World on alert Germans marching again!

[Parky]

Four semis? That's the same record as Spain then.

 

Aye, and you're the most underperforming nation of them all!

 

Zing!

[Guest Stephen927]

Worst pile of shite I've seen on a football pitch. I thought the one plus of England going out early would be James Corden fucking off with his shite show, but no.

[leffe186]

Think you're right Jayson, the main questions we should be asking are about team selection, motivation and player psychology.  I don't think there are massive systemic problems with the English game.

 

We spent most of the season calling these same players brilliant.

Team selection yes, but I think the problems with motivation and psychology in this particular group of players are too ingrained for an international manager to change. I'm inclined to side with this particular "what's wrong with the English game by x" article:

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/worldcup2010/article-1290667/MARTIN-SAMUEL-If-England-brain-dangerous.html

 

There are still people out there who feel that passion was the issue, which is buggering my mind. If Barry can carry the ball over the halfway line only to find Lampard, Gerrard and Rooney within ten yards, five yards in front of him then it's clear that no-one is thinking about the game. If Rooney can come deep to pick up the ball in midfield and turn to find two men on the right wing two on the left and no-one in the middle then it's clear that no-one is thinking about the game.

 

Terry said that he was leading, what he was born to do, yet he couldn't make critical on-field decisions to cope with the way Germany played - talking to the players in front of him. One glaring problem in the first couple of games was so many players with "free" roles (Gerrard, Lampard, Rooney, even Heskey) yet the leader was calling for another one, Joe Cole.

 

Capello should have known that by now. I would have been happier with a team that accepted our limitations and used the pace and guile of Adam Johnson and Lennon on the wings, the occasionally unplayable Crouch up front and kept it solid everywhere else. Lampard, Rooney and (before this year at least) Gerrard have been playing in teams that afford them the freedom to express themselves - hence we have at times called them brilliant. They are clearly not capable of adapting to anything else effectively, and since Capello found it impossible to drop even one of them then he reaped the whirlwind.

[ohmelads]

The entire argument about technique/touch etc is dependant upon the idea that England players are playing at their full potential when they were an England shirt on the big stage in the first place. They clearly werent this time. It couldnt be more blindingly obvious that they werent. So seeing that as the main talking point is cringeworthy to me.

 

Lets make them develop more skills that they wont show anyone when the time comes. Class.

 

There is nothing wrong with how we play football anyway. Only the last couple of tournaments have gone downhill, seeing as we didnt make one & were now soundly beaten in the other. The rest we lost on pens, had red cards against us, ronaldinho fluking goals. Often against the sides that make the final/win the competition. Even this time it took a poor call to stop it being 2-2 and who knows where it would have gone.

 

We may have a better pool of talent to choose from if there were more English players being given chances to develop. Thats true. Going into it much more deeply than that is an absolute waste of time.

 

 

 

I agree with this line of thinking. People are looking only at the Germany game, ignoring the fact we choked against Algeria too. The players obviously weren't performing at their best. This is what we should be addressing because if we can't get the best out of our players we will always struggle. It has been Spain's problem in the past and they play a totally different style.

 

These players have won Premier League titles, Champions League trophies, they have beaten teams like Barcelona. They know how to play football. They couldn't perform against Algeria and people are talking about technique and schoolboys coaching?

[NG32]

The entire argument about technique/touch etc is dependant upon the idea that England players are playing at their full potential when they were an England shirt on the big stage in the first place. They clearly werent this time. It couldnt be more blindingly obvious that they werent. So seeing that as the main talking point is cringeworthy to me.

 

Lets make them develop more skills that they wont show anyone when the time comes. Class.

 

There is nothing wrong with how we play football anyway. Only the last couple of tournaments have gone downhill, seeing as we didnt make one & were now soundly beaten in the other. The rest we lost on pens, had red cards against us, ronaldinho fluking goals. Often against the sides that make the final/win the competition. Even this time it took a poor call to stop it being 2-2 and who knows where it would have gone.

 

We may have a better pool of talent to choose from if there were more English players being given chances to develop. Thats true. Going into it much more deeply than that is an absolute waste of time.

 

 

 

I agree with this line of thinking. People are looking only at the Germany game, ignoring the fact we choked against Algeria too. The players obviously weren't performing at their best. This is what we should be addressing because if we can't get the best out of our players we will always struggle. It has been Spain's problem in the past and they play a totally different style.

 

These players have won Premier League titles, Champions League trophies, they have beaten teams like Barcelona. They know how to play football. They couldn't perform against Algeria and people are talking about technique and schoolboys coaching?

 

 

These players have won these titles with the help of foriegn players in their teams.  Stick these fuckers in one team and they are clueless. 

 

We are saying we as a nation should be producing the players with the skills that these foriegn lads have.

 

[Wullie]

Exactly gimp. We didn't just struggle against Algeria, they passed us off the fucking park. We can't do possession football, it's all attempts at long rangers and 50 yard crossfield passes. How long have we been talking about hollywood balls with regards the national team? We've always had match winners but lack the ability to really control a game. With Spain i think it's the exact opposite, incidentally, until david villa turned up.

[Guest Heneage]

England's problem was they picked the best 11 players, not the best team.

[Greg]

The entire argument about technique/touch etc is dependant upon the idea that England players are playing at their full potential when they were an England shirt on the big stage in the first place. They clearly werent this time. It couldnt be more blindingly obvious that they werent. So seeing that as the main talking point is cringeworthy to me.

 

Lets make them develop more skills that they wont show anyone when the time comes. Class.

 

There is nothing wrong with how we play football anyway. Only the last couple of tournaments have gone downhill, seeing as we didnt make one & were now soundly beaten in the other. The rest we lost on pens, had red cards against us, ronaldinho fluking goals. Often against the sides that make the final/win the competition. Even this time it took a poor call to stop it being 2-2 and who knows where it would have gone.

 

We may have a better pool of talent to choose from if there were more English players being given chances to develop. Thats true. Going into it much more deeply than that is an absolute waste of time.

 

 

 

I agree with this line of thinking. People are looking only at the Germany game, ignoring the fact we choked against Algeria too. The players obviously weren't performing at their best. This is what we should be addressing because if we can't get the best out of our players we will always struggle. It has been Spain's problem in the past and they play a totally different style.

 

These players have won Premier League titles, Champions League trophies, they have beaten teams like Barcelona. They know how to play football. They couldn't perform against Algeria and people are talking about technique and schoolboys coaching?

 

People keep coming out with this but only 4 of the team that started against Germany have won the Premier League title and only 2 have won the Champions League.

 

It's not as if our side is made up of 11 players all playing at the very top of domestic football in this country.

[NG32]

England's problem was they picked the best 11 players, not the best team.

 

I agree with that as well.

 

I still think as a nation tho we produce players that look unfomy/awkward taking possession of a football under pressure.  Rooney, Gerrard & Lampard plus the others are mainly used to being on top and in control of a game for 90% of the time.  Not at the world cup, you need to keep possesion.

 

The only player we had in the squad whose game is based around making passes was Carrick and he was never used.

[leffe186]

England's problem was they picked the best 11 players, not the best team.

That's one problem, the next one is that the best team isn't that great. Who plays RB in the best team? CB? The best teams develop by playing together and that isn't often possible at international level (injuries etc) so you need intelligent and adaptable players. That takes us back to the Martin Samuel article.

[Guest Stephen927]

Was quite surprised to see how little control Rooney had of the ball each time he got it. He played like me at a Red vs Blue game.

[Keefaz]

Capello picked two complete idiots in defence. That was a big mistake.

[Greg]

Williams is powering herself to victory here.

 

Does she have dual nationality? Get her in a CB, would over a more physical presence than Upson, would have probably stopped the first against the Germans.

[Guest Heneage]

England's problem was they picked the best 11 players, not the best team.

That's one problem, the next one is that the best team isn't that great. Who plays RB in the best team? CB? The best teams develop by playing together and that isn't often possible at international level (injuries etc) so you need intelligent and adaptable players. That takes us back to the Martin Samuel article.

Arguably the back line is the only thing I wouldn't change. Micah Richards or Onouha are the only other notable right backs I can think of. Cole is the best fullback England has, and the centre back options were limited, I'd have started King though.

 

It's the midfield that needs the overhaul.

[Keefaz]

Glen Johnson : international full-back. You're having a fucking giraffe aren't you? Honestly think if Gary Neville had been playing we wouldn't have been humped anywhere near as badly.

[Guest Heneage]

Glen Johnson : international full-back. You're having a f***ing giraffe aren't you? Honestly think if Gary Neville had been playing we wouldn't have been humped anywhere near as badly.

Gary Neville now? Or back when he actually played more than 5 times a season?

[Village Idiot]

Surprised Capello didn't pick Wes Brown, although I imagine his injury problems these last two seasons played a part. But way more solid than Johnson.

[Tooj]

Glen Johnson : international full-back. You're having a fucking giraffe aren't you? Honestly think if Gary Neville had been playing we wouldn't have been humped anywhere near as badly.

 

Neville was criminally underrated in his prime like. He got loads of grief simply due to his surname being Neville - that and him being an absolute tosspot. He was definitely taken for granted during his time playing for England.

 

Not quite in the class of someone like Zanetti or Cafu, but he was always reliable, just like Dennis Irwin was.

[Keefaz]

Glen Johnson : international full-back. You're having a f***ing giraffe aren't you? Honestly think if Gary Neville had been playing we wouldn't have been humped anywhere near as badly.

Gary Neville now? Or back when he actually played more than 5 times a season?

 

Just pointing out the difference between an international class defender and a very raw player.

[Guest Stephen927]

Capello should go 3-5-2, play with wing backs.

[Tooj]

Surprised Capello didn't pick Wes Brown, although I imagine his injury problems these last two seasons played a part. But way more solid than Johnson.

 

Now there's a player who never fulfilled his potential. When he first broke into the Man Utd team he was utter quality. He's never been the same since he had his cruciate injury.

[Cajun]

Surprised Capello didn't pick Wes Brown, although I imagine his injury problems these last two seasons played a part. But way more solid than Johnson.

 

Now there's a player who never fulfilled his potential. When he first broke into the Man Utd team he was utter quality. He's never been the same since he had his cruciate injury.

 

+John O'Shea.

[Guest Heneage]

It's funny how rare it is for England to give a player a debut. The majority of the players in the squad made their debut prior to 2004. Yet Ozil by comparison was playing for the U21'S against England as little as last year.

[Gash]

It's funny how rare it is for England to give a player a debut. Every player in the squad made their debut prior to 2004. Yet Ozil by comparison was playing for the U21'S against England as little as last year.

I agree, we need perhaps a young manager who will take these risks. Another issue is the pressure, people want here and now and think we can't get that from young players, it's the mentality from the media.

[Cajun]

It's funny how rare it is for England to give a player a debut. Every player in the squad made their debut prior to 2004. Yet Ozil by comparison was playing for the U21'S against England as little as last year.

 

Is that true? Milner made his international debut 6 years ago?