M4 Posted June 19, 2010 Share Posted June 19, 2010 Isn't it strange how no-one criticises Heskey when we are beating Germany 5-1, and no-one would be criticising him if England won their two first games - regardless of perfomances? Also strange that had Heskey scored two hat tricks in both games he probably wouldn't have been criticised!! Crazy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayson Posted June 19, 2010 Share Posted June 19, 2010 ya thats pretty normal. People generally dont criticise as much something thats working because....its working. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heron Posted June 19, 2010 Share Posted June 19, 2010 Isn't it strange how no-one criticises Heskey when we are beating Germany 5-1, and no-one would be criticising him if England won their two first games - regardless of perfomances? no. it isnt strange, because when things go wrong people look for reasons, and the system which heskey is part of, and only in the team because of, is one of the reasons, imo. It is strange really - because if Heskey is lacking the talent required to be in the squad, then surely he was lacking the talent then also. Not only this, and please correct me if I'm wrong - but wasn't 4-4-2 what we played in that particular match, and isn't that what we're playing now? Being past it, and being shite are two different things...regardless - I don't think Heskey is either (despite not being world class). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted June 19, 2010 Share Posted June 19, 2010 Isn't it strange how no-one criticises Heskey when we are beating Germany 5-1, and no-one would be criticising him if England won their two first games - regardless of perfomances? no. it isnt strange, because when things go wrong people look for reasons, and the system which heskey is part of, and only in the team because of, is one of the reasons, imo. It is strange really - because if Heskey is lacking the talent required to be in the squad, then surely he was lacking the talent then also. Not only this, and please correct me if I'm wrong - but wasn't 4-4-2 what we played in that particular math, and isn't that what we're playing now? Can you really not see the difference in a player putting in a good shift 9 years ago and what they might be doing now? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heron Posted June 19, 2010 Share Posted June 19, 2010 Isn't it strange how no-one criticises Heskey when we are beating Germany 5-1, and no-one would be criticising him if England won their two first games - regardless of perfomances? no. it isnt strange, because when things go wrong people look for reasons, and the system which heskey is part of, and only in the team because of, is one of the reasons, imo. It is strange really - because if Heskey is lacking the talent required to be in the squad, then surely he was lacking the talent then also. Not only this, and please correct me if I'm wrong - but wasn't 4-4-2 what we played in that particular math, and isn't that what we're playing now? Can you really not see the difference in a player putting in a good shift 9 years ago and what they might be doing now? Yes, I can see the difference. However, people are claiming that he is talentless and "not good enough" so if this is the case he would never had had the talent. Being talentless and having poor form are two different things. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted June 19, 2010 Share Posted June 19, 2010 He has had poor form for a while now, the fact your example was 9 years ago says a bit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayson Posted June 19, 2010 Share Posted June 19, 2010 It depends on how the team we're playing plays, it depends on the striker next to Heskey. Owen was different to Rooney. Heskey isnt someone you expect to be effective against a side that is putting 9 men behind the ball. Hes someone who hopefully wins a ball against a high defensive line...passes it off to the midfielder who puts through the other striker. Thats about it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted June 19, 2010 Share Posted June 19, 2010 We have Heskey in the team to get the best out of Rooney, it isn't working, change it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heron Posted June 19, 2010 Share Posted June 19, 2010 He has had poor form for a while now, the fact your example was 9 years ago says a bit. That's a matter of opinion, and in mine he was no worse than any of the other members of the squad in the last two games. Does that mean they should all be dropped? In all honesty, I don't think we have an array of goalscoring talent from England any more (with regards to strikers), and obviously Rooney is higher quality than Heskey so if one was to be dropped it would have to be big Emile. That's fair enough. I just think this criticism of Heskey and Heskey alone is somewhat ridiculous. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted June 19, 2010 Share Posted June 19, 2010 We have Heskey in the team to get the best out of Rooney, it isn't working, change it. Unless we drop Rooney and try Heskey with someone else? Considering Heskey has been our best player and all....? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted June 19, 2010 Share Posted June 19, 2010 He has had poor form for a while now, the fact your example was 9 years ago says a bit. That's a matter of opinion, and in mine he was no worse than any of the other members of the squad in the last two games. Does that mean they should all be dropped? In all honesty, I don't think we have an array of goalscoring talent from England any more (with regards to strikers), and obviously Rooney is higher quality than Heskey so if one was to be dropped it would have to be big Emile. That's fair enough. I just don't think this criticism of Heskey and Heskey alone is somewhat ridiculous. You and everyone else (over 100 posts or whatever) are free to start your own thread? I just wanted someone to explain to me what I am missing with Heskey because I just can't see what he adds apart from what has been mentioned (ie taking down a ball and playing the simplest pass whilst being more impotent than my 98 year old grandad). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keefaz Posted June 19, 2010 Share Posted June 19, 2010 What's the point of this thread? Do people really think Heskey is the reason we're doing so poorly? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dinho lad Posted June 19, 2010 Share Posted June 19, 2010 Once, I read an interview with emile heskey where the interviewer asked him what would he say to the people that claim that he doesn’t score enough goals. His reply was something along the lines of this- "Those who say that I don't score enough goals have probably never kicked a ball in their life." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dinho lad Posted June 19, 2010 Share Posted June 19, 2010 What's the point of this thread? Do people really think Heskey is the reason we're doing so poorly? definitley one of themain reasons. Did you notice england's game plan last night?! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heron Posted June 19, 2010 Share Posted June 19, 2010 He has had poor form for a while now, the fact your example was 9 years ago says a bit. That's a matter of opinion, and in mine he was no worse than any of the other members of the squad in the last two games. Does that mean they should all be dropped? In all honesty, I don't think we have an array of goalscoring talent from England any more (with regards to strikers), and obviously Rooney is higher quality than Heskey so if one was to be dropped it would have to be big Emile. That's fair enough. I just don't think this criticism of Heskey and Heskey alone is somewhat ridiculous. You and everyone else (over 100 posts or whatever) are free to start your own thread? I just wanted someone to explain to me what I am missing with Heskey because I just can't see what he adds apart from what has been mentioned (ie taking down a ball and playing the simplest pass whilst being more impotent than my 98 year old grandad). Tbf, that's what being a target man is, and if that's what he is supposed to be and that's what he is doing then he is doing his job. If he is bringing in the likes of Gerrard and Lampard then surely we should have a decent goal supply, unless they can't cut it at international level because they seem to get about 40 goals a season between them? Obviously, that is a ridiculous statement - because the latter two would be in the squad over Heskey every time, but there's still a point behind it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keefaz Posted June 19, 2010 Share Posted June 19, 2010 What's the point of this thread? Do people really think Heskey is the reason we're doing so poorly? definitley one of themain reasons. Did you notice england's game plan last night?! I saw what they were doing. I'm not sure it was the gameplan, tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted June 19, 2010 Share Posted June 19, 2010 If that's all we expect a target man to do there are a lot of English players who can do that without falling over so much. Steve Howard should have been in with a shout if all our International target man is expected to do is control a ball and lay it off to the nearest player. I think the job of a top target man (ie Internationaly level) involves a bit more than that. As said, the thread was in the hope someone would point out all the good work Heskey does that I had missed so if he starts on Wednesday I don't go unfortunately I now feel :frantic: about the prospect. I just think he is so, soo limited and it's almost as if people stick up for him because we all know he is shit which is an odd reason. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sicko2ndbest Posted June 19, 2010 Share Posted June 19, 2010 Carroll > Heskey Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaizero Posted June 19, 2010 Share Posted June 19, 2010 Carroll > Heskey Owen anno early 2010 > Heskey That's how bad he is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted June 20, 2010 Share Posted June 20, 2010 I'd also say that despite my post earlier which basically said he hadn't tried anything therefore hadn't made any errors therefore was being seen as our best player... he has. He has missed our best chance in each game, and missed them badly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted June 20, 2010 Share Posted June 20, 2010 I'd also say that despite my post earlier which basically said he hadn't tried anything therefore hadn't made any errors therefore was being seen as our best player... he has. He has missed our best chance in each game, and missed them badly. I wouldn't trust him to score one-on-one facing an empty net. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted June 20, 2010 Share Posted June 20, 2010 I think the problem with having Heskey on is it is just inviting you to play the long ball to him too much rather than play a pass and move type of football. This problem is compounded by the fact this fucking Jabulani ball is completely unpredictable in the air, leading to overhit long balls more often than not. You need to change your game to adapt to the circumstances at this World Cup, and go with players who provide more technical ability and movement. I feel sorry for Heskey in a way; even though he hasn't played badly and has delivered what you might expect from him as a player, this is not what the team currently needs, so he has to be dropped despite the fact he has played to his ability where other players have not hit anywhere near their potential level. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted June 20, 2010 Share Posted June 20, 2010 I think the problem with having Heskey on is it is just inviting you to play the long ball to him too much rather than play a pass and move type of football. This problem is compounded by the fact this fucking Jabulani ball is completely unpredictable in the air, leading to overhit long balls more often than not. You need to change your game to adapt to the circumstances at this World Cup, and go with players who provide more technical ability and movement. I feel sorry for Heskey in a way; even though he hasn't played badly and has delivered what you might expect from him as a player, this is not what the team currently needs, so he has to be dropped despite the fact he has played to his ability where other players have not hit anywhere near their potential level. Is a nicer way of what I wanted to say Although he does annoy me still Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorJ_01 Posted June 20, 2010 Share Posted June 20, 2010 Heskey is gash. I feel sorry for him. He clearly knows he's gash, it's as if his performances are saying 'stop picking me, I'm gash!'. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Phil K Posted June 21, 2010 Share Posted June 21, 2010 What's the point of this thread? Do people really think Heskey is the reason we're doing so poorly? definitley one of themain reasons. Did you notice england's game plan last night?! I saw what they were doing. I'm not sure it was the gameplan, tbh. The occasional views of a shouting Capello tearing his hair out, would say you're right. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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