Ronaldo Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 Anita, as much as I'm not his biggest fan, is in another world when it comes to receiving, retaining and distributing the ball at the right time in the right place. so that doesn't make tiote a footballer? which is what you've said bollocks He's a defensive midfielder who can't be trusted to retain or distribute the ball. What's his purpose? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Duper Branko Strupar Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 Wow. This is a totally new conversation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 Anita, as much as I'm not his biggest fan, is in another world when it comes to receiving, retaining and distributing the ball at the right time in the right place. so that doesn't make tiote a footballer? which is what you've said bollocks He's a defensive midfielder who can't be trusted to retain or distribute the ball. What's his purpose? just because you keep saying things doesn't make them indisputable facts as much as you'd like it to be the case tiote was shit under pressure when the team was terrible and there was no-one, literally no-one showing for the ball...things have changed, i disagree completely that tiote is incapable of retaining possession as long as people around him are showing for the ball and our general play continues to put the other team on the back foot rather than inviting them onto us like we saw last year Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 He was doing it 4 weeks ago. Things have changed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 He was doing it 4 weeks ago. Things have changed. you're wrong man, face it, happens sometimes Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 Aye. Me and every PL manager who tells his players to target him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 righto man, lambert made a right cunt of the plan on saturday didn't he? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 No, because fortunately even Pardew has more sense than to start him these days. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 No, because fortunately even Pardew has more sense than to start him these days. You know exactly what I mean. Goal in it, Tiote on for what 20 mins? Don't remember losing that game tbf. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Icke - Son of God Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 Tiote's been turboshit for 18 months unfortunately. He keeps hold of the ball too long, he tries to do too much and more often than not when he does pass he puts other players under pressure because he doesn't get his head up and look for a man in space. He's tackling isn't even that much of an asset these days because he's too easily drawn into battles with particular players and just gives away a fuckload of freekicks. Anita's not as physical, but his workrate and the pressure he puts players under means we don't need to have Tiote chucking himself into 50/50s challenges to win the ball back. No brainer for me, like. Anita every day of the week. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 Tiote's been turboshit for 18 months unfortunately. He keeps hold of the ball too long, he tries to do too much and more often than not when he does pass he puts other players under pressure because he doesn't get his head up and look for a man in space. He's tackling isn't even that much of an asset these days because he's too easily drawn into battles with particular players and just gives away a fuckload of freekicks. Anita's not as physical, but his workrate and the pressure he puts players under means we don't need to have Tiote chucking himself into 50/50s challenges to win the ball back. No brainer for me, like. Anita every day of the week. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 Clearly Anita is the best option, but I don't think Tiote is a write-off. In the right situations, and if he recovers a bit of form, he's a useful player. He's not terrible, he just needs to sharpen up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Icke - Son of God Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 Clearly Anita is the best option, but I don't think Tiote is a write-off. In the right situations, and if he recovers a bit of form, he's a useful player. He's not terrible, he just needs to sharpen up. He's not a write off, but he should be a firm second choice behind Anita. I worry Pardew will start to fuck around to try and accommodate him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 Clearly Anita is the best option, but I don't think Tiote is a write-off. In the right situations, and if he recovers a bit of form, he's a useful player. He's not terrible, he just needs to sharpen up. He's not a write off, but he should be a firm second choice behind Anita. I worry Pardew will start to fuck around to try and accommodate him. I share that worry, but the signs are quite good so far so I'm just hoping he holds his nerve. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 Clearly Anita is the best option, but I don't think Tiote is a write-off. In the right situations, and if he recovers a bit of form, he's a useful player. He's not terrible, he just needs to sharpen up. He's not a write off, but he should be a firm second choice behind Anita. I worry Pardew will start to fuck around to try and accommodate him. agree with all Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lotus Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 Hope he takes a long, hard look at himself and realises what he needs to do to get back in the team. Competition for places is good for everyone. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 We've now actually got a modicum of competion for places at CB, CM and ST. It doesn't feel right. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 No, because fortunately even Pardew has more sense than to start him these days. I'm not convinced that is the case yet, need to see more before i commit to the idea that Pardew has realised that Anita should start over him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledGeordie Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 Think its a combination of being found out a bit and being coached into something he's not. Thing is when he came he kept things simple and that was why he was so effective. I remember him being hassled by the Arsenal midfield and still being neat and tidy with the ball so no reason he can't get back to that. No was should he be in the side ahead of Anita at the moment though, he deserves his 1st team place. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JS Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 Think its a combination of being found out a bit and being coached into something he's not. Thing is when he came he kept things simple and that was why he was so effective. I remember him being hassled by the Arsenal midfield and still being neat and tidy with the ball so no reason he can't get back to that. No was should he be in the side ahead of Anita at the moment though, he deserves his 1st team place. Is pretty much what I think. You can't just have physicality in your locker to cut the mustard as a starting top league midfielder. He can pass (simply) when under no real pressure / has his back to the opposition and can run / mark. That's really it. Somebody like Gattuso had so much more to his game apart from sole tenacity. No wonder the Dutch fans thought we were idiots for treating him like a 'demi god' initially. Mind, to his credit, he played like a king vs Liverpool in Pardews first game and he's been decent against the other bigger sides too, but I think his days here should be ending soon. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
buzza Posted September 19, 2013 Share Posted September 19, 2013 It's been mentioned above but I think that with players around him now actually moving into space and taking up "positive" positions he shouldn't have problems distributing the ball quickly. I wouldn't swap him for anita though until we are two goals up and need that defensive "force" in the middle, I prefer Anita's rythym and consistency of good passing. I do feel for Tiote and some of his performances last year as I can remember me getting irate at the lack of movement around him and people "hiding".(can remember shouting at telly for other to pull their fingers out and offer him a pass option) really exacerbated his downfall. Hope he comes good and competes for that middle berth tbh... can only make us better for it! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
buzza Posted September 19, 2013 Share Posted September 19, 2013 P.S. Still feel at times that Anita gets knocked off the ball too easily and should contest a little bit "harder" (old school in me coming out) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted September 19, 2013 Share Posted September 19, 2013 Think its a combination of being found out a bit and being coached into something he's not. Thing is when he came he kept things simple and that was why he was so effective. I remember him being hassled by the Arsenal midfield and still being neat and tidy with the ball so no reason he can't get back to that. No was should he be in the side ahead of Anita at the moment though, he deserves his 1st team place. Is pretty much what I think. You can't just have physicality in your locker to cut the mustard as a starting top league midfielder. He can pass (simply) when under no real pressure / has his back to the opposition and can run / mark. That's really it. Somebody like Gattuso had so much more to his game apart from sole tenacity. No wonder the Dutch fans thought we were idiots for treating him like a 'demi god' initially. Mind, to his credit, he played like a king vs Liverpool in Pardews first game and he's been decent against the other bigger sides too, but I think his days here should be ending soon. Which Dutch fans? No need to rewrite history; he was fantastic when he first came in, and I for one back him to refind that level. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted September 19, 2013 Share Posted September 19, 2013 He was 'fantastic' when we wanted someone simply to protect the defence and merely avoid relegation. Before his weaknesses had been discovered by the rest of the league. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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