Thespence Posted February 27, 2011 Share Posted February 27, 2011 As a attacking midfielder I would have Nolan above Tomas Rosicky. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heron Posted February 27, 2011 Share Posted February 27, 2011 Highest scoring MF in the Prem'? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted February 27, 2011 Share Posted February 27, 2011 As a attacking midfielder I would have Nolan above Tomas Rosicky. Why he is still getting a game for Arsenal perplexes me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thespence Posted February 27, 2011 Share Posted February 27, 2011 As a attacking midfielder I would have Nolan above Tomas Rosicky. Why he is still getting a game for Arsenal perplexes me. He does all the stuff Nolan can't do but I know who is more effective as footballer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted February 27, 2011 Share Posted February 27, 2011 Rosicky was a very good player once upon a time. Euro 2004 the lad was boss. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted February 27, 2011 Share Posted February 27, 2011 Rosicky was a very good player once upon a time. Euro 2004 the lad was boss. Injuries have ruined him. He's lost his ruthless streak, used to get a few goals, now usually bottles the shot. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted February 27, 2011 Share Posted February 27, 2011 As a attacking midfielder I would have Nolan above Tomas Rosicky. Why he is still getting a game for Arsenal perplexes me. He does all the stuff Nolan can't do but I know who is more effective as footballer. Arsene Wenger would never buy someone like Nolan though because Arsenal couldn't play the type of football they do with someone who lacked mobility. Rosicky might be crap but he doesn't fuck up their style of play which is the first concern of Wenger. Man U wouldn't buy Nolan either for the same reason even if he scored 15 goals every season. . While I accept we aren't Man U and Nolan has been useful this season, I want to see us aim higher after this season and look to bring in a central midfielder that the top sides would want in their team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Posted February 27, 2011 Share Posted February 27, 2011 As a attacking midfielder I would have Nolan above Tomas Rosicky. Why he is still getting a game for Arsenal perplexes me. He does all the stuff Nolan can't do but I know who is more effective as footballer. Arsene Wenger would never buy someone like Nolan though because Arsenal couldn't play the type of football they do with someone who lacked mobility. Rosicky might be crap but he doesn't fuck up their style of play which is the first concern of Wenger. Man U wouldn't buy Nolan either for the same reason even if he scored 15 goals every season. . While I accept we aren't Man U and Nolan has been useful this season, I want to see us aim higher after this season and look to bring in a central midfielder that the top sides would want in their team. What do you value more: a collection of high quality individuals? a high functioning team? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted February 27, 2011 Share Posted February 27, 2011 As a attacking midfielder I would have Nolan above Tomas Rosicky. Why he is still getting a game for Arsenal perplexes me. He does all the stuff Nolan can't do but I know who is more effective as footballer. Arsene Wenger would never buy someone like Nolan though because Arsenal couldn't play the type of football they do with someone who lacked mobility. Rosicky might be crap but he doesn't fuck up their style of play which is the first concern of Wenger. Man U wouldn't buy Nolan either for the same reason even if he scored 15 goals every season. . While I accept we aren't Man U and Nolan has been useful this season, I want to see us aim higher after this season and look to bring in a central midfielder that the top sides would want in their team. What do you value more: a collection of high quality individuals? a high functioning team? that's why I included the part "after this season". He's done a job for now, doesn't mean it's all we should aspire to. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Crooks Posted February 27, 2011 Share Posted February 27, 2011 As a attacking midfielder I would have Nolan above Tomas Rosicky. Why he is still getting a game for Arsenal perplexes me. He does all the stuff Nolan can't do but I know who is more effective as footballer. Arsene Wenger would never buy someone like Nolan though because Arsenal couldn't play the type of football they do with someone who lacked mobility. Rosicky might be crap but he doesn't f*** up their style of play which is the first concern of Wenger. Man U wouldn't buy Nolan either for the same reason even if he scored 15 goals every season. . While I accept we aren't Man U and Nolan has been useful this season, I want to see us aim higher after this season and look to bring in a central midfielder that the top sides would want in their team. What do you value more: a collection of high quality individuals? a high functioning team? I'm sitting on the fence here by the way Stu. I see Nolan's value yet he isnt what we need in entirety but I thought i'd point out that those above are not exactly mutually exclusive qualities in relation to each other anyway are they? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thespence Posted February 27, 2011 Share Posted February 27, 2011 As a attacking midfielder I would have Nolan above Tomas Rosicky. Why he is still getting a game for Arsenal perplexes me. He does all the stuff Nolan can't do but I know who is more effective as footballer. Arsene Wenger would never buy someone like Nolan though because Arsenal couldn't play the type of football they do with someone who lacked mobility. Rosicky might be crap but he doesn't f*** up their style of play which is the first concern of Wenger. Man U wouldn't buy Nolan either for the same reason even if he scored 15 goals every season. . While I accept we aren't Man U and Nolan has been useful this season, I want to see us aim higher after this season and look to bring in a central midfielder that the top sides would want in their team. I doubt Pardew would buy an attacking midfielder with 3 PL goals in the last 2 season for for NUFC either. Seriously, would you have Tommy boy at NUFC instead of Nolan? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heron Posted February 27, 2011 Share Posted February 27, 2011 Alright, so having the highest scoring midfielder in the Premiership (11, the same as Carroll, and furthermore 3rd top scorer all round) isn't good enough and we should aspire to more. Don't understand that logic tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdckelly Posted February 27, 2011 Share Posted February 27, 2011 question, how would we get another midfielder who scores as many goals as he does? they ain't exactly common Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Posted February 27, 2011 Share Posted February 27, 2011 As a attacking midfielder I would have Nolan above Tomas Rosicky. Why he is still getting a game for Arsenal perplexes me. He does all the stuff Nolan can't do but I know who is more effective as footballer. Arsene Wenger would never buy someone like Nolan though because Arsenal couldn't play the type of football they do with someone who lacked mobility. Rosicky might be crap but he doesn't fuck up their style of play which is the first concern of Wenger. Man U wouldn't buy Nolan either for the same reason even if he scored 15 goals every season. . While I accept we aren't Man U and Nolan has been useful this season, I want to see us aim higher after this season and look to bring in a central midfielder that the top sides would want in their team. What do you value more: a collection of high quality individuals? a high functioning team? that's why I included the part "after this season". He's done a job for now, doesn't mean it's all we should aspire to. Realistically, how do you envisage the club finding someone who can match everything that Nolan brings to the club plus adding the extra top-level creativity and superfit stamina that Nolan seems to be slated for not having? I'm sitting on the fence here by the way Stu. I see Nolan's value yet he isnt what we need in entirety but I thought i'd point out that those above are not exactly mutually exclusive qualities in relation to each other anyway are they? Nope, they're not, but if we're replacing Nolan we need to find someone who brings everything he does to the table and then some (which better be a hefty sum, given the capital outlay) otherwise we won't be maintaining the latter by striving for the former. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heron Posted February 27, 2011 Share Posted February 27, 2011 We all know the job that Tiote does aids Nolans ability to score goals as well, but which midfield doesn't? Lampard had Makelele when he was probably at his best and Gerrard had Mascherano. Even the likes of Scholes had Roy Keane. I don't understand the need to replace him. He loves it here, he leads by example and he's productive. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted February 27, 2011 Share Posted February 27, 2011 As a attacking midfielder I would have Nolan above Tomas Rosicky. Why he is still getting a game for Arsenal perplexes me. He does all the stuff Nolan can't do but I know who is more effective as footballer. Arsene Wenger would never buy someone like Nolan though because Arsenal couldn't play the type of football they do with someone who lacked mobility. Rosicky might be crap but he doesn't f*** up their style of play which is the first concern of Wenger. Man U wouldn't buy Nolan either for the same reason even if he scored 15 goals every season. . While I accept we aren't Man U and Nolan has been useful this season, I want to see us aim higher after this season and look to bring in a central midfielder that the top sides would want in their team. I doubt Pardew would buy an attacking midfielder with 3 PL goals in the last 2 season for for NUFC either. Seriously, would you have Tommy boy at NUFC instead of Nolan? That's not the point I was making though. Arsene Wenger is going to make bad signings as well as good ones but the one thing he won't change is his philosophy on how he wants to play and the type of players he needs to play that way. Neither will Fergie. Neither will any manager who wants to play beyond a certain standard. If anyone cn explain to me how Nolan would fit into a side like Arsenal, Man U, Chelsea or Liverpool I'd like to hear it. Does this mean I think we ought to be up there with them right now? No, it just means I'd far prefer to look for the next Tiote or HBA than sign a player like Nicky Butt who was also great for the team, great pro, fantastic fella yadda yadda yadda. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thespence Posted February 27, 2011 Share Posted February 27, 2011 Nolan overall has done well on the pitch though. He is playing till the end of this season at the very least & I would be surprised if Pardew dumped him next season but if he did it would be his "David Kelly" moment. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Posted February 27, 2011 Share Posted February 27, 2011 No, it just means I'd far prefer to look for the next Tiote or HBA than sign a player like Nicky Butt who was also great for the team, great pro, fantastic fella yadda yadda yadda. Really? I must have been oblivious to Nicky Butt's notable influence on the dressing room spirit during his time at NUFC. As seasoned a pro as he is/was (and I'm sure he was a model pro for the younger squad players to learn from in training), I don't remember him doing anything out of the ordinary during his time as club captain (or beforehand). Can you post a link to the Nicky Butt stuff? Cheers. Otherwise, if you're not trying to deride Nolan's immeasurable contribution to the club in the past 18months, then can you explain the Butt reference? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted February 27, 2011 Share Posted February 27, 2011 There are at least five positions we should be looking to strengthen before even thinking about getting rid of Nolan. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
womblemaster Posted February 28, 2011 Share Posted February 28, 2011 is parker better than nolan? Not that parker would move outside of london. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
womblemaster Posted February 28, 2011 Share Posted February 28, 2011 @ but if he did it would be his "David Kelly" moment @ the bloke who was murdered by the gov over wmd ?? bit hasrh to accuse pardew of `disposing` of players he doesnt need. I know pardew is part of the axis of evil, holding sway over our club, but i dont think hes yet sunk to the levls of evil that flowed from t he blair/brown era. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted February 28, 2011 Share Posted February 28, 2011 Nolan overall has done well on the pitch though. He is playing till the end of this season at the very least & I would be surprised if Pardew dumped him next season but if he did it would be his "David Kelly" moment. I would agree with that and it is basically what I am saying. David Kelly did a great job for Newcastle but KK sold him after promotion because he wanted to take Newcastle to a higher level. Likewise there will come a point when we'll have to make that decision about Nolan unless our ambition is just to stay in this division on the cheap. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted February 28, 2011 Share Posted February 28, 2011 No, it just means I'd far prefer to look for the next Tiote or HBA than sign a player like Nicky Butt who was also great for the team, great pro, fantastic fella yadda yadda yadda. Really? I must have been oblivious to Nicky Butt's notable influence on the dressing room spirit during his time at NUFC. As seasoned a pro as he is/was (and I'm sure he was a model pro for the younger squad players to learn from in training), I don't remember him doing anything out of the ordinary during his time as club captain (or beforehand). Can you post a link to the Nicky Butt stuff? Cheers. Otherwise, if you're not trying to deride Nolan's immeasurable contribution to the club in the past 18months, then can you explain the Butt reference? Yes I can explain the Butt reference. He was a player who was always one of the first names on the sheet and was constantly praised for his importance to the side by successive managers. But he was let go by Man U because he was crippling their need to play fast passing football. I see Nolan is in the press today quoted as saying he knows he'll never get picked for England despite being only 27. Why is that then? Why is a young lad like Jack Wilshere fast-tracked to international duty while Nolan for all his goals ignored? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Posted February 28, 2011 Share Posted February 28, 2011 I don't really follow the comparison between Butt and Nolan - Butt (bar one season when he'd been written off by EVERYONE) didn't do a great deal. He got named club captain seemingly out of respect (or by virtue of having more medals than the rest of the squad combined). Even when "successive managers" were praising Butt, his performances and contribution was generally derided or slated by supporters. Nolan may have started out on a similar path (written off before he'd started, see: Best, Leon as another example) but he's done far more for the club than you seem to be appreciating. Not going to respond to the random Wilshere comment. He's not going to be Laurent Robert either. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted February 28, 2011 Share Posted February 28, 2011 It's a shame you won't consider the Jack Wilshere comment because the reasons he's playing for Arsenal and England are the exact same reasons why Nolan never will. This isn't me "deriding" him. FWIW I don't think Nolan lacks ability, his passing isn't bad. His problem is his lack of mobility which is one of the reasons most of his goals come from set pieces - same again this weekend. The dead ball allows him to get into position which happens much less in free play because he doesn't have the acceleration to get beyond the strikers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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