Joey Barton (now retired)

[Dr Venkman]

Plenty of players do not get the contracts they want from their current club and just move on, not many use twitter & the media to slag off the club.

 

 

ours do. why? what's the link?

[Parky]

Eurgh tin hat time. There really is no happy medium in this place. Selling Nolan was a poor decision, in my view he would have been given limited playing time which going by his interviews he accepted would be the case. We'll miss his presence as club captain. Selling Carroll, with hindsight, looks be a poor move, hugely inflated fee? Aye, but it's become glaringly evident the money won't be used to strengthen the first team in the slightest. For me Barton has every right, like us fans, to be miffed at those decisions. However, it does not give him the right to start slating his boss in the public domain on numerous occasions. All he's doing is causing further disruptionand frankly I'd expect the sack if I'd done the same.

 

Both parties have to take blame on this occasion. The way Ashley chooses to run the club being one, Barton being an unprofessional knob on the other. I'm not a f***ing 'Ashley apologist', I don't agree with his transfer policy and I'm certainly not absolving him of blame, but on this occasion you can't help but feel Barton has brought this on himself.

 

Good Post.

 

No doubt you'll be called an Ashley apologist by Dave etc though still.

 

Of course Barton brought it on himself.  And Enrique's trying to bring it on himself too....and Danny Simpson it's starting to seem.  Harper's said nowt though...best keeper at the club, but he's been pushed into the reserves on Tuesday.  No future as a strong presence in the changing room it seems.  Smith's in the reserves too.  Nolan said nowt publicly.  Carroll said nowt publicly.

 

You don't see players at.....say...Stoke City queueing up to get out do you?

 

It's an exodus of our very best players.  If enrique goes it's 4 of them in 6 months.  Tiote and Coloccini are the only remnants of actual premier league quality left to us.

 

I don't give a shit aout any individual player that doesn't want to be at the club.  But to point the finger at ALL these players rather than the man showing them the door is ridicuous.

 

Well said.

 

It's basically the toxic combination of greedy and idiotic players and Mashley the crazy horse.

[TRon]

Fair play to him if he ends up North London.

 

Fair's probably not the best term for it. If he wanted to go there he could just as easily have handed in a transfer request rather than opening a twitter account to spread shite and lower the fee for the club that's tapping him up.

 

and if we wanted to keep him we could've given him a fair contract this summer. we dont want to keep him because we dont want to pay what he's worth as a footballer, again.

 

At the moment it looks like no one else wants to pay him what he's worth either unless they get him on a free. If he's all that you would have thought these mega clubs would have stumped up the odd million or so it would have took to buy him rather than resort to getting him to play up and reduce the fee to nowt.

[Offshore]

Hm, well this is one way to get the wage bill down I suppose.........

[Tisd09]

By the way, Smith has done f*** all wrong apart from being s***, why aren't we up in arms at the treatment of Smith? Because he's s*** its acceptable, same if this happened to Shola we would all just shrug our shoulders, but we are up in arms over Nolan and moreso Barton because they are tidy players.

 

you what? because we want the club to hang onto it's best players for f***s sake

 

I think we should hang on to Barton too, in an ideal world he and the board would have come to an agreement that suited both, that didnt happen, Barton has not handled himself well IMO. People seem to think he's been treated badly, yet nobody has come out in defence of Smith, surely if Barton is being treated badly then so is Smith.

 

The crux of a lot of peoples arguments in this thread is that the club have acted badly towards Barton, I'm guilty of that too as the club could have acted way better than they have but like many others I've been willing to forget the fact that Smith has been treated in the same way, all because he's been shit for us.

[Tisd09]

Does it really need to be explained why you should make more of an effort to keep onside one of your best players than one that's surplus to requirements? I give up.

 

So we ignore Barton's behaviour the past couple of months?

[Wullie]

Fair play to him if he ends up North London.

 

Fair's probably not the best term for it. If he wanted to go there he could just as easily have handed in a transfer request rather than opening a twitter account to spread shite and lower the fee for the club that's tapping him up.

 

and if we wanted to keep him we could've given him a fair contract this summer. we dont want to keep him because we dont want to pay what he's worth as a footballer, again.

 

At the moment it looks like no one else wants to pay him what he's worth either unless they get him on a free. If he's all that you would have thought these mega clubs would have stumped up the odd million or so it would have took to buy him rather than resort to getting him to play up and reduce the fee to nowt.

 

Tron, why do you always need your mind made up for you on a player depending on which club they sign for?

 

I can make up my own mind and Barton wide right is absolute quality.

 

By your logic, all our players are automatically shit by virtue of playing for us.

[Interpolic]

Does it really need to be explained why you should make more of an effort to keep onside one of your best players than one that's surplus to requirements? I give up.

 

So we ignore Barton's behaviour the past couple of months?

 

You seem to be ignoring the form of the 2 players for the last 12 months, so yeah why not.

[Dr Venkman]

Fair play to him if he ends up North London.

 

Fair's probably not the best term for it. If he wanted to go there he could just as easily have handed in a transfer request rather than opening a twitter account to spread shite and lower the fee for the club that's tapping him up.

 

and if we wanted to keep him we could've given him a fair contract this summer. we dont want to keep him because we dont want to pay what he's worth as a footballer, again.

 

At the moment it looks like no one else wants to pay him what he's worth either unless they get him on a free. If he's all that you would have thought these mega clubs would have stumped up the odd million or so it would have took to buy him rather than resort to getting him to play up and reduce the fee to nowt.

 

first of all players have a different worth to each club, we need him more than arsenal do for example, so no-one bidding for him doesnt necessarily mean he's not 'all that'. i dont know about you but i dont need arsene wenger or harry redknapp to tell me he was a very important player for us last season. we'll soon see who is or isnt interested in him anyway.

 

we could have paid him what he's worth without paying a fee for him either you know.

 

as it stands it's another high earner off the books without a passing thought for how it will affect the team.

[Mr. Snrub]

Well said.

 

It's basically the toxic combination of greedy and idiotic players and Mashley the crazy horse.

 

I'd say it's 100% down to our owners not rewarding our best players with new contracts that they deserve and not spending money that they promised they would.

 

If they cared about the club instead of doing everything the cheapest way possible without giving a shit, we'd have a good squad of happy players.

[Dr Venkman]

By the way, Smith has done f*** all wrong apart from being s***, why aren't we up in arms at the treatment of Smith? Because he's s*** its acceptable, same if this happened to Shola we would all just shrug our shoulders, but we are up in arms over Nolan and moreso Barton because they are tidy players.

 

you what? because we want the club to hang onto it's best players for f***s sake

 

I think we should hang on to Barton too, in an ideal world he and the board would have come to an agreement that suited both, that didnt happen, Barton has not handled himself well IMO. People seem to think he's been treated badly, yet nobody has come out in defence of Smith, surely if Barton is being treated badly then so is Smith.

 

The crux of a lot of peoples arguments in this thread is that the club have acted badly towards Barton, I'm guilty of that too as the club could have acted way better than they have but like many others I've been willing to forget the fact that Smith has been treated in the same way, all because he's been shit for us.

 

i couldnt give a flying fuck about joey barton or his emo smiths twitter posts. i care about nufc acquiring and keeping hold of good players rather than cheap ones above all else.

 

Smith's been treated exactly as he should have been, as a shit past it footballer who's not worth anything. Barton's been treated the same way, why?

[taxfree]

Does it really need to be explained why you should make more of an effort to keep onside one of your best players than one that's surplus to requirements? I give up.

 

So we ignore Barton's behaviour the past couple of months?

 

The players obviously like him/rate him, and he's had a terrific season being one of our best players. He rightfully (content wise, not manner wise) criticizes the board and owner, and some fuckers wants to flog him off for nowt. It's really fucking pathetic. Makes no sense - at all.

[Tisd09]

Does it really need to be explained why you should make more of an effort to keep onside one of your best players than one that's surplus to requirements? I give up.

 

So we ignore Barton's behaviour the past couple of months?

 

You seem to be ignoring the form of the 2 players for the last 12 months, so yeah why not.

 

Where have I ignored the form of our best two players?

 

I think Barton was a very important part of our team last season along with Nolan, Enrique, Colo and Tiote. I really didn't want to think of our team without him for this season, Nolan slightly different especially after we signed Cabaye not that I know much about him but reading reports, the fact he is a French international who helped his team win their Championship gave me confidence that it would be ok to move Nolan on especially if his demands are true.

 

It doesn't need explaining that we should fight harder to keep our better players but people are outraged by the behaviour towards Barton. There are two sides to every story and I would like to think I'm being fair to Barton and the Board. This is a complicated situation.

 

The Twitter things have made things worse, I got a feeling if Barton hadn't joined Twitter they may have been hope of a compromise?

[Parky]

Well said.

 

It's basically the toxic combination of greedy and idiotic players and Mashley the crazy horse.

 

I'd say it's 100% down to our owners not rewarding our best players with new contracts that they deserve and not spending money that they promised they would.

 

If they cared about the club instead of doing everything the cheapest way possible without giving a shit, we'd have a good squad of happy players.

 

That is definitely part of the picture I agree and perhaps the greater share of the blame.

 

Think with the Carroll sale and the promises made, the players were expecting positive movement in the transfer market and a

general uplit at the club regarding intention to compete. They clearly feel this is not going to happen.

[Guest Howaythetoon]

Do you know what, as well as he played last season and as good as he is and as much as this team needs a player of his ability in, the way I look at his departure is this: One less cretin associated with my club. I'm sick and tired of the modern footballer and the modern game, you can keep the lot of it as far as I'm concerned. Looking at our squad there are a few players I admire ability wise but as people, to me they are all absolute parasites in one form or another who were any to leave like Barton, I just wouldn't care. As for the complete and utter fuck ups running our club and the puppet 'manager', they too can go and fuck themselves. Me, I car about that badge that reads Newcastle United and what it stands for and that only. Good riddance Barton. Ashley, Llambiase and Pardew your departures will come. As for the likes of Jose you too can fuck off. Mind, I wouldn't blame any player for wanting out. But please be fucking man about it, be honest, be genuine, cut the bull and politics. That's what pisses me off the hullabaloo of it all.

[Hanshithispantz]

Does it really need to be explained why you should make more of an effort to keep onside one of your best players than one that's surplus to requirements? I give up.

 

So we ignore Barton's behaviour the past couple of months?

He's made a few twitter posts man, yes we should just ignore it. We certainly shouldn't fuck with the clubs future and just give the bloke away for free

[Guest cr4igora]

Should have gone to Specsavers tbh.

 

Can't pass?  That other fella was right, southeners know f*** all about football.

 

His Shots/Goals ratio wouldn't be 0.08 if he could take a good free kick. That's not me being a southerner who doesn't know what he is talking about, that's fact. I can't find individual players pass completion ratios unfortunately, but I bet that's not too high either.

 

Interestingly the comments made above totally ignored the other points I made...

 

...gobs off all day long on Twitter, disputes the managers decisions. Previously convicted of behaviour such as stabbing cigars in teammates eyes & punching people on the training ground.

 

[Interpolic]

Does it really need to be explained why you should make more of an effort to keep onside one of your best players than one that's surplus to requirements? I give up.

 

So we ignore Barton's behaviour the past couple of months?

 

You seem to be ignoring the form of the 2 players for the last 12 months, so yeah why not.

 

Where have I ignored the form of our best two players?

 

I think Barton was a very important part of our team last season along with Nolan, Enrique, Colo and Tiote. I really didn't want to think of our team without him for this season, Nolan slightly different especially after we signed Cabaye not that I know much about him but reading reports, the fact he is a French international who helped his team win their Championship gave me confidence that it would be ok to move Nolan on especially if his demands are true.

 

It doesn't need explaining that we should fight harder to keep our better players but people are outraged by the behaviour towards Barton. There are two sides to every story and I would like to think I'm being fair to Barton and the Board. This is a complicated situation.

 

The Twitter things have made things worse, I got a feeling if Barton hadn't joined Twitter they may have been hope of a compromise?

 

I mean Smith and Barton.  I'm basically saying I couldn't give a shit about how we're treating Smith in the same way Man City fans won't be arsed about how they're treating Adebayour or Bellamy, who due to the quality of their squad have been deemed surplus to requirements.

 

Most clubs fight to keep their best players and will often give them a bit of leeway, whether that be a ticking off in this situation or assurances about the long term strategy and ambition of the club.  The fact is that they can't give these assurances anyway, so they're just binning him.

[Tooj]

Do you know what, as well as he played last season and as good as he is and as much as this team needs a player of his ability in, the way I look at his departure is this: One less cretin associated with my club. I'm sick and tired of the modern footballer and the modern game, you can keep the lot of it as far as I'm concerned. Looking at our squad there are a few players I admire ability wise but as people, to me they are all absolute parasites in one form or another who were any to leave like Barton, I just wouldn't care. As for the complete and utter fuck ups running our club and the puppet 'manager', they too can go and fuck themselves. Me, I car about that badge that reads Newcastle United and what it stands for and that only. Good riddance Barton. Ashley, Llambiase and Pardew your departures will come. As for the likes of Jose you too can fuck off. Mind, I wouldn't blame any player for wanting out. But please be fucking man about it, be honest, be genuine, cut the bull and politics. That's what pisses me off the hullabaloo of it all.

 

Barton's the total opposite of the 'modern footballer.'

[Tisd09]

Does it really need to be explained why you should make more of an effort to keep onside one of your best players than one that's surplus to requirements? I give up.

 

So we ignore Barton's behaviour the past couple of months?

He's made a few twitter posts man, yes we should just ignore it. We certainly shouldn't f*** with the clubs future and just give the bloke away for free

 

Would your boss ignore it. Regardless of the fact its professional football I know my employers would look dimly on me if I slagged them off in a public domain.

 

My old company withdrew a job offer of an employee because of his negative comments against the company on a message board. Another employee was put on a final warning for critising a business decision made by the directors.

 

EDIT - I am pissed that we are giving him away for free though.

[David Icke - Son of God]

Should have gone to Specsavers tbh.

 

Can't pass?  That other fella was right, southeners know f*** all about football.

 

His Shots/Goals ratio wouldn't be 0.08 if he could take a good free kick. That's not me being a southerner who doesn't know what he is talking about, that's fact. I can't find individual players pass completion ratios unfortunately, but I bet that's not too high either.

 

Interestingly the comments made above totally ignored the other points I made...

 

...gobs off all day long on Twitter, disputes the managers decisions. Previously convicted of behaviour such as stabbing cigars in teammates eyes & punching people on the training ground.

 

 

Fuck me, are you genuinely trying to suggest Barton isn't a good footballer?

[JH]

Fair play to him if he ends up North London.

 

Fair's probably not the best term for it. If he wanted to go there he could just as easily have handed in a transfer request rather than opening a twitter account to spread s**** and lower the fee for the club that's tapping him up.

 

Care to explain why, if he was so desperate to go as is claimed, there was any need for the Twitter bollocks (or a transfer request), when the club were trying to sell him anyway?

 

I've asked this about 10 times in this thread and still not had a decent answer.

[Guest Howaythetoon]

Do you know what, as well as he played last season and as good as he is and as much as this team needs a player of his ability in, the way I look at his departure is this: One less cretin associated with my club. I'm sick and tired of the modern footballer and the modern game, you can keep the lot of it as far as I'm concerned. Looking at our squad there are a few players I admire ability wise but as people, to me they are all absolute parasites in one form or another who were any to leave like Barton, I just wouldn't care. As for the complete and utter f*** ups running our club and the puppet 'manager', they too can go and f*** themselves. Me, I car about that badge that reads Newcastle United and what it stands for and that only. Good riddance Barton. Ashley, Llambiase and Pardew your departures will come. As for the likes of Jose you too can f*** off. Mind, I wouldn't blame any player for wanting out. But please be f***ing man about it, be honest, be genuine, cut the bull and politics. That's what pisses me off the hullabaloo of it all.

 

Barton's the total opposite of the 'modern footballer.'

 

How? He's only interested in himself and money like the vast majority of them. He's a mercenary man.

[TRon]

Fair play to him if he ends up North London.

 

Fair's probably not the best term for it. If he wanted to go there he could just as easily have handed in a transfer request rather than opening a twitter account to spread shite and lower the fee for the club that's tapping him up.

 

and if we wanted to keep him we could've given him a fair contract this summer. we dont want to keep him because we dont want to pay what he's worth as a footballer, again.

 

At the moment it looks like no one else wants to pay him what he's worth either unless they get him on a free. If he's all that you would have thought these mega clubs would have stumped up the odd million or so it would have took to buy him rather than resort to getting him to play up and reduce the fee to nowt.

 

Tron, why do you always need your mind made up for you on a player depending on which club they sign for?

 

I can make up my own mind and Barton wide right is absolute quality.

 

By your logic, all our players are automatically shit by virtue of playing for us.

 

My view on Barton is the same as it's always been. He's a decent player for a mid table premier team. I'd be happy for him to be here in the right circumstances but I don't think he needs a contract for life to stay here. He wasn't so great in central midfield and if we lose him out wide we have an option to bring in someone with a bit more pace. These players aren't superstars, they are decent at best. The real issue is whether we will actually replace them, and that's where I have my doubts.

[Guest Howaythetoon]

Barton was a good player for us but in the grande scheme of things he's quite average and limited in the same way Nolan is/was despite him being the top goalscoring midfielder in the country last season.