The old Chris Hughton discussion thread

[madras]

Is he is as good a player at 27 as he was at 24?

what has that to do with anything ?

[David Icke - Son of God]

If 27 year old lads on £16K a year can get fit and stay fit, why on earth can't Kevin Nolan on 40k a week?

 

He's a good finisher and is intelligent, which is why gets goals. But as a midfielder, he's f***ing shocking and fitness is one of the main reasons for that.

 

So no player is slow just unfit?

 

By your reasoning Guthrie is unfit.

 

Slow? Why are you bringing pace into the argument?

 

Because that's the only thing your "Nolan is unfit" argument seems to be based on.

 

Where the hell did I mention Nolan's pace? He's slow, but that's not what I was using against him at all.

 

We've went down every other avenue and hit a dead end. He plays more games than most, he covers a lot of ground, he's always been heavy set even in his pomp at Bolton. Pace, or lack of it, is the only thing holding this ridiculous, no-basis-in-reality, claim by yourself together.

[Ronaldo]

If 27 year old lads on £16K a year can get fit and stay fit, why on earth can't Kevin Nolan on 40k a week?

 

He's a good finisher and is intelligent, which is why gets goals. But as a midfielder, he's f***ing shocking and fitness is one of the main reasons for that.

 

So no player is slow just unfit?

 

By your reasoning Guthrie is unfit.

 

Slow? Why are you bringing pace into the argument?

 

Because that's the only thing your "Nolan is unfit" argument seems to be based on.

 

Where the hell did I mention Nolan's pace? He's slow, but that's not what I was using against him at all.

 

So he's slow and unfit and unprofessional, right?

 

That's why he's a disgrace?

 

A professional athlete on 40K a week being unfit is a disgrace, yes.

[David Icke - Son of God]

Is he is as good a player at 27 as he was at 24?

 

Debatable. That Bolton side was built around him and one or two other players.

[madras]

If 27 year old lads on £16K a year can get fit and stay fit, why on earth can't Kevin Nolan on 40k a week?

 

He's a good finisher and is intelligent, which is why gets goals. But as a midfielder, he's f***ing shocking and fitness is one of the main reasons for that.

 

So no player is slow just unfit?

 

By your reasoning Guthrie is unfit.

 

Slow? Why are you bringing pace into the argument?

 

Because that's the only thing your "Nolan is unfit" argument seems to be based on.

 

Where the hell did I mention Nolan's pace? He's slow, but that's not what I was using against him at all.

 

So he's slow and unfit and unprofessional, right?

 

That's why he's a disgrace?

 

A professional athlete on 40K a week being unfit is a disgrace, yes.

i wouldn't say he's unfit.

[STM]

Is he is as good a player at 27 as he was at 24?

 

I don't think he is/was a particularly good player at either age but i'm not saying he's a good player. I'm just saying he's not a disgrace or unprofessional.

[David Icke - Son of God]

If 27 year old lads on £16K a year can get fit and stay fit, why on earth can't Kevin Nolan on 40k a week?

 

He's a good finisher and is intelligent, which is why gets goals. But as a midfielder, he's f***ing shocking and fitness is one of the main reasons for that.

 

So no player is slow just unfit?

 

By your reasoning Guthrie is unfit.

 

Slow? Why are you bringing pace into the argument?

 

Because that's the only thing your "Nolan is unfit" argument seems to be based on.

 

Where the hell did I mention Nolan's pace? He's slow, but that's not what I was using against him at all.

 

So he's slow and unfit and unprofessional, right?

 

That's why he's a disgrace?

 

A professional athlete on 40K a week being unfit is a disgrace, yes.

 

But he's not unfit, we've pretty much established that.

[Ronaldo]

No, you and the other followers have established that.

 

Against Swansea he was out of breath by the 12 minute mark, despite barely moving from the centre circle. Those who can't see a problem either have low expectations or are just blinded by his impressive tally of goals.

 

How do you explain his decline in the last 2 months btw? Nowt to do at all with fitness levels of course.

[ChrisMcQuillan]

No, you and the other followers have established that.

 

Against Swansea he was out of breath by the 12 minute mark, despite barely moving from the centre circle. Those who can't see a problem either have low expectations or are just blinded by his impressive tally of goals.

 

How do you explain his decline in the last 2 months btw? Nowt to do at all with fitness levels of course.

 

I'm with Ronaldo on this.  The guy is carrying excess weight, and he does tire too easily. 

 

I do think it's also partly because of the amount of games he's played without a break.  There's a clear difference between him at the start of the season and now, and I think its burnout.

 

However, he's simply too chubby around the midriff.

[STM]

No, you and the other followers have established that.

 

Against Swansea he was out of breath by the 12 minute mark, despite barely moving from the centre circle. Those who can't see a problem either have low expectations or are just blinded by his impressive tally of goals.

 

How do you explain his decline in the last 2 months btw? Nowt to do at all with fitness levels of course.

 

Form? Or is that too sensible.

 

He's been pretty good in the last few games, how do you explain that? I suppose he's bought a new engine.

[Ronaldo]

Which games has he been good in?

[Guest Spark]

I also agree with Ronaldo. I'm actually quite surprised to see people defending Nolan's fitness. It's pretty clear to me that he is not as fit as he should be.

[David Icke - Son of God]

No, you and the other followers have established that.

 

Against Swansea he was out of breath by the 12 minute mark, despite barely moving from the centre circle. Those who can't see a problem either have low expectations or are just blinded by his impressive tally of goals.

 

How do you explain his decline in the last 2 months btw? Nowt to do at all with fitness levels of course.

 

No, myself and the other posters who aren't either deaf, dumb or blind have established that.

 

He's played a lot of games, not at all surprised his form has dipped slightly from what it was earlier in the season. It wouldn't surprise me if he was burnt out.

[STM]

No, you and the other followers have established that.

 

Against Swansea he was out of breath by the 12 minute mark, despite barely moving from the centre circle. Those who can't see a problem either have low expectations or are just blinded by his impressive tally of goals.

 

How do you explain his decline in the last 2 months btw? Nowt to do at all with fitness levels of course.

 

I'm with Ronaldo on this.  The guy is carrying excess weight, and he does tire too easily. 

 

I do think it's also partly because of the amount of games he's played without a break.  There's a clear difference between him at the start of the season and now, and I think its burnout.

 

However, he's simply too chubby around the midriff.

 

To say he could burn off a few pounds, is different from him being unfit and unprofessional though?  Of course he's not the slimest player on the planet but i don't think he would ever look thin compared to most footballers.

[Shak]

The problem with Nolan for me is that he shows no interest at all in getting on the ball in midfield, not that he's unfit.

 

His instinct is to get forward and try and get on the end of knockdowns from long balls, which is a major reason why we've been so "direct" all year. He's quite a clever player and a decent finisher, which is why he'll get you goals, but he's a complete hindrance to any team attempting to play the ball forward on the deck.

 

Allardyce's Bolton was the perfect setup for him. Two central midfielders beside him that allowed him to get forward all the time, big target man CF to help create chances for him. In a 4-4-2, however, he leaves far too much on the plate of his partner in the middle of the park.

[STM]

Which games has he been good in?

 

I'd say in the last three he's looked a better player, in fairness the team as a whole has improved though. He also looks better alongside Guthrie.

 

Nowt to do with him being unfit though.

[Ronaldo]

I also agree with Ronaldo. I'm actually quite surprised to see people defending Nolan's fitness. It's pretty clear to me that he is not as fit as he should be.

 

That's the difference a few wins (and a goal) makes. We'll see a different set of opinions soon.

[STM]

I also agree with Ronaldo. I'm actually quite surprised to see people defending Nolan's fitness. It's pretty clear to me that he is not as fit as he should be.

 

That's the difference a few wins (and a goal) makes. We'll see a different set of opinions soon.

[Liam Liam Liam O]

Nolan is no less fit than Smith.

[Jaehyun]

I also agree with Ronaldo. I'm actually quite surprised to see people defending Nolan's fitness. It's pretty clear to me that he is not as fit as he should be.

That's the difference a few wins (and a goal) makes. We'll see a different set of opinions soon.

I don't think anyone on here will be happy to see Smith and Nolan as our central midfield pairing at the start of the next season. Ideally we'd all like a creative central midfielder who can bring some mobility to our central midfield. Howver credit is due where credit is due, Nolan's goals DID get us a hell of a lot of points, and if it weren't for his goals we'd be much lower down the table. From what I've seen of Nolan, he doesn't get involved as much as he should beause his general lack of mobility however when he does get on the ball he's an intelligent player.

So there Nolan's a shit premierleague player due to his lack of mobility, but down here in the championship I think he did a decent job despite looking like shit.

 

Now I'm sure everyone on here, including Hughton would rather have Kaka in our central midfield than Nolan, but lets be honest, Chris Hughton has had to severely cut our wage bill whilst trying to build our paper-thin squad to last the season and mount a promotion challenge. I think he's done quite well. Yes Hughton hasn't dropped Nolan much this seaon, but let me ask you this, who would you have rather played? I mean Barton was injured, lets not even talk about Butt. That leaves us with, Guthrie, Smith and Nolan who we've seen a lot of this season. More often than not when Smith and Nolan was paired, it was when one of our wingers were injured and Guthrie had to be moved out to the wing. If we had a certain Kaka sitting on our bench, and yet Hughton was insisting on Nolan starting in central mid, I'd be calling for his head too. Yeah he's dogshit but he's the best we've got and he's done an alright job. I think Hughton has done well with the shit he has.

 

Yes we'd like to have signed a central midfielder but, in the January transfer window Hughton signed a right winger, 2 back up centre halves, a left back on loan and a back up strike. I think that's good activity for one transfer window, and he did this while spending hardly any money at all. Priority was filling the gaping hole left by Taylor and Enrique getting injured, and he's done that well.

 

My faith in Hughton signing a better cental midfielder before next season lies entirely in the Wayne Routledge transfer. Noone here expected Hughton to sign a player like Routledge, everyone could see that our team was unbalanced with all our attacks coming from our left, we all thought Hughton was a daft prick who couldn't see this and would settle with Pancrate, it was just one of those things which we fans could see but the manager just didn't seem able to. How often have you felt that way since Sir Bobby left? I've felt that way many times, where our problems were so blatant but the manager didn't address them or just didn't seem to know. Well Hughton did see it and he signed Routledged which has drastically improved our squad. Because of this transfer I believe he's not as stupid as many people think he is, and I believe he will sign a central midfielder.

 

I also think Hughton is learning is trade and is improving, like our later games he's been fielding a slightly more offensive team, I think he's actually a better manager now than he was when he was our caretaker in the premierleague.

[PRL]

I also agree with Ronaldo. I'm actually quite surprised to see people defending Nolan's fitness. It's pretty clear to me that he is not as fit as he should be.

That's the difference a few wins (and a goal) makes. We'll see a different set of opinions soon.

I don't think anyone on here will be happy to see Smith and Nolan as our central midfield pairing at the start of the next season. Ideally we'd all like a creative central midfielder who can bring some mobility to our central midfield. Howver credit is due where credit is due, Nolan's goals DID get us a hell of a lot of points, and if it weren't for his goals we'd be much lower down the table. From what I've seen of Nolan, he doesn't get involved as much as he should beause his general lack of mobility however when he does get on the ball he's an intelligent player.

So there Nolan's a shit premierleague player due to his lack of mobility, but down here in the championship I think he did a decent job despite looking like shit.

 

Now I'm sure everyone on here, including Hughton would rather have Kaka in our central midfield than Nolan, but lets be honest, Chris Hughton has had to severely cut our wage bill whilst trying to build our paper-thin squad to last the season and mount a promotion challenge. I think he's done quite well. Yes Hughton hasn't dropped Nolan much this seaon, but let me ask you this, who would you have rather played? I mean Barton was injured, lets not even talk about Butt. That leaves us with, Guthrie, Smith and Nolan who we've seen a lot of this season. More often than not when Smith and Nolan was paired, it was when one of our wingers were injured and Guthrie had to be moved out to the wing. If we had a certain Kaka sitting on our bench, and yet Hughton was insisting on Nolan starting in central mid, I'd be calling for his head too. Yeah he's dogshit but he's the best we've got and he's done an alright job. I think Hughton has done well with the shit he has.

 

Yes we'd like to have signed a central midfielder but, in the January transfer window Hughton signed a right winger, 2 back up centre halves, a left back on loan and a back up strike. I think that's good activity for one transfer window, and he did this while spending hardly any money at all. Priority was filling the gaping hole left by Taylor and Enrique getting injured, and he's done that well.

 

My faith in Hughton signing a better cental midfielder before next season lies entirely in the Wayne Routledge transfer. Noone here expected Hughton to sign a player like Routledge, everyone could see that our team was unbalanced with all our attacks coming from our left, we all thought Hughton was a daft prick who couldn't see this and would settle with Pancrate, it was just one of those things which we fans could see but the manager just didn't seem able to. How often have you felt that way since Sir Bobby left? I've felt that way many times, where our problems were so blatant but the manager didn't address them or just didn't seem to know. Well Hughton did see it and he signed Routledged which has drastically improved our squad. Because of this transfer I believe he's not as stupid as many people think he is, and I believe he will sign a central midfielder.

 

I also think Hughton is learning is trade and is improving, like our later games he's been fielding a slightly more offensive team, I think he's actually a better manager now than he was when he was our caretaker in the premierleague.

 

Top post. What I wanted to say but put far more articulately. 

[Parky]

Just when you think Ronaldos cache of utter drivel is full, he comes up with "Kevin Nolan, absolute disgrace" comment. Someone needs to give this kid his own forum.

 

You've got some front, haven't you? Your appraisal of Enrique is one of the most inaccurate the forum has ever seen.

 

[Parky]

I also agree with Ronaldo. I'm actually quite surprised to see people defending Nolan's fitness. It's pretty clear to me that he is not as fit as he should be.

That's the difference a few wins (and a goal) makes. We'll see a different set of opinions soon.

I don't think anyone on here will be happy to see Smith and Nolan as our central midfield pairing at the start of the next season. Ideally we'd all like a creative central midfielder who can bring some mobility to our central midfield. Howver credit is due where credit is due, Nolan's goals DID get us a hell of a lot of points, and if it weren't for his goals we'd be much lower down the table. From what I've seen of Nolan, he doesn't get involved as much as he should beause his general lack of mobility however when he does get on the ball he's an intelligent player.

So there Nolan's a shit premierleague player due to his lack of mobility, but down here in the championship I think he did a decent job despite looking like shit.

 

Now I'm sure everyone on here, including Hughton would rather have Kaka in our central midfield than Nolan, but lets be honest, Chris Hughton has had to severely cut our wage bill whilst trying to build our paper-thin squad to last the season and mount a promotion challenge. I think he's done quite well. Yes Hughton hasn't dropped Nolan much this seaon, but let me ask you this, who would you have rather played? I mean Barton was injured, lets not even talk about Butt. That leaves us with, Guthrie, Smith and Nolan who we've seen a lot of this season. More often than not when Smith and Nolan was paired, it was when one of our wingers were injured and Guthrie had to be moved out to the wing. If we had a certain Kaka sitting on our bench, and yet Hughton was insisting on Nolan starting in central mid, I'd be calling for his head too. Yeah he's dogshit but he's the best we've got and he's done an alright job. I think Hughton has done well with the shit he has.

 

Yes we'd like to have signed a central midfielder but, in the January transfer window Hughton signed a right winger, 2 back up centre halves, a left back on loan and a back up strike. I think that's good activity for one transfer window, and he did this while spending hardly any money at all. Priority was filling the gaping hole left by Taylor and Enrique getting injured, and he's done that well.

 

My faith in Hughton signing a better cental midfielder before next season lies entirely in the Wayne Routledge transfer. Noone here expected Hughton to sign a player like Routledge, everyone could see that our team was unbalanced with all our attacks coming from our left, we all thought Hughton was a daft prick who couldn't see this and would settle with Pancrate, it was just one of those things which we fans could see but the manager just didn't seem able to. How often have you felt that way since Sir Bobby left? I've felt that way many times, where our problems were so blatant but the manager didn't address them or just didn't seem to know. Well Hughton did see it and he signed Routledged which has drastically improved our squad. Because of this transfer I believe he's not as stupid as many people think he is, and I believe he will sign a central midfielder.

 

I also think Hughton is learning is trade and is improving, like our later games he's been fielding a slightly more offensive team, I think he's actually a better manager now than he was when he was our caretaker in the premierleague.

 

Learning his fekin trade he's been in the game 40yrs ffs!!!112233 

[Ronaldo]

Good post, but as I said the other day, Fabrice Pancrate is far easier for Hughon to take out of the team than Kevin 'senior player' Nolan.

[PRL]

Parky - bit harsh, think being a coach and being manager must be pretty different roles!

 

Ronaldo - Thing is, everyone thought Pancrate was fucking appalling after the wondergoal... In recent weeks he's made some promising sub appearances but most agreed he shouldn't be starting. (this is under the assumption you meant we should leave Nolan out, stick Guthrie inside and play Pancrate on the wing in the absence of Routledge?)