Beren Posted May 19, 2012 Share Posted May 19, 2012 What's the problem with seeding? Seeding is good. Otherwise it'll be like the FA cup and teams equivalent to Cardiff will get to the final. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted May 19, 2012 Share Posted May 19, 2012 What's the problem with seeding? Seeding is good. Otherwise it'll be like the FA cup and teams equivalent to Cardiff will get to the final. Then so be it. Again it gives an unfair advantage towards the clubs in the richest/successful leagues. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted May 19, 2012 Share Posted May 19, 2012 What's the problem with seeding? Seeding is good. Otherwise it'll be like the FA cup and teams equivalent to Cardiff will get to the final. How come that doesn't happen every year in the FA Cup and didn't happen in the old European Cup? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted May 19, 2012 Share Posted May 19, 2012 What's the problem with seeding? It's hugely favoured in terms of draws and finances towards the bigger team due to the coefficients etc. I don't see why a team should be "hamstrug" by what nation they come from, a league win is a league win IMO Despite APOEL reaching the QFs they'll have earnt way less than any of the other QFs this season because they're not an attractive watch. Different argument but the "prize money" in the CL is the main reason the FA/Waffa has turned too. So ridiculously overweighted it's untrue. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted May 19, 2012 Share Posted May 19, 2012 What's the problem with seeding? Seeding is good. Otherwise it'll be like the FA cup and teams equivalent to Cardiff will get to the final. How come that doesn't happen every year in the FA Cup and didn't happen in the old European Cup? It's seeding that makes it easy for the top clubs and harder for the smaller clubs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foluwashola Posted May 19, 2012 Share Posted May 19, 2012 What's the problem with seeding? Seeding is good. Otherwise it'll be like the FA cup and teams equivalent to Cardiff will get to the final. How come that doesn't happen every year in the FA Cup and didn't happen in the old European Cup? Would imagine there would have been a lot more random teams making it to the QFs/SFs, but eventually top teams will always make it to the final. Surely seeding is more of an issue with regards to favouring "elite" clubs than the current qualification system? Not that I want seeding abolished. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted May 19, 2012 Share Posted May 19, 2012 What's the problem with seeding? Seeding is good. Otherwise it'll be like the FA cup and teams equivalent to Cardiff will get to the final. How come that doesn't happen every year in the FA Cup and didn't happen in the old European Cup? Would imagine there would have been a lot more random teams making it to the QFs/SFs, but eventually top teams will always make it to the final. Surely seeding is more of an issue with regards to favouring "elite" clubs than the current qualification system? Not that I want seeding abolished. Of course it is, yeah, and it should be abolished. At the very least it should be gotten rid of once in the tournament proper. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted May 19, 2012 Share Posted May 19, 2012 The drop out from the group stage of the CL to the Waffa cup is a fucking disgrace as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted May 19, 2012 Share Posted May 19, 2012 The drop out from the group stage of the CL to the Waffa cup is a fucking disgrace as well. Absolutely. I'm not sure how UEFA have managed to fuck up such an easy thing so massively tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted May 19, 2012 Share Posted May 19, 2012 The drop out from the group stage of the CL to the Waffa cup is a fucking disgrace as well. How many times have drop outs won it? Personally I think it adds to it because UEFA have devalued it so fucking much. Don't agree with it though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted May 19, 2012 Share Posted May 19, 2012 The drop out from the group stage of the CL to the Waffa cup is a fucking disgrace as well. Yeah that certainly needs to be scrapped, yet another thing that values the competitiveness of the CL over the EL. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted May 19, 2012 Share Posted May 19, 2012 What's the problem with seeding? Seeding is good. Otherwise it'll be like the FA cup and teams equivalent to Cardiff will get to the final. i can't think of one positive aspect of seeding, unless you view the better teams getting a hand to stay as the better teams a positive. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted May 19, 2012 Share Posted May 19, 2012 The drop out from the group stage of the CL to the Waffa cup is a fucking disgrace as well. How many times have drop outs won it? Personally I think it adds to it because UEFA have devalued it so fucking much. Don't agree with it though. Aletico did in 2009/10. Shaktar 2008/09. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted May 19, 2012 Share Posted May 19, 2012 The FA Cup and old European Cup proves that the point about crap teams getting to the final is a completely moot one. And even so who cares if they do, that's the point of knock-out football. Very, very little benefit to seeding. If any. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted May 19, 2012 Share Posted May 19, 2012 Well say if Man Utd and Barcelona are clearly the standout best teams on the continent one year - and particularly if it's entirely a knockout competition like people are saying - then it's a bit of a gutter for the neutral if one of those sides goes out first round by virtue of drawing each other. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted May 19, 2012 Share Posted May 19, 2012 The CL drop-outs coming in helps to compensate for the fact that there's more places in the CL than there used to be so the quality of the second tier competition is watered down, but it's a completely backward way of going about it really. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted May 19, 2012 Share Posted May 19, 2012 The CL drop-outs coming in helps to compensate for the fact that there's more places in the CL than their used to be so the quality of the second tier competition is watered down, but it's a completely backward way of going about it really. Should be top 3 maximum from a singular league IMO in the CL and then expand the Waffa, binning the league stage en route. Got nee beef with the CL group phases tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foluwashola Posted May 19, 2012 Share Posted May 19, 2012 Well say if Man Utd and Barcelona are clearly the standout best teams on the continent one year - and particularly if it's entirely a knockout competition like people are saying - then it's a bit of a gutter for the neutral if one of those sides goes out first round by virtue of drawing each other. Aye, they've got a difficult balancing act between entertainment and equality. Whatever way they go about it, there'll be complaints. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted May 19, 2012 Share Posted May 19, 2012 Think the main reason for the CL drop-outs is to keep the CL groups competitive. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted May 19, 2012 Share Posted May 19, 2012 Think the main reason for the CL drop-outs is to keep the CL groups competitive. and to keep the coffers ticking over for those knocked out. pretty sure my reason is the main reason. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted May 19, 2012 Share Posted May 19, 2012 Think the main reason for the CL drop-outs is to keep the CL groups competitive. and to keep the coffers ticking over for those knocked out. pretty sure my reason is the main reason. Just about it, it's to keep if anyone big goes out within Europe for TV reasons. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted May 19, 2012 Share Posted May 19, 2012 Think the main reason for the CL drop-outs is to keep the CL groups competitive. and to keep the coffers ticking over for those knocked out. pretty sure my reason is the main reason. I really don't think it is, they brought it in when there were situations of teams with no chance of qualifying from the groups essentially throwing games because they couldn't be arsed, leading to a few teams getting fucked over in the process. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGuv Posted May 19, 2012 Share Posted May 19, 2012 It would be class if they got rid of seeding like. In 1978 the winners of the football league, Nottingham Forest played the champions of europe, Liverpool. What a tie to have. Instead of all the tedious knock out games that all the best teams will get out of anyway to get to the last 8. Get fucking rid of it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted May 19, 2012 Share Posted May 19, 2012 Well say if Man Utd and Barcelona are clearly the standout best teams on the continent one year - and particularly if it's entirely a knockout competition like people are saying - then it's a bit of a gutter for the neutral if one of those sides goes out first round by virtue of drawing each other. whats the point in having a draw then ? has the seeding in the past, giving these teams an easier run aided their rise to this position ? ie if man utd were drawn against barce in the first round and got knocked that would be a bit of a dent to their finances, meaning they may not be able to go out and buy the best like they have done in the past. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted May 19, 2012 Share Posted May 19, 2012 Well say if Man Utd and Barcelona are clearly the standout best teams on the continent one year - and particularly if it's entirely a knockout competition like people are saying - then it's a bit of a gutter for the neutral if one of those sides goes out first round by virtue of drawing each other. Aye, they've got a difficult balancing act between entertainment and equality. Whatever way they go about it, there'll be complaints. Man U could play Barca in the last 16 anyway. Last 32 straight knock-out with no seeding. Last 64 with the Europa League. Group stages means more games which is cool but they're generally wank anyway. Knock-out is always where it gets entertaining. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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