buzza Posted November 14, 2013 Share Posted November 14, 2013 Ronaldo, you shouldn't let your ego cloud your judgement, we all make mistakes and bigger the man who is prepared to admit to one when evidence points completely to the contrary of what they are preaching... Good, because I wholeheartedly believe that you're wrong and will look forward to you possibly admitting it. LOL, I like that! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
buzza Posted November 14, 2013 Share Posted November 14, 2013 Ronaldo, you shouldn't let your ego cloud your judgement, we all make mistakes and bigger the man who is prepared to admit to one when evidence points completely to the contrary of what they are preaching... Good, because I wholeheartedly believe that you're wrong and will look forward to you possibly admitting it. LOL, I like that! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest icemanblue Posted November 14, 2013 Share Posted November 14, 2013 Third time's the charm. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
buzza Posted November 14, 2013 Share Posted November 14, 2013 Being good at one thing (breaking up play and playing it simple) doesn't make you a good footballer, though. Whenever he's been used to try and do more than that he's come up badly short. He hadn't even been good at breaking things down for a while and just bulldozed through people like a complete idiot. He's our version of Nigel De Jong (and I know that I say that all the time) in that he looks good when you have a team that is defending and won't/can't retain possession for long periods. At the moment that looks like us, but whenever we keep the ball and need someone to keep it moving, he looks crap. We have Anita for that, we just need to use him. Agree completely with second paragraph. We have to realize that different teams need different approaches, hope Pardew does aswell and it's not a case of his pragmatic approach rather than the soundbites he gave us earlier on in the season i.e. possession attacking football.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
buzza Posted November 14, 2013 Share Posted November 14, 2013 I don't think the dispute is about Anita or Chieck, according to Ron chieck is a "crap" footballer in all aspects. The rest of us like to point out that there should be a balance between defensive and offensive facets to their play i.e. Anita's offensive play outweighs his defensive and vice versa with Chieck. I don't think Norwich will be such a pushover TBH, hope the players don't have our nonchalant, "we'll win" attitude. Banana skin suitably placed... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted November 14, 2013 Share Posted November 14, 2013 I never said 'all aspects' as far as I'm aware. I've consistently maintained that there's a place for him in certain fixtures. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
buzza Posted November 14, 2013 Share Posted November 14, 2013 No problem. I think we all know he is not Messi with the ball at his feet but if he keeps it simple his game contribution raises to really great levels. We have other players in the team who can make "those" passes and dictate rythym. Equilibrium is equally important in the midfield and I think that between Anita and Chieck we have two expamples of how the team can lean one way or another depending on who is on the pitch and the type of opposition. We actually look better with a 442 than with the 433 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted November 14, 2013 Share Posted November 14, 2013 Rons blatantly backtracking. I respected you more when you stood by your opinions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted November 14, 2013 Share Posted November 14, 2013 I just did, you idiot. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted November 14, 2013 Share Posted November 14, 2013 Hang on lads ive hooked a big un. I actually agree with you. Tiotes a good player to a certain level but I feel hes rendered usless against weaker sides, or simply when we have more possession. However give him a backs to the wall game and he'll be a standout player. He's a valuable player in that sense. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted November 14, 2013 Share Posted November 14, 2013 that's funny like, 'cause when he was shit and other people were saying what ronaldo is saying just now he was busy telling everyone that tiote wasn't a footballer - would like to see these posts where he was advocating a selective role for him 'cause i really don't recall any Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted November 14, 2013 Share Posted November 14, 2013 that's funny like, 'cause when he was shit and other people were saying what ronaldo is saying just now he was busy telling everyone that tiote wasn't a footballer - would like to see these posts where he was advocating a selective role for him 'cause i really don't recall any Who cares? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted November 14, 2013 Share Posted November 14, 2013 that's funny like, 'cause when he was shit and other people were saying what ronaldo is saying just now he was busy telling everyone that tiote wasn't a footballer - would like to see these posts where he was advocating a selective role for him 'cause i really don't recall any Who cares? what the fuck ian? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenny Posted November 14, 2013 Share Posted November 14, 2013 I find that the length's of players "poor form" gets exaggerated on this forum at times, and a certain amount of history re-writing takes place. Tiote hasn't been terrible for 2 years. He was poor on the whole last season, and average the season before with some decent performances thrown in. Certain people tend to keep repeating the same bollocks until it almost seems like it's become consensus so no one questions it. Jonas is victim to this treatment as well. Whilst I wholeheartedly agree that he shouldn't be near our first 11 anymore, he has had some prolonged spells throughout his time here where he's looked a decent attacking winger (I recall reading various comments regarding an improvement in his crossing over a 6-12 month period a couple of seasons ago). I appreciate that it's an internet forum so there's going to be an element of hyperbole, especially around matchday when posts are 99% passion 1% reason, but in my time on this forum I've noticed a lot of exaggerations regarding players' form, and a brushing under the carpet of the good they've done, especially when posters appear to have an agenda with the player. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted November 14, 2013 Share Posted November 14, 2013 that's funny like, 'cause when he was shit and other people were saying what ronaldo is saying just now he was busy telling everyone that tiote wasn't a footballer - would like to see these posts where he was advocating a selective role for him 'cause i really don't recall any Who cares? what the fuck ian? Sorry marra. Just find this so-and-so said this in the past stuff quite tiring. Possibly because I've talked so much bollocks myself. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted November 14, 2013 Share Posted November 14, 2013 not something i bother with but if ronaldo is going to stalk the forum being judge, jury and executioner on all of ours players he should at least be consistent imo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted November 14, 2013 Share Posted November 14, 2013 There's an archive for a reason. If you can't stand by what you say or hold your handd up when you're wrong then you should probably grow thicker skin or accept the nature of the beast. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted November 14, 2013 Share Posted November 14, 2013 There's an archive for a reason. If you can't stand by what you say or hold your handd up when you're wrong then you should probably grow thicker skin or accept the nature of the beast. What if you change your mind as people often do. You change your view on things as more information comes to light. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hughesy Posted November 14, 2013 Share Posted November 14, 2013 I find that the length's of players "poor form" gets exaggerated on this forum at times, and a certain amount of history re-writing takes place. Tiote hasn't been terrible for 2 years. He was poor on the whole last season, and average the season before with some decent performances thrown in. Certain people tend to keep repeating the same bollocks until it almost seems like it's become consensus so no one questions it. Jonas is victim to this treatment as well. Whilst I wholeheartedly agree that he shouldn't be near our first 11 anymore, he has had some prolonged spells throughout his time here where he's looked a decent attacking winger (I recall reading various comments regarding an improvement in his crossing over a 6-12 month period a couple of seasons ago). I appreciate that it's an internet forum so there's going to be an element of hyperbole, especially around matchday when posts are 99% passion 1% reason, but in my time on this forum I've noticed a lot of exaggerations regarding players' form, and a brushing under the carpet of the good they've done, especially when posters appear to have an agenda with the player. Couldn't agree more. Absolutely spot on. Tiote was never as bad as people were making out. Not even close. Same goes for Jonas. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted November 14, 2013 Share Posted November 14, 2013 Do I really have to dig out a post where I said Tiote is only worth playing when we're really up against it? Move on, Mojo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest icemanblue Posted November 14, 2013 Share Posted November 14, 2013 I find that the length's of players "poor form" gets exaggerated on this forum at times, and a certain amount of history re-writing takes place. Tiote hasn't been terrible for 2 years. He was poor on the whole last season, and average the season before with some decent performances thrown in. Certain people tend to keep repeating the same bollocks until it almost seems like it's become consensus so no one questions it. Jonas is victim to this treatment as well. Whilst I wholeheartedly agree that he shouldn't be near our first 11 anymore, he has had some prolonged spells throughout his time here where he's looked a decent attacking winger (I recall reading various comments regarding an improvement in his crossing over a 6-12 month period a couple of seasons ago). I appreciate that it's an internet forum so there's going to be an element of hyperbole, especially around matchday when posts are 99% passion 1% reason, but in my time on this forum I've noticed a lot of exaggerations regarding players' form, and a brushing under the carpet of the good they've done, especially when posters appear to have an agenda with the player. Couldn't agree more with this, like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted November 14, 2013 Share Posted November 14, 2013 Don't think it's sensible bringing Jonas into this discussion, like. When a winger goes over 50 games without an assist and scores 5 PL goals in 5 years I'd say the only hyperbole is coming from those defending him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenny Posted November 15, 2013 Share Posted November 15, 2013 Don't think it's sensible bringing Jonas into this discussion, like. When a winger goes over 50 games without an assist and scores 5 PL goals in 5 years I'd say the only hyperbole is coming from those defending him. Actually, I think Jonas is the perfect example of what I'm getting at, as is your response. Jonas' 50 odd games without getting an assist has coincided with his massive decline in his worth to the team, however he has played (according to Wiki) 177 games for us. Whilst he has blown hot and cold throughout his time with us, those who deny he hasn't had spells where he's been very useful to us either has a very short term memory, or has an agenda with the player. This applies to Tiote, Jonas, and whoever is currently shit. Just because a player is poor now, it doesn't erase all of the good they have done in the past. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted November 15, 2013 Share Posted November 15, 2013 He was pretty decent in the Championship. I won't deny that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted November 15, 2013 Share Posted November 15, 2013 Jonas was decent in the Championship and went through a decent spell around January in the season after we came up IIRC, but has been poor to woeful for most of his time here. Most of the Jonas/Jose partnership came from Jose being an excellent full back that helped Jonas massively, most of the time Jonas would either lose possession or he'd play a simple pass to Enrique and let him do the hard part. I said as much back then as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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