).

 

So no, it's not black and white, but with every exit through the door the ringing chimes of 'mercenary' or 'greedy' is as disheartening as it is groundhog day-esque. Yes, everyone knows footballers can be greedy and arseholes to boot, but I'd wager that the underlying problem is more to do with Ashley's complete and utter lack of ambition. And again, although there's nothing you or I can do about that does not make it right or acceptable. The t***'s making supporting this club a sufferance than a labour of love.

 

I'm yet to see one person call them greedy or a mercenary btw. Plenty of people understanding why they'd take a payrise in two cases, or join a bigger club in the other two.

 

You only need to look at previous posts on this very forum to see Enrique, Carroll and Nolan having those very same epiphets tossed in their general direction, liberally or otherwise. Again though, it's missing the underlying reason why - Ashley has no ambition for this club and seemingly could not care less where the club finishes as long as we avoid relegation.

 

And yet two of those players are quite happy to join a recently relegated team, and a team who'll be lucky to survive...cool.

 

Which reinforces my point - they'd rather join such clubs that at least have a sliver of ambition than stay at a club they know, or at least feel, won't be going anywhere. No alarms and no suprises, as Mr Yorke once opined.

 

I'll bet you £50 that QPR & West Ham don't finish above Newcastle for as long as Barton & Nolan are there.

 

As long as Warlock Warnock and Easter Island noggin are in charge of those respective clubs, I wouldn't even bet you a pair of orthopaedic shoes that even Norwich won't finish ahead of them. If you're going to question the stature or current staus of the clubs they've joined or about to join, what on earth does that say about us? It's the equivalent of your lass finishing you for a speccy 18 stone geek with a WOW obsession, laughing heartily at him then thinking to yourself, 'hang on...'

 

These ambitious clubs have managers that won't progress them? Hmm surely ambitious clubs won't accept that?

[JH]

In fact I see a situation where if West Ham fail to go up/QPR go down, we'll see both Nolan & Barton loaned out pretty much annually to newly promoted clubs or relegation strugglers where West Ham & QPR still have to pay a big chunk of their wages.

 

To me, ambition is trying to get somewhere, trying to better yourself no matter what.

 

Whether you actually achieve it or not is a whole different story.

 

[Guest]

If QPR & West Ham had offered what the players were probably valued at in terms of wages, they'd not have joined them in a million years.

[PineBarrens]

'Bartons's greedy, Keegan's greedy, Shearer's greedy, Nolan's greedy, Carroll's greedy, Enrique's greedy...la,la,la,la,la,la,la,la,la not listening' ad f***ing infinitum.

 

Barton - Left for a much bigger wage than he merits

Keegan - The club were proven wrong here

Shearer - Contract was up, he hadn't exactly shown signs of being much of a manager to get us up, don't see an issue here.

Nolan - Left for a much bigger wage and length contract than he merits.

Carroll - We got a lot more than his market value, he got a massive payrise, joined a bigger club.

Enrique - Wouldn't sign new contract, joined a bigger club.

 

Nothing to do with the club then? Thought not...

 

Your seeing it black and white, as many have said there is blame on all sides, your just ranting away, you have some valid points but they are being lost in your anger.

 

Okay, let's take Barton. The board in a fit of pique put a valuable member of the team on what is essentially a free transfer. Nolan I wouldn't have given the length of contract, but his comments about promises made sound depressingly familiar. Keegan was vindicated by an industrial injuries tribunal. Enrique may well have refused to sign a new contract but had made it abundantly clear that he believed the club lacked ambition. The Carroll deal moneywise was a very good deal, but is looking less like one every day without an adequate strikeforce. Shearer presumably wanted more than ju-ju beans and a curly-wurly as his transfer budget (or wanted £700 million for Messi et al depending who you believe).

 

So no, it's not black and white, but with every exit through the door the ringing chimes of 'mercenary' or 'greedy' is as disheartening as it is groundhog day-esque. Yes, everyone knows footballers can be greedy and arseholes to boot, but I'd wager that the underlying problem is more to do with Ashley's complete and utter lack of ambition. And again, although there's nothing you or I can do about that does not make it right or acceptable. The t***'s making supporting this club a sufferance than a labour of love.

 

I'm yet to see one person call them greedy or a mercenary btw. Plenty of people understanding why they'd take a payrise in two cases, or join a bigger club in the other two.

 

You only need to look at previous posts on this very forum to see Enrique, Carroll and Nolan having those very same epiphets tossed in their general direction, liberally or otherwise. Again though, it's missing the underlying reason why - Ashley has no ambition for this club and seemingly could not care less where the club finishes as long as we avoid relegation.

 

And yet two of those players are quite happy to join a recently relegated team, and a team who'll be lucky to survive...cool.

 

Which reinforces my point - they'd rather join such clubs that at least have a sliver of ambition than stay at a club they know, or at least feel, won't be going anywhere. No alarms and no suprises, as Mr Yorke once opined.

 

I'll bet you £50 that QPR & West Ham don't finish above Newcastle for as long as Barton & Nolan are there.

 

As long as Warlock Warnock and Easter Island noggin are in charge of those respective clubs, I wouldn't even bet you a pair of orthopaedic shoes that even Norwich won't finish ahead of them. If you're going to question the stature or current staus of the clubs they've joined or about to join, what on earth does that say about us? It's the equivalent of your lass finishing you for a speccy 18 stone geek with a WOW obsession, laughing heartily at him then thinking to yourself, 'hang on...'

 

These ambitious clubs have managers that won't progress them? Hmm surely ambitious clubs won't accept that?

 

And who's to say they'll last long there? As long as Ashley remains in charge of NUFC this club will get nowhere. The model was Arsenal, now we're Wigan Athletic with a cold breeze.

[JH]

If QPR & West Ham had offered what the players were probably valued at in terms of wages, they'd not have joined them in a million years.

 

If we'd offered what the players were valued at in terms of wages and contracts, I believe they'd still be here.

[MW]

If QPR & West Ham had offered what the players were probably valued at in terms of wages, they'd not have joined them in a million years.

 

If we'd offered what the players were valued at in terms of wages and contracts, I believe they'd still be here.

 

not nolan though, not need to give him a contract that he wanted with 2 years left

[Guest]

If QPR & West Ham had offered what the players were probably valued at in terms of wages, they'd not have joined them in a million years.

 

If we'd offered what the players were valued at in terms of wages and contracts, I believe they'd still be here.

 

You think Nolan & Barton are worth more than staying here on contracts until 2014 on £40-50k do you?

[JH]

If QPR & West Ham had offered what the players were probably valued at in terms of wages, they'd not have joined them in a million years.

 

If we'd offered what the players were valued at in terms of wages and contracts, I believe they'd still be here.

 

You think Nolan & Barton are worth more than staying here on contracts until 2014 on £40-50k do you?

 

What? Where did I say that? Who knows what they were offered. We're all speculating here.

[Hanshithispantz]

If we hadn't have wrapped Barton up in a pretty bow and gifted him to QPR he'd still be here. Warnock probably cannot believe his luck.

[Zero]

If QPR & West Ham had offered what the players were probably valued at in terms of wages, they'd not have joined them in a million years.

 

If we'd offered what the players were valued at in terms of wages and contracts, I believe they'd still be here.

 

You think Nolan & Barton are worth more than staying here on contracts until 2014 on £40-50k do you?

 

Money is never an issue for JH and Dave.  Give up.

[Dave]

If QPR & West Ham had offered what the players were probably valued at in terms of wages, they'd not have joined them in a million years.

 

If we'd offered what the players were valued at in terms of wages and contracts, I believe they'd still be here.

 

You think Nolan & Barton are worth more than staying here on contracts until 2014 on £40-50k do you?

 

Money is never an issue for JH and Dave.  Give up.

 

 

That's right, I long for the day we 'do a Portsmouth' etc. Keep telling yourself that.

[PineBarrens]

The worst aspect of this stuff and nonsense is we should all be basking in the warm afterglow of yet another heartening derby win against the pallion stallions, yet instead we're reduced to quibbling about the running of this football club - I detest that blubbering mess and his mute-like assistant for that alone.

[JH]

If QPR & West Ham had offered what the players were probably valued at in terms of wages, they'd not have joined them in a million years.

 

If we'd offered what the players were valued at in terms of wages and contracts, I believe they'd still be here.

 

You think Nolan & Barton are worth more than staying here on contracts until 2014 on £40-50k do you?

 

Money is never an issue for JH and Dave.  Give up.

 

I love this forum sometimes.

 

Aye, I'd have given Nolan and Barton six-year contracts on £100k per week. fuck it, might as well give Shola the same.

[Guest]

If QPR & West Ham had offered what the players were probably valued at in terms of wages, they'd not have joined them in a million years.

 

If we'd offered what the players were valued at in terms of wages and contracts, I believe they'd still be here.

 

You think Nolan & Barton are worth more than staying here on contracts until 2014 on £40-50k do you?

 

What? Where did I say that? Who knows what they were offered. We're all speculating here.

 

You've just said you think if we'd offered what they were valued at, they'd have stayed. I think it's pretty obvious from what West Ham paid Nolan, and what Barton is now on at QPR coupled with what McKay said in April/May that this isn't the case.

[Beren]

If QPR & West Ham had offered what the players were probably valued at in terms of wages, they'd not have joined them in a million years.

 

I can't see how you can say/believe that with such steadfast conviction. Especially re: Barton.

[Yorkie]

Infuriated by this. In Barton-Tiote-Cabaye we finally had a centre-mid that would absolutely dominate the majority of others in the league. Hey ho, two steps backward.

[Guest]

If QPR & West Ham had offered what the players were probably valued at in terms of wages, they'd not have joined them in a million years.

 

I can't see how you can say/believe that with such steadfast conviction. Especially re: Barton.

 

Do you think Nolan would have left for West Ham if they hadn't offered him £55k a week for 5-years?

Do you think Barton would have left for QPR if they hadn't offered him £80k a week?

[JH]

If QPR & West Ham had offered what the players were probably valued at in terms of wages, they'd not have joined them in a million years.

 

If we'd offered what the players were valued at in terms of wages and contracts, I believe they'd still be here.

 

You think Nolan & Barton are worth more than staying here on contracts until 2014 on £40-50k do you?

 

What? Where did I say that? Who knows what they were offered. We're all speculating here.

 

You've just said you think if we'd offered what they were valued at, they'd have stayed. I think it's pretty obvious from what West Ham paid Nolan, and what Barton is now on at QPR coupled with what McKay said in April/May that this isn't the case.

 

And what has what they were offered got to do with what they are worth?

 

I think both would have stayed if given a fair option to stay.

[Guest]

If QPR & West Ham had offered what the players were probably valued at in terms of wages, they'd not have joined them in a million years.

 

If we'd offered what the players were valued at in terms of wages and contracts, I believe they'd still be here.

 

You think Nolan & Barton are worth more than staying here on contracts until 2014 on £40-50k do you?

 

What? Where did I say that? Who knows what they were offered. We're all speculating here.

 

You've just said you think if we'd offered what they were valued at, they'd have stayed. I think it's pretty obvious from what West Ham paid Nolan, and what Barton is now on at QPR coupled with what McKay said in April/May that this isn't the case.

 

And what has what they were offered got to do with what they are worth?

 

I think both would have stayed if given a fair option to stay.

 

This is where we disagree then.

[Beren]

If QPR & West Ham had offered what the players were probably valued at in terms of wages, they'd not have joined them in a million years.

 

I can't see how you can say/believe that with such steadfast conviction. Especially re: Barton.

 

Do you think Nolan would have left for West Ham if they hadn't offered him £55k a week for 5-years?

Do you think Barton would have left for QPR if they hadn't offered him £80k a week?

 

Nolan - I assume not, but don't know with any certainty.

 

Barton - I assume he would have left for less - again with no certainty, but more power to him/his agent for negotiating that much.

[JH]

If QPR & West Ham had offered what the players were probably valued at in terms of wages, they'd not have joined them in a million years.

 

If we'd offered what the players were valued at in terms of wages and contracts, I believe they'd still be here.

 

You think Nolan & Barton are worth more than staying here on contracts until 2014 on £40-50k do you?

 

What? Where did I say that? Who knows what they were offered. We're all speculating here.

 

You've just said you think if we'd offered what they were valued at, they'd have stayed. I think it's pretty obvious from what West Ham paid Nolan, and what Barton is now on at QPR coupled with what McKay said in April/May that this isn't the case.

 

And what has what they were offered got to do with what they are worth?

 

I think both would have stayed if given a fair option to stay.

 

This is where we disagree then.

 

Really?!

[Sifu]

Infuriated by this. In Barton-Tiote-Cabaye we finally had a centre-mid that would absolutely dominate the majority of others in the league. Hey ho, two steps backward.

 

[powellnufc]

Would Nolan get into our first 11 team sheet right now, with Tiote and Cabaye in the centre, no chance, so why keep him in a relatively large contract when someone like Gosling would be more then adequate replacement