Kevin Nolan

[Guest foon]

He's such a liability that we played eight games without him and didn't win one.

Wasn't that more to do with other squad injurys all coming at the same time? Best getting injured for example? It's really not as simple as saying we needed him in those games, because while watching said games I was never overwhelmed with the feeling that we were crying out for Nolans presence.

[Dave]

October 2009 ffs. :lol:

[Baggio]

"Big money".

 

Can't wait for this charade to play out again with Tiote/Coloccini/Cabaye over the next year or two. Greedy cunts.

 

If any of those end up as squad players I wouldn't expect them to be kept either on their wages.

[Theregulars]

To me the fact that he's willing to drop down a division suggests that he himself doesn't believe he can have a repeat year like the season just gone.

[Guest]

Wullie you keep saying this about the British core and Arsenal's weakness today yet the team that won the league unbeaten was Lehmann, Lauren, Cole, Campbell, Toure, Pires, Ljungberg, Vieira, Gilberto, Henry and Bergkamp. Two Brits. They had leaders who weren't British like we have (Tiote, Coloccini...)

[JH]

I love how for the majority of the season people have been complaining about Nolan, saying he's a passenger and so forth and now that he's gone it's a disaster. Some people just want to moan about the team whatever the outcome. Personally, I'll wait to see if a replacement is brought in. If not, then I will give out. TBH, if we were to sign someone like N'Zogbia soon I'd forget about Nolan (which is saying something as Nolan has been my favorite player over the last two seasons).

 

 

well said

 

It's true. It's always the same group of people who try desperately to twist everything into negativity. Can be very tiresome.

 

Aye, because selling your top goalscorer and club captain is such a positive thing

[KaKa]

Guthrie and Gosling have to have some opportunities to play I agree. As younger players, at some point they have to be given opportunities. No problem whatsoever with them stepping in to replace any injured first team players. They have shown more than enough to be considered decent squad players for this Newcastle team.

 

Guthrie's 24. On Mike Ashley's 'ageing' scale he should be at the peak of his career right now.

 

He's not one for the future necessarily. Just a solid squad player, who I feel will look much better alongside players with a bit more movement and mobility. I like Guthrie. I feel like he tries to play the right way. He didn't quite get much support in midfield when he was in there. Didn't really see him alongside Tiote last season. Mostly played with Nolan or Barton I think, and had to play more of an all out holding/defensive role.

[Guest johnson293]

I love how for the majority of the season people have been complaining about Nolan, saying he's a passenger and so forth and now that he's gone it's a disaster. Some people just want to moan about the team whatever the outcome. Personally, I'll wait to see if a replacement is brought in. If not, then I will give out. TBH, if we were to sign someone like N'Zogbia soon I'd forget about Nolan (which is saying something as Nolan has been my favorite player over the last two seasons).

 

 

well said

 

It's true. It's always the same group of people who try desperately to twist everything into negativity. Can be very tiresome.

 

Try to find any moaning from me regarding Nolan. There is none.

 

And we salute you Mr. 

 

Lets face it, Nolan is a average player. And in general play contributes little to our play.

He happen to score 12 goals and someone had to drink piss. But i doubt he will score 12 next season, and then he is a passenger imo.

We need more dynamic players, and strikers that scores for us.

 

Don`t get me wrong, i love the man to death as a person. But for the club to evolve, we need better players.

 

And when these better players are injured, Ryan Taylor will fill in. Hurray.

 

Guthrie, Gosling?

 

They way some people are going on here, its like we sold Messi to Kazakhstan for 2 bucks and a used toothpick.

 

I will come back here 1 sept and admit i was wrong, and that we are fucked if we do not have decent cover at the end of the window.

As there is NO excuse for us not have a young decent up and coming squad next season.

 

I just rest my case until the window is over, then i make my verdict. Nothing more we can do now, right?

 

Guthrie and Gosling?

 

That's progress alright, real strength in depth.

 

So you want to give Nolan a 5y contract? 50k(?) a week? To add depth?

Fucking hell man, are you daft?

 

We should be looking to bring 1-2 young promising cm`s then, do give us depth.

Players who will develop and be better players, not some retirement home.

 

This is my opinion, but if Nolan was not happy with his contract, who have 2 more years left. Then he can go. I hate to say it, but why should we extend it?

Rather use the money to invest in some prospects then.

 

 

Is there only two options like? Give him a 5 year deal or sell immediately?

 

I absolutely despair.

 

No, there was the 3rd option, where Nolan could turn down a move to the Championship (or any other league or club) and honour the remaining two years of his current (probably lucrative) contract... much Like Andy Carroll could have in January.

[Baggio]

“If this club carries on going in the right direction, which I believe it will do, they won’t want me."

[Guest BooBoo]

I've tried to mull on this before coming to knee jerk conclusions, but is anybody concerned about the coming season?

 

Of course it's likely that new signings will arrive but it also looks like Enrique and Barton are certainly off. The core of players that dragged the club off its knees is being pushed out and we'll be left with youngsters and foreign imports. Let's be honest, if next season turns sour, can we really rely on the likes of Ben Arfa, Cabaye and whichever other players we bring in, to dig in and get their hands dirty? Will they really care about the club like that Barton and Nolan very clearly do? We went down in 2009 through off field turmoil but also by way of a lack of strong leadership amongst the players, too many didnt give a shit and you can see history repeating itself quite easily. Which leaders will we be left with? Harper is the remaining senior pro, Steven Taylor not guaranteed a start and the rest are all pretty much quiet men or have a limited grasp of English.

 

It's too simple to think we've signed a better player in Cabaye, so we'll be fine. He very well might be. However, Nolan's contribution in the running of the club in the last two years has been colossal and I'm far from convinced that that's something that can be easily replaced.

 

 

There's no two ways about it, today is a very bad day for the club. Unfortunately, I fear it's just the start. The board did a great job 12 months ago of killing expectations for the coming season and today, they've done exactly the same.

[DJ_NUFC]

Goodness me, Pissi. At least you do more research than many tabloid journalists.

 

[Wullie]

Wullie you keep saying this about the British core and Arsenal's weakness today yet the team that won the league unbeaten was Lehmann, Lauren, Cole, Campbell, Toure, Pires, Ljungberg, Vieira, Gilberto, Henry and Bergkamp. Two Brits. They had leaders who weren't British like we have (Tiote, Coloccini...)

 

Fallen apart in terms of leadership since Keown, Parlour, Campbell have left and not been replaced. Fairly obvious and the same reason Fergie has kept Brown, Fletcher, O'Shea, Scholes on so long and why he continues to buy English players as the bulk of his squad. I've explained this to you so many times.

[Geordie Ahmed]

Am I the only one who think he may fail a medical?

 

It's West Ham, he will pass with flying colours

[JH]

I've tried to mull on this before coming to knee jerk conclusions, but is anybody concerned about the coming season?

 

Of course it's likely that new signings will arrive but it also looks like Enrique and Barton are certainly off. The core of players that dragged the club off its knees is being pushed out and we'll be left with youngsters and foreign imports. Let's be honest, if next season turns sour, can we really rely on the likes of Ben Arfa, Cabaye and whichever other players we bring in, to dig in and get their hands dirty? Will they really care about the club in the like that Barton and Nolan very clearly do? We went down in 2009 through off field turmoil but also a lack of strong leadership amongst the players, too many didnt give a s*** and you can see history repeating itself quite easily. Which leaders will we be left with? Harper is the remaining senior pro, Steven Taylor not guaranteed a start and the rest are all pretty much quiet men or have a limited grasp of English.

 

It's too simple to think we've signed a better player in Cabaye, so we'll be fine. He very well might be. However, Nolan's contribution in the running of the club in the last two years has been colossal and I'm far from convinced that that's something that can be easily replaced.

 

 

There's no two ways about it, today is a very bad day for the club. Unfortunately, I fear it's just the start. The board did a great job 12 months ago of killing expectations for the coming season and today, they've done exactly the same.

 

 

You're supposed to build on a good core of players/of a team, not get it to take you to one goal, immediately dismantled it, replace them all and start again.

[KaKa]

He's such a liability that we played eight games without him and didn't win one.

 

Where are all the teams falling over themselves to sign him then?

 

Who else was missing in those games?

 

What teams did we play? Home or Away?

 

Did you see him against league one opposition puffing and panting away?

 

Not someone you want to invest a longer term contract in at this stage. No way.

 

I saw him get 12 goals against Premier League opposition, you f***ing halfwit.

 

Hear comes the personal abuse. Standard Wullie. You always go there with me. If I retaliated I would get banned for sure. You just can't carry a discussion any other way. Pathetic guy.

[JH]

Am I the only one who think he may fail a medical?

 

It's West Ham, he will pass with flying colours

 

Aye, surely just by being alive and being able to walk makes him capable of passing a West Ham medical?

[Guest johnson293]

Goodness me, Pissi. At least you do more research than many tabloid journalists.

 

 

Speaking of research, SSN report before said Nolan was joining up again with Sam Allardyce, who managed him at Bolton and Newcastle. 

 

[Wullie]

He's such a liability that we played eight games without him and didn't win one.

 

Where are all the teams falling over themselves to sign him then?

 

Who else was missing in those games?

 

What teams did we play? Home or Away?

 

Did you see him against league one opposition puffing and panting away?

 

Not someone you want to invest a longer term contract in at this stage. No way.

 

I saw him get 12 goals against Premier League opposition, you f***ing halfwit.

 

Hear comes the personal abuse. Standard Wullie. You always go there with me. If I retaliated I would get banned for sure. You just can't carry a discussion any other way. Pathetic guy.

 

It's your own fault for talking utter rubbish, all the time.

[captainhaircut]

He's such a liability that we played eight games without him and didn't win one.

 

Where are all the teams falling over themselves to sign him then?

 

Who else was missing in those games?

 

What teams did we play? Home or Away?

 

Did you see him against league one opposition puffing and panting away?

 

Not someone you want to invest a longer term contract in at this stage. No way.

 

I saw him get 12 goals against Premier League opposition, you f***ing halfwit.

 

Hear comes the personal abuse. Standard Wullie. You always go there with me. If I retaliated I would get banned for sure. You just can't carry a discussion any other way. Pathetic guy.

 

It's your own fault for talking utter rubbish, all the time.

 

Is that written into the forum rules? People can be abused if another forum member believes they are talking rubbish?

[Wullie]

He's such a liability that we played eight games without him and didn't win one.

 

Where are all the teams falling over themselves to sign him then?

 

Who else was missing in those games?

 

What teams did we play? Home or Away?

 

Did you see him against league one opposition puffing and panting away?

 

Not someone you want to invest a longer term contract in at this stage. No way.

 

I saw him get 12 goals against Premier League opposition, you f***ing halfwit.

 

Hear comes the personal abuse. Standard Wullie. You always go there with me. If I retaliated I would get banned for sure. You just can't carry a discussion any other way. Pathetic guy.

 

It's your own fault for talking utter rubbish, all the time.

 

Is that written into the forum rules? People can be abused if another forum member believes they are talking rubbish?

 

What, "halfwit"? How precious is he like? I was being kind tbh.

[Sifu]

I've tried to mull on this before coming to knee jerk conclusions, but is anybody concerned about the coming season?

 

Of course it's likely that new signings will arrive but it also looks like Enrique and Barton are certainly off. The core of players that dragged the club off its knees is being pushed out and we'll be left with youngsters and foreign imports. Let's be honest, if next season turns sour, can we really rely on the likes of Ben Arfa, Cabaye and whichever other players we bring in, to dig in and get their hands dirty? Will they really care about the club in the like that Barton and Nolan very clearly do? We went down in 2009 through off field turmoil but also a lack of strong leadership amongst the players, too many didnt give a s*** and you can see history repeating itself quite easily. Which leaders will we be left with? Harper is the remaining senior pro, Steven Taylor not guaranteed a start and the rest are all pretty much quiet men or have a limited grasp of English.

 

It's too simple to think we've signed a better player in Cabaye, so we'll be fine. He very well might be. However, Nolan's contribution in the running of the club in the last two years has been colossal and I'm far from convinced that that's something that can be easily replaced.

 

 

There's no two ways about it, today is a very bad day for the club. Unfortunately, I fear it's just the start. The board did a great job 12 months ago of killing expectations for the coming season and today, they've done exactly the same.

 

 

You're supposed to build on a good core of players/of a team, not get it to take you to one goal, immediately dismantled it, replace them all and start again.

 

yeah....

[morpeth mag]

Think it's a big risk selling - but only because of his leadership and possibly his goals. If we are to play pass and move football then he is only a fringe player and his leadership value is eroded.

 

I also think (and I hate to disagree with Wullie) that both the club and the player know he has to be sold once there is no agreement on a contract extension. Whether the club should have entered discussions with two years on the contract if it didn't see him as central to their plans is another point. Once they made him an offer that was unacceptable to him then it is a parting of ways. I wish him well and can only hope we start spending again soon.

[JH]

He's such a liability that we played eight games without him and didn't win one.

 

Where are all the teams falling over themselves to sign him then?

 

Who else was missing in those games?

 

What teams did we play? Home or Away?

 

Did you see him against league one opposition puffing and panting away?

 

Not someone you want to invest a longer term contract in at this stage. No way.

 

I saw him get 12 goals against Premier League opposition, you f***ing halfwit.

 

Hear comes the personal abuse. Standard Wullie. You always go there with me. If I retaliated I would get banned for sure. You just can't carry a discussion any other way. Pathetic guy.

 

It's your own fault for talking utter rubbish, all the time.

 

Is that written into the forum rules? People can be abused if another forum member believes they are talking rubbish?

 

What, "halfwit"? How precious is he like? I was being kind tbh.

 

[captainhaircut]

He's such a liability that we played eight games without him and didn't win one.

 

Where are all the teams falling over themselves to sign him then?

 

Who else was missing in those games?

 

What teams did we play? Home or Away?

 

Did you see him against league one opposition puffing and panting away?

 

Not someone you want to invest a longer term contract in at this stage. No way.

 

I saw him get 12 goals against Premier League opposition, you f***ing halfwit.

 

Hear comes the personal abuse. Standard Wullie. You always go there with me. If I retaliated I would get banned for sure. You just can't carry a discussion any other way. Pathetic guy.

 

It's your own fault for talking utter rubbish, all the time.

 

Is that written into the forum rules? People can be abused if another forum member believes they are talking rubbish?

 

What, "halfwit"? How precious is he like? I was being kind tbh.

 

Slippery slope surely? Personal abuse is personal abuse. Cunt is an insulting word, fuckwit is an insulting word. Whats the difference between the two?

[Baggio]

We'll have to agree to disagree on that one. I think Nolan is a better centre midfielder than Barton by some distance.

 

I don't really have a comment on that debate. The issue I have is how we progress from where we are right now, and the key areas, imo, are strikers, a right winger and then it's Nolan's position in the team. I think we're good enough in all other areas to be real challengers for Europe season-in season-out. Football is about controlling the game. If you have the ball, the other team will always find it hard to score, regardless of how good your defence is. Sure, you may have some shit defenders who are prone to mistakes (ahem, Arsenal), but if you control the ball for most of the match, you're going to end up winning more often than not (this Arsenal exemplifies). Which means, then, that you need excellent midfielders with some mobile strikers who can exploit the weaknesses in opposition teams to controll the ball and dominate the match.

 

Take a look at Barca and their players. Their three midfielders aren't particularly fast nor do they particularly excel at goal-scoring, but they control the ball so well that their defence can push up so high and choke the opposition strikers out of the game. Their defence has good players, but it's the shape of the team and their style of football that enables them to control the game and thus concede very few goals. It's the midfield and the strikers that allows this to happen.

 

I look at our team and I see players who contribute in this intangible way. I see Jonas - in his good days - who is one of the best outlets in our team, who allows our defence to push up, who pushes the other teams back which allows us to control the game. I saw Carroll who was able to hold the ball up and intimidate defences, which allowed our midfielders more time on the ball. I think Tiote is a magnificent player - probably the most important player in our team right now - and he's a player who's good on the ball and contributes so much to the shape of the team. Then I look at Nolan and all I see is goals. That would actually be fine if he was a striker, but he's not. He's occupying one of the most crucial positions on the pitch, and goals alone just aren't enough. They're more than enough now, for us, for a newly promoted team and for a team which would be more than happy at finishing 10th, but they will not be enough if we want to challenge regularly for Europe. He just doesn't contribute enough. That doesn't mean that he's not contributing enough now, because he does, but if we are to aspire to more, then I think it's less likely that we do so if he's a starter in the team.

 

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