Mowen Posted March 4, 2010 Share Posted March 4, 2010 Use your own interpretation of 'best' as other than Leon there isn't a universally agreed one in this sense. My personal definition is them at the peak of what they've shown (so far anyway). Nearly posted this before but haven't got around to it, but the England thread reminded me. I've gone since Gazza for two reasons: 1) A huge number (particularly on a Newcastle board) regard him as the most gifted player they've ever seen 2) It roughly coincides with my experience of watching football (I've just turned 24 and don't remember Italia 90) I know this will provoke a fair amount of debate and they've all been cracking players. For me, gingernut shades it. Ropey tackler, but fuck me he had everything else. I think he's the best passer of the lot, fantastic goalscorer and one half of the most dominant, and probably best, midfield partnership I've seen. He was an utterly magnificent player and underrated like crazy imo. If I were to rank them in order I think it would go Scholes, Lamps, Gerrard, Becks - although I do think Becks was a superb player. FWIW I think Gerrard will end up winning the poll. We'll see. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaizero Posted March 4, 2010 Share Posted March 4, 2010 Beckham > Scholes > Gerrard > Lampard imho Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Posted March 4, 2010 Share Posted March 4, 2010 Scholes for me..one of Sven's biggest mistakes carting him wide left to accomodate Lampard and Gerrard. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mowen Posted March 5, 2010 Share Posted March 5, 2010 Beckham > Scholes > Gerrard > Lampard imho Out of interest when did you start watching English football? That isn't a dig in any way, genuinely interested. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaizero Posted March 5, 2010 Share Posted March 5, 2010 Beckham > Scholes > Gerrard > Lampard imho Out of interest when did you start watching English football? That isn't a dig in any way, genuinely interested. Was born in 89, so since 89. Although I don't really remember much before around Euro 96-ish due to natural reasons pertaining to the human species when young. One of my older sisters always watched English footy on the weekends, as well as my dad. So i just grew into it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keefaz Posted March 5, 2010 Share Posted March 5, 2010 Scholesinho. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mowen Posted March 5, 2010 Share Posted March 5, 2010 Beckham > Scholes > Gerrard > Lampard imho Out of interest when did you start watching English football? That isn't a dig in any way, genuinely interested. Was born in 89, so since 89. Although I don't really remember much before around Euro 96-ish. Have you got some sort of English heritage then? You're a few years younger than me but I don't really remember all that much outside Newcastle pre-96. I think the thing that will 'cost' Scholes in this poll is that he was never quite as good at international level as he was at club level. Having said that, he's probably still done just as much, if not more, for us at major tournaments than the others have. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaizero Posted March 5, 2010 Share Posted March 5, 2010 Beckham > Scholes > Gerrard > Lampard imho Out of interest when did you start watching English football? That isn't a dig in any way, genuinely interested. Was born in 89, so since 89. Although I don't really remember much before around Euro 96-ish. Have you got some sort of English heritage then? You're a few years younger than me but I don't really remember all that much outside Newcastle pre-96. I think the thing that will 'cost' Scholes in this poll is that he was never quite as good at international level as he was at club level. Having said that, he's probably still done just as much, if not more, for us at major tournaments than the others have. I've edited to expand on it just before you posted. But no, Norway has just always been gifted with great coverage of English football on the telly, and I had a sports interested family growing up. English football is almost as important as Norwegian football to most Norwegians for some reason, probably because our football is shite. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leazes1986 Posted March 5, 2010 Share Posted March 5, 2010 All of them are/have been top players but Scholes had that extra special ability. He was a seriously top top player at his peak and his vision, passing and shooting ability was unbelievable. His brain was a step ahead of most players. Very clever player and I don't think the other players are as good as Scholes at his very best. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mowen Posted March 5, 2010 Share Posted March 5, 2010 Fair play, your English is good enough that it wouldn't be surprising for it to be in your genes. Fucking scandos: not coming over here, learning our language... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keefaz Posted March 5, 2010 Share Posted March 5, 2010 I think people like Scholes because as a physical specimen he's not much to look at, tbh. Lampard and Gerrard can run and run and do physical things that Scholes could never do, really, but in terms of football intelligence they're both lacking. Beckham is basically just a brilliant passer and set-piece taker, nowt else. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Village Idiot Posted March 5, 2010 Share Posted March 5, 2010 Scholes. Although I think he lacked a bit of grit to boss a game and carry teams on his back. But he was an exceptional player in his prime, far superior to the others in that list. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mowen Posted March 5, 2010 Share Posted March 5, 2010 All of them are/have been top players but Scholes had that extra special ability. He was a seriously top top player at his peak and his vision, passing and shooting ability was unbelievable. His brain was a step ahead of most players. Very clever player and I don't think the other players are as good as Scholes at his very best. ManU 98-00 (if I remember my dates and football correctly) were different class. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEMTEX Posted March 5, 2010 Share Posted March 5, 2010 Gerrard comfortably. Everyone is gonna sugar coat Scholes because he retired young, in reality he provided no more than Gerrard or Lampard. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
matta Posted March 5, 2010 Share Posted March 5, 2010 Scholes for me, brilliant for such a long time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mowen Posted March 5, 2010 Share Posted March 5, 2010 Gerrard comfortably. Everyone is gonna sugar coat Scholes because he retired young, in reality he provided no more than Gerrard or Lampard. I don't think many people are basing this on international performances, none of them have been consistently at their best for England. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keefaz Posted March 5, 2010 Share Posted March 5, 2010 Gerrard comfortably. Everyone is gonna sugar coat Scholes because he retired young, in reality he provided no more than Gerrard or Lampard. There isn't a facepalm big enough to reply to this, tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted March 5, 2010 Share Posted March 5, 2010 James milner > zidane Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leazes1986 Posted March 5, 2010 Share Posted March 5, 2010 Gerrard comfortably. Everyone is gonna sugar coat Scholes because he retired young, in reality he provided no more than Gerrard or Lampard. EVEN MARLON HAREWOODS LOST FOR WORDS http://www.yourprops.com/norm-48c6ca7f2fe8b-Beetlejuice+(1988).jpeg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
geordiedean Posted March 5, 2010 Share Posted March 5, 2010 Scholes, Beckham,Gerrard but the people who say lampard are nuts he wasnt a patch on our own Rob Lee in my opinion Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mowen Posted March 5, 2010 Share Posted March 5, 2010 James milner > zidane I would lol if it was a joke. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mowen Posted March 5, 2010 Share Posted March 5, 2010 Scholes, Beckham,Gerrard but the people who say lampard are nuts he wasnt a patch on our own Rob Lee in my opinion Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keefaz Posted March 5, 2010 Share Posted March 5, 2010 I think Ronaldo's as big an arse (*) as everyone else, but the one thing he's right about is Lampard, tbh. Great player, and massively underrated by so many. (*) Joke. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElDiablo Posted March 5, 2010 Share Posted March 5, 2010 Lampard. Most consistent and you simply can't argue with his goal record. Scholes is better technically though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mowen Posted March 5, 2010 Share Posted March 5, 2010 Lampard. Most consistent and you simply can't argue with his goal record. Scholes is better technically though. Scholes used to rattle in 20+ for a while at his best did he not? In a genuine 442 too? *waiting for everything I've just said to be disproved* Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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