Ishmael Posted February 20, 2011 Share Posted February 20, 2011 Well, if Guardiola was tactically competent he would understand that there cannot be one way to win a football match. a tactical nirvana does not exist. he needs to stop ignorantly plodding along with the same approach. i.e. this barcelona squad was wasted last season. they should have beaten inter and should have lifted the CL (it's one of the greatest collections of technical and physical ability ever) but they didn't. why? because inter player the better football. better football, i define as being an approach that has a greater certainty of winning. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishmael Posted February 20, 2011 Share Posted February 20, 2011 their variations are subtle in their approach, and seem limited to their shape. to my eye at least. i reject how you have compared an inter team to a real team. the only similarity is mourinho. but, the fact that they are two entirely different squads voids any comparison you may choose to make. tbh, real were awful, it wasn't a contest at any stage. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frazzle Posted February 20, 2011 Share Posted February 20, 2011 Dresden, if you were in charge at Barcelona would have sacked Guardiola yet to bring in a more tactically astute manager? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted February 20, 2011 Share Posted February 20, 2011 This thread the last hour Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaizero Posted February 20, 2011 Share Posted February 20, 2011 Every manager have their favoured strategy and vision of how "football is to be played". Guariola and Mourinho are comparable in the sense that they are on different ends on the attacking / defensive scale, hence why a comparison between two Mourinho managed teams is viable in this situation as his general vision have not changed just because the clubs and personell have changed. Looking at the match between Barcelona and Real, to my eye it appears as if Mourinho employed a similar tactic to what he did with Inter, only that Barcelona had a completely different outlook on either of the games and thus crushing Mourinho's gameplan. Naturally, the different personell and situations aren't all that comparable, but what is comparable are the tactics employed by either team in either match managed by the same two managers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Village Idiot Posted February 20, 2011 Share Posted February 20, 2011 Should I...? Nah. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishmael Posted February 20, 2011 Share Posted February 20, 2011 Dresden, if you were in charge at Barcelona would have sacked Guardiola yet to bring in a more tactically astute manager? If I was somehow placed in charge as of this second, then no. I wouldn't sack him based on the last fortnight. Reckon we come back to this hypothetical question at the end of the season. Whatever happens, it'll be an exciting season, both in spain and europe (more so europe). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishmael Posted February 20, 2011 Share Posted February 20, 2011 Every manager have their favoured strategy and vision of how "football is to be played". Guariola and Mourinho are comparable in the sense that they are on different ends on the attacking / defensive scale, hence why a comparison between two Mourinho managed teams is viable in this situation as his general vision have not changed just because the clubs and personell have changed. Looking at the match between Barcelona and Real, to my eye it appears as if Mourinho employed a similar tactic to what he did with Inter, only that Barcelona had a completely different outlook on either of the games and thus crushing Mourinho's gameplan. Naturally, the different personell and situations aren't all that comparable, but what is comparable are the tactics employed by either team in either match managed by the same two managers. mourinho got his tactics wrong with that real side imo in hindsight, i think they should have gone more toe to toe with barcelona as they didn't have the personnel capable of executing mourinho's approach. really looking forward to the next clash now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaizero Posted February 20, 2011 Share Posted February 20, 2011 Every manager have their favoured strategy and vision of how "football is to be played". Guariola and Mourinho are comparable in the sense that they are on different ends on the attacking / defensive scale, hence why a comparison between two Mourinho managed teams is viable in this situation as his general vision have not changed just because the clubs and personell have changed. Looking at the match between Barcelona and Real, to my eye it appears as if Mourinho employed a similar tactic to what he did with Inter, only that Barcelona had a completely different outlook on either of the games and thus crushing Mourinho's gameplan. Naturally, the different personell and situations aren't all that comparable, but what is comparable are the tactics employed by either team in either match managed by the same two managers. mourinho got his tactics wrong with that real side imo in hindsight, i think they should have gone more toe to toe with barcelona as they didn't have the personnel capable of executing mourinho's approach. really looking forward to the next clash now. That was my point, the tactics were wrong because they were the same as he used for Inter, but Barcelona had changed tactics from the last meeting between a Mourinho team and Guardiola. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaizero Posted February 20, 2011 Share Posted February 20, 2011 This thread the last hour I've got popcorn. http://img190.imageshack.us/img190/9730/fsdfk.jpg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
midds Posted February 20, 2011 Share Posted February 20, 2011 their variations are subtle in their approach, and seem limited to their shape. to my eye at least. i reject how you have compared an inter team to a real team. the only similarity is mourinho. but, the fact that they are two entirely different squads voids any comparison you may choose to make. tbh, real were awful, it wasn't a contest at any stage. What?? With a tactically inept manager, the one dimensional Barca team lashed them? Surely not... You also brought Mourinho into the discussion btw. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Village Idiot Posted February 20, 2011 Share Posted February 20, 2011 It's a bit of a myth that Madrid didn't press during the 5-0 win. Watch the match opening moves and you'll see that they were obviously ordered to do so (why wouldn't they?) they just aren't used to it and their positioning on that regard was dreadful. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishmael Posted February 20, 2011 Share Posted February 20, 2011 no, for me, it was the inferior team at mourinho's disposal rather than barcelona's approach that resulted in the inhalation. however, your posts has planted a little uncertainty in my head. i'd always assumed that they were nullified somewhat in the inter ties. only a little uncertainty mind Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted February 20, 2011 Share Posted February 20, 2011 no, for me, it was the inferior team at mourinho's disposal rather than barcelona's approach that resulted in the inhalation. however, your posts has planted a little uncertainty in my head. i'd always assumed that they were nullified somewhat in the inter ties. only a little uncertainty mind Calling Madrid's squad "inferior" comes a close second to calling Barcelona's football "tactically shit". You are on fire tonight Dresden. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
midds Posted February 20, 2011 Share Posted February 20, 2011 no, for me, it was the inferior team at mourinho's disposal rather than barcelona's approach that resulted in the inhalation. however, your posts has planted a little uncertainty in my head. i'd always assumed that they were nullified somewhat in the inter ties. only a little uncertainty mind Deep breaths... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishmael Posted February 20, 2011 Share Posted February 20, 2011 no, for me, it was the inferior team at mourinho's disposal rather than barcelona's approach that resulted in the inhalation. however, your posts has planted a little uncertainty in my head. i'd always assumed that they were nullified somewhat in the inter ties. only a little uncertainty mind Calling Madrid's squad "inferior" comes a close second to calling Barcelona's football "tactically s***". You are on fire tonight Dresden. erm, real madrid's team is clearly an inferior footballing team to barcelona. you cannot surely be disputing that? thing about the 'tactically shit' thing is that yeah, i did not express myself sufficiently in that post. so fair play. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Snrub Posted February 20, 2011 Share Posted February 20, 2011 Why are people still giving this cretin the time of day? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted February 20, 2011 Share Posted February 20, 2011 no, for me, it was the inferior team at mourinho's disposal rather than barcelona's approach that resulted in the inhalation. however, your posts has planted a little uncertainty in my head. i'd always assumed that they were nullified somewhat in the inter ties. only a little uncertainty mind Calling Madrid's squad "inferior" comes a close second to calling Barcelona's football "tactically s***". You are on fire tonight Dresden. erm, real madrid's team is clearly an inferior footballing team to barcelona. you cannot surely be disputing that? thing about the 'tactically s***' thing is that yeah, i did not express myself sufficiently in that post. so fair play. I despair, I really do. Seriously, Real Madrid's team is not clearly inferior to any team in the world as it is undisputedly one of the best teams in the world run by one of the best managers in the world. They were humiliated by Barcelona nevertheless, and this was as much to do with brilliant tactics as it was to do with individual class, which Real Madrid also have in abundance. Your apparent hatred for Barcelona is clearly blurring your clear vision on the subject.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted February 20, 2011 Share Posted February 20, 2011 Why are people still giving this cretin the time of day? Why do you need to resort to name calling because you disagree? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaizero Posted February 20, 2011 Share Posted February 20, 2011 As I said, I'm not really fond of Guardiola, especially after his spat with Solbakken. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=we8w-85KkJI (Not really a "footy" video since it's just two managers walking off arguing, surely? Just remove if it's doubtful. ) But come on, one dimensional and tactically inept? Every team have a preffered style of play, even Newcastle do. It's the subtle changes to that preffered style of play that makes and breaks a manager, and Guardiola's not broken. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishmael Posted February 20, 2011 Share Posted February 20, 2011 Urgh, and to think: I actually backed up your corner when you were 'comedy banned'. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishmael Posted February 20, 2011 Share Posted February 20, 2011 no, for me, it was the inferior team at mourinho's disposal rather than barcelona's approach that resulted in the inhalation. however, your posts has planted a little uncertainty in my head. i'd always assumed that they were nullified somewhat in the inter ties. only a little uncertainty mind Calling Madrid's squad "inferior" comes a close second to calling Barcelona's football "tactically s***". You are on fire tonight Dresden. erm, real madrid's team is clearly an inferior footballing team to barcelona. you cannot surely be disputing that? thing about the 'tactically s***' thing is that yeah, i did not express myself sufficiently in that post. so fair play. I despair, I really do. Seriously, Real Madrid's team is not clearly inferior to any team in the world as it is undisputedly one of the best teams in the world run by one of the best managers in the world. They were humiliated by Barcelona nevertheless, and this was as much to do with brilliant tactics as it was to do with individual class, which Real Madrid also have in abundance. Your apparent hatred for Barcelona is clearly blurring your clear vision on the subject.. inferior to barcelona. please understand the context of my statement. they are also an inferior side to the one mourinho had the season prior in milan. love how me saying that real are inferior to barca somehow supports this 'hatred' for barcelona. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaizero Posted February 20, 2011 Share Posted February 20, 2011 Why are people still giving this cretin the time of day? I enjoy discussing differing views with people. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Snrub Posted February 20, 2011 Share Posted February 20, 2011 Urgh, and to think: I actually backed up your corner when you were 'comedy banned'. Thanks mate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frazzle Posted February 20, 2011 Share Posted February 20, 2011 no, for me, it was the inferior team at mourinho's disposal rather than barcelona's approach that resulted in the inhalation. however, your posts has planted a little uncertainty in my head. i'd always assumed that they were nullified somewhat in the inter ties. only a little uncertainty mind Calling Madrid's squad "inferior" comes a close second to calling Barcelona's football "tactically s***". You are on fire tonight Dresden. erm, real madrid's team is clearly an inferior footballing team to barcelona. you cannot surely be disputing that? thing about the 'tactically s***' thing is that yeah, i did not express myself sufficiently in that post. so fair play. I despair, I really do. Seriously, Real Madrid's team is not clearly inferior to any team in the world as it is undisputedly one of the best teams in the world run by one of the best managers in the world. They were humiliated by Barcelona nevertheless, and this was as much to do with brilliant tactics as it was to do with individual class, which Real Madrid also have in abundance. Your apparent hatred for Barcelona is clearly blurring your clear vision on the subject.. inferior to barcelona ffs. please understand the context of my statement. they are also an inferior side to the one mourinho had the season prior in milan. love how me saying that real are inferior to barca somehow supports this 'hatred' for barcelona. You're hatred was confirmed when you said the team had a 'spine of c**ts' not the comparison to Real. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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