mrmojorisin75 Posted May 27, 2011 Share Posted May 27, 2011 to ian and bottled dog: it's less of contradictions but more of him saying one thing and another happening as everything is clearly so outwith his control the puppet analogy is perfect from what i can see carroll is an obvious example, i'm sure if you look hard enough he'll have been waxing lyrical about signing barton on an extended contract and now that's falling apart (possibly) i don't think he's lying, or being intentionally deceptive or anything like that, but i think that he's starting out by advertising what he thinks, is told, and expects to happen (keep carroll) and then his paymasters pull the rug out from under him Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted May 27, 2011 Share Posted May 27, 2011 I honestly do wish he wouldn't say things like "closing in on a player" or "60-40". It makes him sound like kinnear and those deals never, ever come off. aye, and this too, precisely - i don't think it's his fault or anything he probably thinks things will go the way he wants and expects Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted May 27, 2011 Share Posted May 27, 2011 to ian and bottled dog: it's less of contradictions but more of him saying one thing and another happening as everything is clearly so outwith his control the puppet analogy is perfect from what i can see carroll is an obvious example, i'm sure if you look hard enough he'll have been waxing lyrical about signing barton on an extended contract and now that's falling apart (possibly) i don't think he's lying, or being intentionally deceptive or anything like that, but i think that he's starting out by advertising what he thinks, is told, and expects to happen (keep carroll) and then his paymasters pull the rug out from under him Well if that's true, the only way to avoid it is to say nothing at all. Which I just don't think Pardew is the sort of person to do, he's too open and friendly with the press for that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted May 27, 2011 Share Posted May 27, 2011 Well if that's true, the only way to avoid it is to say nothing at all. Which I just don't think Pardew is the sort of person to do, he's too open and friendly with the press for that. correct, wasn't that one of golfmags chelps that pardew was more media friendly? the more pardew keeps everyone entertained with wishful thinking and hope about signings the more distracted everyone is from the fact that we won't actually make any (enough) good ones smoke & mirrors 101 tbh hughton stonewalling people on transfers the entire summer just raises interest and awareness imo, if pardew is talking people assume good things are gonna happen Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
buzza Posted May 27, 2011 Share Posted May 27, 2011 I second that! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted May 27, 2011 Share Posted May 27, 2011 Well if that's true, the only way to avoid it is to say nothing at all. Which I just don't think Pardew is the sort of person to do, he's too open and friendly with the press for that. correct, wasn't that one of golfmags chelps that pardew was more media friendly? the more pardew keeps everyone entertained with wishful thinking and hope about signings the more distracted everyone is from the fact that we won't actually make any (enough) good ones smoke & mirrors 101 tbh hughton stonewalling people on transfers the entire summer just raises interest and awareness imo, if pardew is talking people assume good things are gonna happen Well maybe, but that remains to be seen. The transfer window hasn't even opened yet, let alone finished. FWIW I don't think Pardew is playing the press in any planned way, or trying to distract anyone from the truth. He's just answering questions in the way he thinks best. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hughesy Posted May 27, 2011 Share Posted May 27, 2011 If everyone knows that Pardew isn't in control of the club and what happens (and no manager ever is - managers don't run clubs) - why do people get their knickers in a twist about his statements? What is he meant to say? Nothing? Tell the whole truth? It's naive to think that Pardew is any different from any other manager. He does what he is told as an employee of the club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted May 27, 2011 Share Posted May 27, 2011 If everyone knows that Pardew isn't in control of the club and what happens (and no manager ever is - managers don't run clubs) - why do people get their knickers in a twist about his statements? What is he meant to say? Nothing? Tell the whole truth? It's naive to think that Pardew is any different from any other manager. He does what he is told as an employee of the club. I've been saying this for months, as with Ashley the media statements and answers to questions thing is basically a non-issue. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oakie Doke Posted May 27, 2011 Share Posted May 27, 2011 Shame he's into that music really. I was expecting he'd be into something a bit more manly. Like what for example? wrestling music I'm guessing. Wrestling music is as pretty generic term. Might as well have said 'music that you can hear'. I was just thinking something heavier and more bad ass, like Crowbar or Lamb of God or something. ok then, "the type of music you would expect to hear at wrestiling". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted May 27, 2011 Share Posted May 27, 2011 What is he meant to say? Nothing? Tell the whole truth? It's naive to think that Pardew is any different from any other manager. He does what he is told as an employee of the club. erm aye, the assumption is that the puppet masters above him are deliberately having him mislead with what he says and yeah it's no different to other clubs except other clubs seems to be interested in progressing themselves on the pitch when they can, the esteemed mr. ashley less so Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hughesy Posted May 27, 2011 Share Posted May 27, 2011 What is he meant to say? Nothing? Tell the whole truth? It's naive to think that Pardew is any different from any other manager. He does what he is told as an employee of the club. erm aye, the assumption is that the puppet masters above him are deliberately having him mislead with what he says and yeah it's no different to other clubs except other clubs seems to be interested in progressing themselves on the pitch when they can, the esteemed mr. ashley less so If your assumption is correct and Ashley and co are trying to mislead us all - what do you suggest Pardew does? Should he ignore the instructions of his employers and risk being fired? I don't quite see what Pardew can do or can be realistically expected to do. Anyway - it's hardly as if football managers as a breed have a reputation for speaking only the truth. It's the nature of the job - stick a microphone in front of someone for 1 hour every single day and they are bound to say things they don't mean, that get taken out of context etc etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted May 27, 2011 Share Posted May 27, 2011 i haven't really criticised pardew or suggested he do/say anything else, i just agreed with this Pardew has managed to contradict himself for about the 200th time in his short spell as our manager. Nowt but a puppet, becoming more and more obvious! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oakie Doke Posted May 27, 2011 Share Posted May 27, 2011 heres a picture of Joey kissing a horse. http://desmond.yfrog.com/Himg618/scaled.php?tn=0&server=618&filename=jfpwy.jpg&xsize=640&ysize=640 "You're my horse now." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted May 27, 2011 Share Posted May 27, 2011 heres a picture of Joey kissing a horse. http://desmond.yfrog.com/Himg618/scaled.php?tn=0&server=618&filename=jfpwy.jpg&xsize=640&ysize=640 "hey horse, you seen the Godfather?" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Roger Kint Posted May 27, 2011 Share Posted May 27, 2011 His horse is running in the first at Newmarket today, canny dwarf up top and decent 6/1 price. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenham Mag Posted May 27, 2011 Share Posted May 27, 2011 His horse is running in the first at Newmarket today, canny dwarf up top and decent 6/1 price. Bellamy? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Roger Kint Posted May 27, 2011 Share Posted May 27, 2011 His horse is running in the first at Newmarket today, canny dwarf up top and decent 6/1 price. Bellamy? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LesPaul Posted May 27, 2011 Share Posted May 27, 2011 Shame he's into that music really. I was expecting he'd be into something a bit more manly. Like what for example? wrestling music I'm guessing. Wrestling music is as pretty generic term. Might as well have said 'music that you can hear'. I was just thinking something heavier and more bad ass, like Crowbar or Lamb of God or something. Lamb of God? Manly music? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenham Mag Posted May 27, 2011 Share Posted May 27, 2011 His horse is running in the first at Newmarket today, canny dwarf up top and decent 6/1 price. Bellamy? Canny Dwarf up top Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBG Posted May 27, 2011 Share Posted May 27, 2011 His horse is running in the first at Newmarket today, canny dwarf up top and decent 6/1 price. Bellamy? Canny Dwarf up top Bellamy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PCW1983 Posted May 27, 2011 Share Posted May 27, 2011 heres a picture of Joey kissing a horse. http://desmond.yfrog.com/Himg618/scaled.php?tn=0&server=618&filename=jfpwy.jpg&xsize=640&ysize=640 "hey horse, you seen the Godfather?" Isn't that Sunderlands new away top his horse is wearing? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Roger Kint Posted May 27, 2011 Share Posted May 27, 2011 His horse is running in the first at Newmarket today, canny dwarf up top and decent 6/1 price. Bellamy? Canny Dwarf up top Ahh got you, my mind went blank there thinking you meant the name of the horse ha Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fugazi Posted May 27, 2011 Share Posted May 27, 2011 Can't believe people are having a go at him for liking The Smiths. At least he doesn't go around wearing massive headphones and listening to shite RnB. I bloody love The Smiths. I met Barton in Gotham a few months ago, he was drinking Red Bull. I'm glad he's into that kind of music. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colocho Posted May 27, 2011 Share Posted May 27, 2011 The Smiths were brilliant. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LesPaul Posted May 27, 2011 Share Posted May 27, 2011 The Smiths are brilliant. FYP Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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