Joey Barton (now retired)

[Theregulars]

Not surprised that people like Lee Ryder, who are used to dealing with the average footballer, like Joey Barton. I would probably like him as well if I knew him personally, and he is more down to earth than the average player.

 

But that doesn't mask his obvious character flaws or mean it is right for him to be talking s*** about NUFC in public.

 

His opinion is a valid one.

 

You may not like what he has to say but he's been closer to the regime than anyone on this board which gives his views some gravitas.

 

I know his opinion is a valid one, I just don't agree with it.

 

And whether he's close to the regime or not is irrelevant to my criticism, Barton should keep his mouth shut whether he's right or wrong.

 

Where has keeping your mouth shut ever got you? I proudly participated in chants of SOUNESS OUT repeatedly at SJP and I'd like to think that helped to get him sacked.

 

You're a fan of NUFC, that's fine. Barton is a professional footballer who plays for QPR. There's a lot of distance between those two.

 

I'd disagree, I think Barton is a fan of NUFC too. Firstly, I still believe that players, while loyalty is dead, feel some sentiment for clubs they play for and probably want them to succeed if they aren't f***ed over by them. Secondly, I believe him when he says that he felt an affinity for the place, not least as he has become less of a volatile, crime-happy vagabond at NUFC, and likely (or so I would hope) appreciates our patience with him.

 

If he appreciates our patience with him then why is he giving us a hard time? The same people who chose not to sack him when he went to prison are the people he's having a go at now.

 

Anyway, pointless discussion really, I just think Barton is now a QPR player and should show some professionalism and mind his own business. Whether he has any affection for NUFC is beside the point.

 

They never chose not to sack him, they've made previous attempts to flog him and done so in an overtly public manner, they just couldn't shift him, primarily as due to his past mistakes nobody say him as a risk worth taking, especially as he was basically still in/fresh out of jail. As soon as they finally found a willing bidder he was off. I opine that had any club come in with a serious bid in a window before this one it would have been made very clear to him that he was not wanted here.

 

There's nothing unprofessional about what he's doing. He's a professional footballer, ergo perfectly entitled to criticise an unjust issue within his profession, that profession being football, especially about a professional football club for whom he exercised his professional skills.

[Theregulars]

Not surprised that people like Lee Ryder, who are used to dealing with the average footballer, like Joey Barton. I would probably like him as well if I knew him personally, and he is more down to earth than the average player.

 

But that doesn't mask his obvious character flaws or mean it is right for him to be talking s*** about NUFC in public.

 

His opinion is a valid one.

 

You may not like what he has to say but he's been closer to the regime than anyone on this board which gives his views some gravitas.

 

I know his opinion is a valid one, I just don't agree with it.

 

And whether he's close to the regime or not is irrelevant to my criticism, Barton should keep his mouth shut whether he's right or wrong.

 

Where has keeping your mouth shut ever got you? I proudly participated in chants of SOUNESS OUT repeatedly at SJP and I'd like to think that helped to get him sacked.

 

You're a fan of NUFC, that's fine. Barton is a professional footballer who plays for QPR. There's a lot of distance between those two.

 

I'd disagree, I think Barton is a fan of NUFC too. Firstly, I still believe that players, while loyalty is dead, feel some sentiment for clubs they play for and probably want them to succeed if they aren't f***ed over by them. Secondly, I believe him when he says that he felt an affinity for the place, not least as he has become less of a volatile, crime-happy vagabond at NUFC, and likely (or so I would hope) appreciates our patience with him.

 

Keep believing that, but IMO you're 100% wrong.

 

Footballers are all twats that do what is best for themselves.

 

So you believe no footballer ever has sentimental attachment to clubs they've played for? See the line up on soccer saturday for proof of why you're wrong.

 

These days, no.

 

When football used to be football, absolutely.

 

I would disagree, there are still players out there (absolutely less so than in the past, you are correct) who support their clubs and feel sentiment towards them. When we went down, Steven Taylor made it very clear that he wanted to stay and help out immediately. Gerrard at Liverpool is another, Giggs and Scholes at United...

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Not surprised that people like Lee Ryder, who are used to dealing with the average footballer, like Joey Barton. I would probably like him as well if I knew him personally, and he is more down to earth than the average player.

 

But that doesn't mask his obvious character flaws or mean it is right for him to be talking s*** about NUFC in public.

 

His opinion is a valid one.

 

You may not like what he has to say but he's been closer to the regime than anyone on this board which gives his views some gravitas.

 

I know his opinion is a valid one, I just don't agree with it.

 

And whether he's close to the regime or not is irrelevant to my criticism, Barton should keep his mouth shut whether he's right or wrong.

 

Where has keeping your mouth shut ever got you? I proudly participated in chants of SOUNESS OUT repeatedly at SJP and I'd like to think that helped to get him sacked.

 

You're a fan of NUFC, that's fine. Barton is a professional footballer who plays for QPR. There's a lot of distance between those two.

 

I'd disagree, I think Barton is a fan of NUFC too. Firstly, I still believe that players, while loyalty is dead, feel some sentiment for clubs they play for and probably want them to succeed if they aren't f***ed over by them. Secondly, I believe him when he says that he felt an affinity for the place, not least as he has become less of a volatile, crime-happy vagabond at NUFC, and likely (or so I would hope) appreciates our patience with him.

 

If he appreciates our patience with him then why is he giving us a hard time? The same people who chose not to sack him when he went to prison are the people he's having a go at now.

 

Anyway, pointless discussion really, I just think Barton is now a QPR player and should show some professionalism and mind his own business. Whether he has any affection for NUFC is beside the point.

 

They never chose not to sack him, they've made previous attempts to flog him and done so in an overtly public manner, they just couldn't shift him, primarily as due to his past mistakes nobody say him as a risk worth taking, especially as he was basically still in/fresh out of jail. As soon as they finally found a willing bidder he was off. I opine that had any club come in with a serious bid in a window before this one it would have been made very clear to him that he was not wanted here.

 

There's nothing unprofessional about what he's doing. He's a professional footballer, ergo perfectly entitled to criticise an unjust issue within his profession, that profession being football, especially about a professional football club for whom he exercised his professional skills.

 

Sorry, that's nonsense, it's not professional to air your grievances in public.

 

On the sacking thing I don't know, I'm pretty sure we could have terminated his contract if we had wanted. Anyway, that wasn't my argument, I was just responding to you saying we had shown patience with him, which we have.

[hoppaz]

Can we have the thread title changed to "The Joey Barton Show"?

 

Cos between the player, his ego, his gob and Twitter we not half have a team of entertainers.

[summerof69]

Not surprised that people like Lee Ryder, who are used to dealing with the average footballer, like Joey Barton. I would probably like him as well if I knew him personally, and he is more down to earth than the average player.

 

But that doesn't mask his obvious character flaws or mean it is right for him to be talking s*** about NUFC in public.

 

His opinion is a valid one.

 

You may not like what he has to say but he's been closer to the regime than anyone on this board which gives his views some gravitas.

 

I know his opinion is a valid one, I just don't agree with it.

 

And whether he's close to the regime or not is irrelevant to my criticism, Barton should keep his mouth shut whether he's right or wrong.

 

Where has keeping your mouth shut ever got you? I proudly participated in chants of SOUNESS OUT repeatedly at SJP and I'd like to think that helped to get him sacked.

 

You're a fan of NUFC, that's fine. Barton is a professional footballer who plays for QPR. There's a lot of distance between those two.

 

I'd disagree, I think Barton is a fan of NUFC too. Firstly, I still believe that players, while loyalty is dead, feel some sentiment for clubs they play for and probably want them to succeed if they aren't f***ed over by them. Secondly, I believe him when he says that he felt an affinity for the place, not least as he has become less of a volatile, crime-happy vagabond at NUFC, and likely (or so I would hope) appreciates our patience with him.

 

If he appreciates our patience with him then why is he giving us a hard time? The same people who chose not to sack him when he went to prison are the people he's having a go at now.

 

Anyway, pointless discussion really, I just think Barton is now a QPR player and should show some professionalism and mind his own business. Whether he has any affection for NUFC is beside the point.

 

 

 

he is maybe giving "us"(by us i mean the board) a hard time because he doesn't like fans being lied too and also didn't Mike Ashely want to sack Barton but Keegan wanted to keep him ? And personally i am glad that Barton is highlighting these things the truth needs to be known, the only thing i would say is that if i was Q.P.R fan i would be dissapointed to see Barton fawning over another club.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

The idea that the unbiased truth comes from Joey Barton is insane though, even people who hate Ashley in the extreme must be able to see that he has a load of self interest, bitterness and self importance motivating him to say these things.

[Theregulars]

Not surprised that people like Lee Ryder, who are used to dealing with the average footballer, like Joey Barton. I would probably like him as well if I knew him personally, and he is more down to earth than the average player.

 

But that doesn't mask his obvious character flaws or mean it is right for him to be talking s*** about NUFC in public.

 

His opinion is a valid one.

 

You may not like what he has to say but he's been closer to the regime than anyone on this board which gives his views some gravitas.

 

I know his opinion is a valid one, I just don't agree with it.

 

And whether he's close to the regime or not is irrelevant to my criticism, Barton should keep his mouth shut whether he's right or wrong.

 

Where has keeping your mouth shut ever got you? I proudly participated in chants of SOUNESS OUT repeatedly at SJP and I'd like to think that helped to get him sacked.

 

You're a fan of NUFC, that's fine. Barton is a professional footballer who plays for QPR. There's a lot of distance between those two.

 

I'd disagree, I think Barton is a fan of NUFC too. Firstly, I still believe that players, while loyalty is dead, feel some sentiment for clubs they play for and probably want them to succeed if they aren't f***ed over by them. Secondly, I believe him when he says that he felt an affinity for the place, not least as he has become less of a volatile, crime-happy vagabond at NUFC, and likely (or so I would hope) appreciates our patience with him.

 

If he appreciates our patience with him then why is he giving us a hard time? The same people who chose not to sack him when he went to prison are the people he's having a go at now.

 

Anyway, pointless discussion really, I just think Barton is now a QPR player and should show some professionalism and mind his own business. Whether he has any affection for NUFC is beside the point.

 

 

 

he is maybe giving "us"(by us i mean the board) a hard time because he doesn't like fans being lied too and also didn't Mike Ashely want to sack Barton but Keegan wanted to keep him ? And personally i am glad that Barton is highlighting these things the truth needs to be known, the only thing i would say is that if i was Q.P.R fan i would be dissapointed to see Barton fawning over another club.

 

Any QPR fan with a shred of intelligence understands that if our club wasn't rotten from the core a player of his caliber wouldn't be lining up for them. I'm sure they'll deal with the media spotlight that it brings instead of watching a less talented player in their side.

[Guest H09]

I just look back at how everyone laughed at Keegan and told him he was bitter as fuck and should shut up because he looks desperate... and what he said turned out to be true...

 

 

[Theregulars]

Not surprised that people like Lee Ryder, who are used to dealing with the average footballer, like Joey Barton. I would probably like him as well if I knew him personally, and he is more down to earth than the average player.

 

But that doesn't mask his obvious character flaws or mean it is right for him to be talking s*** about NUFC in public.

 

His opinion is a valid one.

 

You may not like what he has to say but he's been closer to the regime than anyone on this board which gives his views some gravitas.

 

I know his opinion is a valid one, I just don't agree with it.

 

And whether he's close to the regime or not is irrelevant to my criticism, Barton should keep his mouth shut whether he's right or wrong.

 

Where has keeping your mouth shut ever got you? I proudly participated in chants of SOUNESS OUT repeatedly at SJP and I'd like to think that helped to get him sacked.

 

You're a fan of NUFC, that's fine. Barton is a professional footballer who plays for QPR. There's a lot of distance between those two.

 

I'd disagree, I think Barton is a fan of NUFC too. Firstly, I still believe that players, while loyalty is dead, feel some sentiment for clubs they play for and probably want them to succeed if they aren't f***ed over by them. Secondly, I believe him when he says that he felt an affinity for the place, not least as he has become less of a volatile, crime-happy vagabond at NUFC, and likely (or so I would hope) appreciates our patience with him.

 

If he appreciates our patience with him then why is he giving us a hard time? The same people who chose not to sack him when he went to prison are the people he's having a go at now.

 

Anyway, pointless discussion really, I just think Barton is now a QPR player and should show some professionalism and mind his own business. Whether he has any affection for NUFC is beside the point.

 

They never chose not to sack him, they've made previous attempts to flog him and done so in an overtly public manner, they just couldn't shift him, primarily as due to his past mistakes nobody say him as a risk worth taking, especially as he was basically still in/fresh out of jail. As soon as they finally found a willing bidder he was off. I opine that had any club come in with a serious bid in a window before this one it would have been made very clear to him that he was not wanted here.

 

There's nothing unprofessional about what he's doing. He's a professional footballer, ergo perfectly entitled to criticise an unjust issue within his profession, that profession being football, especially about a professional football club for whom he exercised his professional skills.

 

Sorry, that's nonsense, it's not professional to air your grievances in public.

 

On the sacking thing I don't know, I'm pretty sure we could have terminated his contract if we had wanted. Anyway, that wasn't my argument, I was just responding to you saying we had shown patience with him, which we have.

 

I take your point but I don't think you can attribute the same meaning of "unprofessional" to our job you or I may do to professional football. If you and I are treated like shit at work, we can't really make it public, as nobody would care. But it would be in our interests, and in the best interests of our employer and other employees, to make clear to somebody who matters that something gravely unjust is going on. To attempt a clumsy analogy, if you and I worked for a financial services firm, and we knew a director was embezzling company funds, I believe it would be unprofessional not to air grievances, as we would have a duty to co-employees, investors, shareholders and the industry we worked on to shed light on the wrongdoing. Following these lines, it is entirely professional of Barton, bearing in mind the amount of people interested in NUFC, the game itself AND his (now former) colleagues at all levels of the club, to point out how his employer is treating the people who work for it/put money into it like absolute turd. It's not the most erudite analogy but I trust you can understand the point I'm making.

 

Furthermore, I don't think there should be an issue about Barton being dishonest or self-interested - we have enough evidence even despite the Ashley/Llambias media and communication blackout to see and understand that what Barton and other players accuse them of is most likely, if not definitely, true.

[Guest Rainforest]

Jose`s rants were no less "snipey" though,  surely? He basically echoed Barton, so I dont think Joey is that far off tbh.

Its unfortunate that Mike is hiding behind the NUFC-banner, otherwise I suspect there would be far fewer voices defending Ashley just because he happends to be "on our side" by accident and Joey no longer is.

[TRon]

Jose`s rants were no less "snipey" though,  surely? He basically echoed Barton, so I dont think Joey is that far off tbh.

Its unfortunate that Mike is hiding behind the NUFC-banner, otherwise I suspect there would be far fewer voices defending Ashley just because he happends to be "on our side" by accident and Joey no longer is.

 

Jose's rants were while he was still at the club and angling for a move to a better club. He was entitled to it because he was a quality player who could attract the top clubs. Barton on the other hand is no longer a top player so just sounds like a berk talking about ambition. If we were ambitious you wouldn't be in our plans anyway you tit.

[jimmymag]

The idea that the unbiased truth comes from Joey Barton is insane though, even people who hate Ashley in the extreme must be able to see that he has a load of self interest, bitterness and self importance motivating him to say these things.

The idea that the unbiased truth comes from Joey Barton is insane though, even people who hate Ashley in the extreme must be able to see that he has a load of self interest, bitterness and self importance motivating him to say these things.

 

And inside knowledge. 

[Cajun]

I don't really see anyone defending Ashley, people are just saying Joey is as bad and should shut the fuck up. The only defending I have seen is of those players he has had a dig at.

 

In answer to theregulars, I thinks its clear as day Joey put his and his mates interest above this ambition he banged on about. He was having snide digs at Cabaye with no idea of how the player would perform and if he would contribute more for the team than Nolan

 

A few of the things he says are correct but he is agenda driven and this agenda revolves around Joey Barton, not the fans.

 

Him pointing out the obvious helps no one, does he think the fans are too thick to see it for themselves? Did his comments bring on some sort of realisation that we haven't spent the Carroll money? No they didn't, he just can't walk away from anything and just move on.

 

The sooner he shuts up the better but that won't happen for a while as he loves the attention too much.

[Guest Rainforest]

Jose`s rants were no less "snipey" though,  surely? He basically echoed Barton, so I dont think Joey is that far off tbh.

Its unfortunate that Mike is hiding behind the NUFC-banner, otherwise I suspect there would be far fewer voices defending Ashley just because he happends to be "on our side" by accident and Joey no longer is.

 

Jose's rants were while he was still at the club and angling for a move to a better club. He was entitled to it because he was a quality player who could attract the top clubs. Barton on the other hand is no longer a top player so just sounds like a berk talking about ambition. If we were ambitious you wouldn't be in our plans anyway you tit.

 

It was just about tolerated because for the time being he could still land us 6-7 million pounds, whereas with barton he just carries too much baggage for anyone to shell out money for him, hence he could be treated like a sack of s***.

 

As far as Barton not being a good fotballer anymore I guess we just have to agree to disagree, I still think that he has loads of things to offer to anyone in this division bar perhaps top 4-5. On his day he can easily slide into a england side, imho of course.

[Cajun]

He is a very, very good footballer and letting him go for free was stupid, however he needs to realise how lucky he is that QPR with their rich owners were around. If it wasn't for them he would still be here, picking up his "pitiful" wage and paying back some of the backing and support he was given while he spent the first 3 seasons injured/in prison/suspensed.

[Consortium of one]

I'm getting tired of Joey Barton already.  I like him, too.  I mean, we probably all like him because he's a footballer and tells it like it is.  But lets face it, the same reason he posts all that stuff on twitter is the same reason he tried to pick up Gervinho in the box: he can't control himself.  He feels aggrieved and rather than deal with the situation directly and letting it go, he takes it out in other areas.  If he wasn't a footballer and was, say, just friend whinging on Facebook hiow nmany of us would be reading his post, rolling our eyes and considering hiding his feeds?

 

On the idea that the club did Joey a favor by not sacking him, that's BS, too.  The club wanted to sack him.  He hadn't done s*** and was going to jail.  I'm sure they looked into terminating his contract, discovered that it would have been messy and expensive and instead chose to "stand by him".  I wouldn't doubt for a moment though that that fact wasn't brought up to Barton's agent every time an extension was discussed.  And, let's be real Joey only gave us one really good year.  Smart money would have been to pass on the new contract in part because of his actions against Arsenal.  He is a loose cannon and as much as I would have preferred to keep him one never knows when he's going to blow up.

 

As for Ashley, he sounds like a cagey businessman but as far as football goes, he's a numpty. Until he relies on someone with some real football knowledge as opposed to the lackeys he surrounds himself with, he's doomed to make the same mistakes.  Derek just wants to keep his job.  Pardew just wanted a job.  Both are left to dangle from Ashleys belt as he blunders through the footballing world oblivious to the shamockery he's become.

[Guest Rainforest]

I agree with you, and the fact of the matter is that he has only given us one good season. Thing is though, that was LAST season and we should have given him the chance to keep "paying us back" by finally playing well and giving back to the club, instead of chucking him out just when he was starting to make sense investmentwise, just when he found his form we let him go.

 

For me it looks like we severed the cord just when it was starting to make sense not doing it, and that imho is a pity.

[Cajun]

I'm getting tired of Joey Barton already.  I like him, too.  I mean, we probably all like him because he's a footballer and tells it like it is.  But lets face it, the same reason he posts all that stuff on twitter is the same reason he tried to pick up Gervinho in the box: he can't control himself.  He feels aggrieved and rather than deal with the situation directly and letting it go, he takes it out in other areas.  If he wasn't a footballer and was, say, just friend whinging on Facebook hiow nmany of us would be reading his post, rolling our eyes and considering hiding his feeds?

 

On the idea that the club did Joey a favor by not sacking him, that's BS, too.  The club wanted to sack him.  He hadn't done s*** and was going to jail.  I'm sure they looked into terminating his contract, discovered that it would have been messy and expensive and instead chose to "stand by him".  I wouldn't doubt for a moment though that that fact wasn't brought up to Barton's agent every time an extension was discussed.  And, let's be real Joey only gave us one really good year.  Smart money would have been to pass on the new contract in part because of his actions against Arsenal.  He is a loose cannon and as much as I would have preferred to keep him one never knows when he's going to blow up.

 

As for Ashley, he sounds like a cagey businessman but as far as football goes, he's a numpty. Until he relies on someone with some real football knowledge as opposed to the lackeys he surrounds himself with, he's doomed to make the same mistakes.  Derek just wants to keep his job.  Pardew just wanted a job.  Both are left to dangle from Ashleys belt as he blunders through the footballing world oblivious to the shamockery he's become.

 

You think we couldn't have done what we have just done and made him available for free?

[Guest Rainforest]

Thought I read somewhere that you cant earn money while in Jail, something along those lines?

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Consortium of one]

I would have kept him rather than letting him walk away like he did.  If I thought he was a good gamble, I would have discussed a contract in December or just let him walk away after the season.  But someone made the point that if QPR hadn't suddenly become flush no one wouldn't have wanted him and their is a good reason for that.  The man has skills, there is absolutely no doubt of that.

[eliassenfredrik]

http://www.jarrowandhebburngazette.com/sport/football/newcastle-united/black-white/barton_names_next_four_newcastle_players_to_leave_1_3736485

 

Barton names next four Newcastle players to leave

 

 

FORMER Toon star Joey Barton has predicted the next four players to leave St James’s Park.

 

 

Barton joined Queens Park Rangers last week, and took to his Twitter site yesterday to say more will follow him out in the next 12 months.

 

The midfielder wrote: “Cheik Tiote and Tim Krul will be sold as soon as there’s a significant bid or they ask for a new deal.

 

“Jonas Gutierrez and Fabricio Coloccini will also be off by this time next year.

 

“I feel sorry for the Geordie nation. Ashley and Llambias don’t deserve that club or its following.

 

“I’m sure they think people are stupid.

 

“Nice to see Ashley and Llambias come through with their promise to reinvest Andy Carroll money.

 

“That’s a £59m net profit from transfers in the last five seasons. Ambition?”

 

Mike Ashley allowed Barton to leave for free after he criticised the board on Twitter.

[oldtype]

It's none of your business you fucking attention whore.

[Cajun]

Concentrate on your own club you cunt. Does he not think this is something the fans have speculated on already?

[Guest Roger Kint]

Has the publicity obsessed little prick even mentioned his new club yet? Really hope all this shit comes back to haunt him a week Monday, he needs to let go and shut the fuck up 

[Gallowgate Toon]

I actually fear for him starting as a CM against Cabaye and Tiote, both are just as tough as Joey and are far better players in that area of the pitch.