Pre-season specialist Haris Vučkić joins FC Twente

[Jack Flash]

Seems to be a lot of experts on him on here despite him only playing about 3 games in his entire career.

 

It's not difficult to know which foot he is and what his favourite position is.

 

"he's not really the kind of player who could go outside" "he's not one to challenge in the air" "Might have been worth swapping him and Hatem round at some point of the game."

 

All based on very little evidence.

[ponsaelius]

Seems to be a lot of experts on him on here despite him only playing about 3 games in his entire career.

 

It's not difficult to know which foot he is and what his favourite position is.

 

"he's not really the kind of player who could go outside" "he's not one to challenge in the air" "Might have been worth swapping him and Hatem round at some point of the game."

 

All based on very little evidence.

 

Eh? it's pretty basic analysis based on watching him play for both the reserves and the full team. He's a typical European style #10 who's not likely to track back and put himself about as much as his size suggests. In the reserves he rarely challenges for the ball in the air and when he does he looks uncomfortable doing it.

 

He's also not a natural wide player who can get to the byline and put crosses in, hence why I said he looks uncomfortable going outside of a fullback. He looked more comfortable when he moved towards the middle of the pitch in his natural area, hence why I said it might have been worth swapping at some point since Ben Arfa is comfortable out wide as well as in the middle.

 

I really don't know what you're getting at, it's all very basic observations who I'm sure the likes of OCK and Greg who have seen him even more would agree with.

[Guest Heneage]

Sewelly has become such a little radgie lately. 

[Fenham Mag]

I have said he had a poor game but i still think he'll be a good player. Sewelly is right saying he would have been much better in HBA position but thats not likely for a couple of seasons.

[ponsaelius]

Sewelly has become such a little radgie lately. 

 

Never to you. x

[Jack Flash]

Seems to be a lot of experts on him on here despite him only playing about 3 games in his entire career.

 

It's not difficult to know which foot he is and what his favourite position is.

 

"he's not really the kind of player who could go outside" "he's not one to challenge in the air" "Might have been worth swapping him and Hatem round at some point of the game."

 

All based on very little evidence.

 

Eh? it's pretty basic analysis based on watching him play for both the reserves and the full team. He's a typical European style #10 who's not likely to track back and put himself about as much as his size suggests. In the reserves he rarely challenges for the ball in the air and when he does he looks uncomfortable doing it.

 

He's also not a natural wide player who can get to the byline and put crosses in, hence why I said he looks uncomfortable going outside of a fullback. He looked more comfortable when he moved towards the middle of the pitch in his natural area, hence why I said it might have been worth swapping at some point since Ben Arfa is comfortable out wide as well as in the middle.

 

I really don't know what you're getting at, it's all very basic observations who I'm sure the likes of OCK and Greg who have seen him even more would agree with.

 

But all that is based on reserve games (most of which haven't been seen) and a few appearances at a level he clearly isn't ready for. He needs far more games at a high level to work him out.

 

Can I just assume he's amazing on computer games or something?

[ponsaelius]

 

Neesy is better than you.

[ponsaelius]

Right, I'll stick with this then.

 

 

But all that is based on reserve games (most of which haven't been seen) and a few appearances at a level he clearly isn't ready for. He needs far more games at a high level to work him out.

 

Can I just assume he's amazing on computer games or something?

 

What else are opinions of players supposed to be based on other than what we've seen? Most of his best performances for the reserves and youth team came when playing as an attacking midfielder through the middle, the same position he himself has said is his best position as recently as last week. Everything I have said is fundamentally obvious as it stands. Maybe his workrate will improve (one of the games last season for the first team he put himself about more than he ever has at other levels) as his career goes on, maybe he be able to play out wide more naturally as he develops. I cannot see the future.

 

However as it stands he's a player that has proven to struggle when played even slightly out of position. This doesn't tend to change for players of his ilk.

 

I'm basing my analysis on what I've seen of him up to now, you're just being pointlessly dismissive and awkward.

[Guest BlacknWhiteArmy]

The hype's basically because he's supposed to be a 'number 10' and has a cool name.

[ponsaelius]

What hype?

 

There's been no more hype than for anybody else who has looked very good at reserve and youth level. The only 'hype' I've seen is people stupidly putting him in line-ups for league games and stuff.

[Guest BlacknWhiteArmy]

There's been a lot of it, man.

[Wullie]

He's simply not getting enough football imo.

 

I look at players like Wilshere and Phil Jones and I worry that we leave it far too late to get players on the field regularly at any decent level. Vuckic is six months younger than those two, highly rated, yet they've been playing fairly regularly for at least 18 months while Vuckic has done nothing, not even a loan spell, and imo, you can gain very little from reserve team football. Andy Carroll is the perfect example of how important regular first team football is at a young age.

 

Kadar's the same, he's had injuries but at 21, he should have way more experience than he does and I fear he'll fall by the wayside.

[ponsaelius]

There's been a lot of it, man.

 

Don't let it get to you then, Micky.

 

He's simply not getting enough football imo.

 

I look at players like Wilshere and Phil Jones and I worry that we leave it far too late to get players on the field regularly at any decent level. Vuckic is six months younger than those two, highly rated, yet they've been playing fairly regularly for at least 18 months while Vuckic has done nothing, not even a loan spell, and imo, you can gain very little from reserve team football. Andy Carroll is the perfect example of how important regular first team football is at a young age.

 

Yep. He probably would have been out on loan last season if he wasn't injured.

[Tooj]

He's simply not getting enough football imo.

 

I look at players like Wilshere and Phil Jones and I worry that we leave it far too late to get players on the field regularly at any decent level. Vuckic is six months younger than those two, highly rated, yet they've been playing fairly regularly for at least 18 months while Vuckic has done nothing, not even a loan spell, and imo, you can gain very little from reserve team football. Andy Carroll is the perfect example of how important regular first team football is at a young age.

 

Kadar's the same, he's had injuries but at 21, he should have way more experience than he does and I fear he'll fall by the wayside.

 

Spot on Wullie. That was my biggest criticism of Hughton, especially when we were in the Championship.

[ponsaelius]

He's simply not getting enough football imo.

 

I look at players like Wilshere and Phil Jones and I worry that we leave it far too late to get players on the field regularly at any decent level. Vuckic is six months younger than those two, highly rated, yet they've been playing fairly regularly for at least 18 months while Vuckic has done nothing, not even a loan spell, and imo, you can gain very little from reserve team football. Andy Carroll is the perfect example of how important regular first team football is at a young age.

 

Kadar's the same, he's had injuries but at 21, he should have way more experience than he does and I fear he'll fall by the wayside.

 

Spot on Wullie. That was my biggest criticism of Hughton, especially when we were in the Championship.

 

Bringing in Pancrate instead of playing LuaLua, signing van Aanholt instead of playing Kadar in particular.

[Guest]

So do we want to buy N'Zogbia and other defenders, or give these lads more game time?

[Guest Recoba]

I thought he looked quite physical. He clattered a couple of Darlo players.  Certainly not a soft continental no 10.

[Guest BooBoo]

Obviously getting out of the championship was a high priority but it was a shame that Carroll aside, none o our youngsters were given the chance to really push on.

[ponsaelius]

So do we want to buy N'Zogbia and other defenders, or give these lads more game time?

 

Different scenario.

 

Signing somebody shit like Pancrate on a free was pretty pointless when we could have just played LuaLua. Same with loaning a Chelsea reserve and giving them gametime rather than our own.

 

Not to mention we were in the Championship at the time, not the Premier League with a desperate need for ready made quality.

[Pilko]

Geremi over LuaLua was absolutely criminal in those initial weeks of the Championship, like. So was playing the likes of Lovenkrands and Butt when promotion was secured, we should have got some of the kids in straight away. In the end we gave Vuckic about 10 minutes at QPR, big fucking deal.

[Fenham Mag]

I thought he looked quite physical. He clattered a couple of Darlo players.  Certainly not a soft continental no 10.

 

A bit like Kaka.

[Mick]

 

Spot on Wullie. That was my biggest criticism of Hughton, especially when we were in the Championship.

 

That was also my biggest problem with Hughton and it will only be worse under Pardew.  We've already seen that he'll not pick the kids when we fielded a strong unmotivated team against Stevenage in the Cup.

[ponsaelius]

Geremi over LuaLua was absolutely criminal in those initial weeks of the Championship, like. So was playing the likes of Lovenkrands and Butt when promotion was secured, we should have got some of the kids in straight away. In the end we gave Vuckic about 10 minutes at QPR, big fucking deal.

 

The one chance we did throw youngsters in against Peterborough in the Cup we put half a team of them in accompanied by some first teamers playing out of position. Suffice to say it was a disaster.

[TRon]

He's simply not getting enough football imo.

 

I look at players like Wilshere and Phil Jones and I worry that we leave it far too late to get players on the field regularly at any decent level. Vuckic is six months younger than those two, highly rated, yet they've been playing fairly regularly for at least 18 months while Vuckic has done nothing, not even a loan spell, and imo, you can gain very little from reserve team football. Andy Carroll is the perfect example of how important regular first team football is at a young age.

 

Kadar's the same, he's had injuries but at 21, he should have way more experience than he does and I fear he'll fall by the wayside.

 

Good point. I've often felt that we have been too slow in giving some of the younger guys a chance, even if it's just coming off the bench - just look at Ferguson's impact when given a run. Maybe with Nolan leaving Vukic will get more of a look in as both are goal scoring midfielders although their qualities are different.

[Guest Heneage]

Peterbrough was pushing the theory Wullie's proposing too far. For first team football to be beneficial to youngsters it needs to be alongside their more senior team-mates not surrounded by the youngsters in the reserves.

 

Say for example pick no more than three (Vuckic, Kadar, LuaLua) and play those three in their natural positions.