Alan Pardew

[Guest neesy111]

Give him some time and see how you're playing next season. If today is anything to go by, I'd sure as hell be miffed with some of Pardew's tactics. But give the man some time. He's been with you for not much more than a year.

 

In the meantime, you're a club currently in their 2nd season back after relegation. You're 6th. The football will no doubt be a concern but surely not enough of a concern at this point to warrant such heavy criticism of him?

 

Can only judge a manager after 2 seasons because I could make a list of countless managers that have been 1 season wonders.  George Burley got Ipswich to 5th ffs.

[Hughesy]

 

 

I've yet to see many well-argued, convincing arguments against Pardew apart from ones along the lines of 'we play hoofball', 'league position doesn't matter, it's the way we play that counts' and 'Pardew's so negative, he's costing us points'.  All of which can be rebutted.

 

Go on then, where's these posts where people say league position doesn't matter or it's the way we play that counts.

 

I am not sure I have the time or inclination to go through all the posts to find specific examples, but those are certainly sentiments that have been expressed by many.

[Mick]

 

 

I am not sure I have the time or inclination to go through all the posts to find specific examples, but those are certainly sentiments that have been expressed by many.

 

You should have just done what Jon did when he couldn't back up something he said and just said that it was me. 

[Jayson]

f***ing hell, what's gan on here? Take a step back, we are 6th ffs. Rome wasn't built in a day!

 

You're wasting your breath fella.

 

I know, people will look back on their posts on here with utter f***ing embarrassment! Jeez, there's some fuckwits gan about. I think some of his tactics and decisions are far from perfect, but come on. Realism needs to hit some of these fuckers clean on the nose.

 

3 good examples of what TRon was going on about earlier.

 

I've yet to see many well-argued, convincing arguments against Pardew apart from ones along the lines of 'we play hoofball', 'league position doesn't matter, it's the way we play that counts' and 'Pardew's so negative, he's costing us points'.  All of which can be rebutted.

 

Again, what football team have you watched for the last 2 months?  Cos I and many on here could provide convincing arguments.

 

Your last argument in regards to us "fluking" wins could be destroyed in about 2 seconds if someone took the time.

[Guest neesy111]

f***ing hell, what's gan on here? Take a step back, we are 6th ffs. Rome wasn't built in a day!

 

You're wasting your breath fella.

 

I know, people will look back on their posts on here with utter f***ing embarrassment! Jeez, there's some fuckwits gan about. I think some of his tactics and decisions are far from perfect, but come on. Realism needs to hit some of these fuckers clean on the nose.

 

3 good examples of what TRon was going on about earlier.

 

I've yet to see many well-argued, convincing arguments against Pardew apart from ones along the lines of 'we play hoofball', 'league position doesn't matter, it's the way we play that counts' and 'Pardew's so negative, he's costing us points'.  All of which can be rebutted.

 

Again, what football team have you watched for the last 2 months?  Cos I and many on here could provide convincing arguments.

 

Your last argument in regards to us "fluking" wins could be destroyed in about 2 seconds if someone took the time.

 

Go on then.....

[MyPalAl]

Why don't MyPal and thedude offer some constructive rebuttal instead of calling people fuckwits?

 

What has been so good about our play in the last two months that gives you the confidence we will finish 6th? Why should we not aim to better that given the turmoil at Chelsea and the fact we've just signed a 9 million pound centre forward?

 

It's called pissing into the wind.

 

[Jayson]

f***ing hell, what's gan on here? Take a step back, we are 6th ffs. Rome wasn't built in a day!

 

You're wasting your breath fella.

 

I know, people will look back on their posts on here with utter f***ing embarrassment! Jeez, there's some fuckwits gan about. I think some of his tactics and decisions are far from perfect, but come on. Realism needs to hit some of these fuckers clean on the nose.

 

3 good examples of what TRon was going on about earlier.

 

I've yet to see many well-argued, convincing arguments against Pardew apart from ones along the lines of 'we play hoofball', 'league position doesn't matter, it's the way we play that counts' and 'Pardew's so negative, he's costing us points'.  All of which can be rebutted.

 

Again, what football team have you watched for the last 2 months?  Cos I and many on here could provide convincing arguments.

 

Your last argument in regards to us "fluking" wins could be destroyed in about 2 seconds if someone took the time.

 

Go on then.....

 

Have a look at who got the goals and assists in those games & who was involved in putting them on the pitch when very few on here would have wanted them involved.

[Hughesy]

 

 

I am not sure I have the time or inclination to go through all the posts to find specific examples, but those are certainly sentiments that have been expressed by many.

 

You should have just done what Jon did when he couldn't back up something he said and just said that it was me. 

 

Sorry - it was you..!

 

To be honest, I am more than happy to have a reasoned discussion on Pardew's strengths and weaknesses, as I recognise that he has both.  But I do feel many of the good things Pardew has done are overlooked, regarded as being unattributable to him or expected.

 

In addition, I think it is too simplistic to overlook the position we are actually in.  We are in 6th and could well finish there.  For people to disregard this or claim it is a weak argument just doesn't wash with me.  But I do agree that league position is not the only indicator to be reviewed (although I find it incredibly hard to not regard it as the most important indicator of success).

[The Prophet]

If Hughton took us as far as he could, then f*** me Pardew did a while ago with his shrewd transfer dealings [if indeed he even had much to do with them]. What else has he got left to offer? Serious question. What are his strengths as a manager?

 

As a fan who found the Hughton dismissal incredibly harsh, to do the same with Pardew would be somewhat perplexing. Pardew is limited as a manager I think we're all aware of that but he has brought a lot of strengths to the table and it's a key contributing factor in our impressive league position. Along with maticulous pre-match preperation Pardew normally has us performing as a unit who are not only well organised but are also difficult to turn over. He has players who would look more at home in the tier below supplemeting a decent core of quality while managing to maintian the excellent team spirit established within the Hughton era. To deny him any credit at would be absolutely staggering in my view. 

 

Tactically incapable and an idiot, quite frankly. 1,208 pages attesting to the fact that 95% of the board know HBA should be a starter, or bedded in and a system established around him (and other key players) for the long-term benefit of the team.  Does he deserve credit for bringing HBA on at half-time? Does he f***. Not after surrendering first-half to long-ball tactics. Deserves as much credit as McClaren for throwing on more strikers in the Eufa Cup when he was a couple of goals down the other year. When your plans fail so comprehensively and you're forced to change something, that isn't inspired/brave... it's desperate and a forced last resort.

 

Pardew, like many managers is a creature of habit. He rigidly sticks to 4-4-2, he prefers his hard working wingers and he likes to keep a consistent back four. This doesn't make him a tactical idiot, in fact he's proved to be anything but. Take Stoke for example where prior research revealed the opposition to have little threat at full back nor in the middle, this allowed us to double up on the wingers and nullify their main threat. This isn't to say he has his limitations, as was brutally exposed by Martin Jol at the Cottage, this is one the reasons I believe he is an average manager. To go along with that I wholeheartedly agree on the Ben Arfa point, his absence has been a major negative during the Pardew reign to date.

 

Pig-sick of this fraud - strip Gupter of his award and give it to Pardew. He's a glorified PR man. Doesn't look like he has a foggiest about football - just prozone.

 

This 'fraud' has us sitting sixth in the league, two points behind Chelsea in fifth and while I agree we haven't always played our best stuff this season we're still having an excellent campaign to date. Do you feel a glorified PR man would have us achieving the same? Or are you being a little harsh?

[Mick]

 

 

Sorry - it was you..!

 

To be honest, I am more than happy to have a reasoned discussion on Pardew's strengths and weaknesses, as I recognise that he has both.  But I do feel many of the good things Pardew has done are overlooked, regarded as being unattributable to him or expected.

 

In addition, I think it is too simplistic to overlook the position we are actually in.  We are in 6th and could well finish there.  For people to disregard this or claim it is a weak argument just doesn't wash with me.  But I do agree that league position is not the only indicator to be reviewed (although I find it incredibly hard to not regard it as the most important indicator of success).

 

I don't think anybody does disregard our league position, I just think some people see past it while still recognising it as being the most important measurement of where we are.

[Hughesy]

 

 

Sorry - it was you..!

 

To be honest, I am more than happy to have a reasoned discussion on Pardew's strengths and weaknesses, as I recognise that he has both.  But I do feel many of the good things Pardew has done are overlooked, regarded as being unattributable to him or expected.

 

In addition, I think it is too simplistic to overlook the position we are actually in.  We are in 6th and could well finish there.  For people to disregard this or claim it is a weak argument just doesn't wash with me.  But I do agree that league position is not the only indicator to be reviewed (although I find it incredibly hard to not regard it as the most important indicator of success).

 

I don't think anybody does disregard our league position, I just think some people see past it while still recognising it as being the most important measurement of where we are.

 

Fair enough, however I don't think that everyone is recognising it as the most important measurement of where we are.  Or there wouldn't be some many people suggesting he is nothing more than average manager who is tactically and/or that we should look to upgrade our manager in the near future.  Please note I am paraphrasing general sentiments there from a wide range of people..

[gbandit]

Haven't read any pardew debate yet today but I think he set us up poorly in the first half,really poorly.we made all the wrong decisions and had no tempo.in the second the sessegnon sending off was more important than the subs.I really question our style of play but we were very disciplined and Sunderland had few chances.from now on Ben arfa has to start and santon should always be on too.giving a first team starting place to Ryan Taylor is very poor and not good enough.get your selections right pards and get the team working on actually moving it about instead of relying on wonder goals from Ba or Ben arfa to actually carve people up.we're better than that

[The Prophet]

f***ing hell, what's gan on here? Take a step back, we are 6th ffs. Rome wasn't built in a day!

 

You're wasting your breath fella.

 

I know, people will look back on their posts on here with utter f***ing embarrassment! Jeez, there's some fuckwits gan about. I think some of his tactics and decisions are far from perfect, but come on. Realism needs to hit some of these fuckers clean on the nose.

 

So what football team have you been watching for the last 2 months?  We've been fluking results i.e. Blackburn, QPR and Villa.

 

Can you please explain how those games were flukes.

[Guest neesy111]

 

 

Sorry - it was you..!

 

To be honest, I am more than happy to have a reasoned discussion on Pardew's strengths and weaknesses, as I recognise that he has both.  But I do feel many of the good things Pardew has done are overlooked, regarded as being unattributable to him or expected.

 

In addition, I think it is too simplistic to overlook the position we are actually in.  We are in 6th and could well finish there.  For people to disregard this or claim it is a weak argument just doesn't wash with me.  But I do agree that league position is not the only indicator to be reviewed (although I find it incredibly hard to not regard it as the most important indicator of success).

 

I don't think anybody does disregard our league position, I just think some people see past it while still recognising it as being the most important measurement of where we are.

 

Fair enough, however I don't think that everyone is recognising it as the most important measurement of where we are.  Or there wouldn't be some many people suggesting he is nothing more than average manager who is tactically and/or that we should look to upgrade our manager in the near future.  Please note I am paraphrasing general sentiments there from a wide range of people..

 

Not many people are calling for Pardew to be sacked, but people are rightly questioning his tactics and team selections.  Also people are questioning the same stuff which West Ham and Southampton fans had about him so there is a pattern emerging here.

 

For the record, we won't get a better manager while the fat bastard still owns this club or he offers a ridiculous wage to a manager but I'm having big doubts about his man-management and his hoofball tactics.

[gbandit]

In response to Hughesy,league position tells you how you've done this season,performances tell you what to expect for the rest of the season and we've been poor for too long now.this standard of play will not get us to a uefa cup place even though we should be ahead of both Liverpool and Chelsea considering how poor their teams are at the moment.I know that sounds silly considering where we were two years ago but I'd take our first eleven over liverpool's nobheads and chelsea's pensioners

[HawK]

At the end of the day, if you were to compare our players, man to man, with the best of the PL, we should and would be up there. The only reason we're not is due to the manager. One thing's for sure as far as I'm concerned, if Bobby were here, Hatem would have played the full 90 minutes of every single game he's been fit and available for. He's meeting Ashley's criteria, so he's safe for now. But there's no reason to accept where we are, we should be aiming for better with what we have. Whether there is a manager available to do this right now, is another question entirely. It doesn't mean I don't have the right to pass opinion on the fact that Pardew is clearly out of his depth at this level.

[Hughesy]

 

 

Sorry - it was you..!

 

To be honest, I am more than happy to have a reasoned discussion on Pardew's strengths and weaknesses, as I recognise that he has both.  But I do feel many of the good things Pardew has done are overlooked, regarded as being unattributable to him or expected.

 

In addition, I think it is too simplistic to overlook the position we are actually in.  We are in 6th and could well finish there.  For people to disregard this or claim it is a weak argument just doesn't wash with me.  But I do agree that league position is not the only indicator to be reviewed (although I find it incredibly hard to not regard it as the most important indicator of success).

 

I don't think anybody does disregard our league position, I just think some people see past it while still recognising it as being the most important measurement of where we are.

 

Fair enough, however I don't think that everyone is recognising it as the most important measurement of where we are.  Or there wouldn't be some many people suggesting he is nothing more than average manager who is tactically and/or that we should look to upgrade our manager in the near future.  Please note I am paraphrasing general sentiments there from a wide range of people..

 

Not many people are calling for Pardew to be sacked, but people are rightly questioning his tactics and team selections.  Also people are questioning the same stuff which West Ham and Southampton fans had about him so there is a pattern emerging here.

 

For the record, we won't get a better manager while the fat b****** still owns this club or he offers a ridiculous wage to a manager but I'm having big doubts about his man-management and his hoofball tactics.

 

I think he makes mistakes in his tactics and team selection - but then to a certain degree, all managers do.  I do however think he gets more right than he gets wrong.

 

In addition, I wouldn't argue with that many of his decisions.  Not picking Ben Arfa more regularly is one where I think he has got it wrong (although I can see why he has made the decisions he has on occasions). 

 

Resorting to a direct style of play in the last 2 months has been a mistake, but we weren't playing like that earlier in the season.  I genuinely don't think it is a tactic per se, but more a result of the deficiencies in our personnel (Simpson, Williamson etc), the arrival of the Africa Nations Cup and injuries and suspensions suffered (most importantly Cabaye and Saylor).

 

However, he has got a lot right.

[mofo]

Football is all about opinions.  Some people will never be happy,  some people will always

want more.

 

My opinion is he has done a great job this season, dropped a few bollocks along the way, but

Which manager doesn't make mistakes..

 

If we can get a better manager in then great. Until that time he'll do for me!!

[Mick]

 

 

Fair enough, however I don't think that everyone is recognising it as the most important measurement of where we are.  Or there wouldn't be some many people suggesting he is nothing more than average manager who is tactically and/or that we should look to upgrade our manager in the near future.  Please note I am paraphrasing general sentiments there from a wide range of people..

 

You're definitely quoting me regarding him being an average manager and I base that on his managerial career as well as his time here.

 

His managerial career is based around getting West Ham promoted, losing an FA Cup final and winning the Johnson Paint Trophy during a season which was supposed to bring Southampton promotion.  Something Southampton did after sacking Pardew and something they might do again this season.

 

My problem with his here is that I think he talks shit and the football we play is generally poor and will result in good results turning to poor results, like our last 2 games have.  I could name more but I really can't be bothered.  We’ve got the basis of a very good team and I think that we are a better team than our standard of football and recent results.  At times we have international players reacting to the ball as if it was a bomb ready to go off and I don’t think for one minute that the players play this way out of either choice or necessity, I think they do it under instruction.

 

I’ll never get my head around how somebody who has been in football so long can fail to understand how much better Ben Arfa is than Ryan “Key midfielder” Taylor.  If Ryan Taylor is key to us then we’re in the shit.  I think it’s crazy that Pardew slags Ben Arfa off so much about his work rate to the press that some fans are using it is against the player.

 

[Jayson]

At the end of the day, if you were to compare our players, man to man, with the best of the PL, we should and would be up there. The only reason we're not is due to the manager. One thing's for sure as far as I'm concerned, if Bobby were here, Hatem would have played the full 90 minutes of every single game he's been fit and available for. He's meeting Ashley's criteria, so he's safe for now. But there's no reason to accept where we are, we should be aiming for better with what we have. Whether there is a manager available to do this right now, is another question entirely. It doesn't mean I don't have the right to pass opinion on the fact that Pardew is clearly out of his depth at this level.

 

No chance are Williamson, Santon & Simpson up there with the best atm & thats most of our defence. The main reason we've lost points recently has been due to conceding a lot, not lack of scoring chances.

 

You think Pardews at fault for that defence not getting us into the top 4 recently ?

[The Prophet]

At the end of the day, if you were to compare our players, man to man, with the best of the PL, we should and would be up there.

 

Would we? Have you seen our squad? Half a dozen or so good players supplemented by a lot of dross. With Taylor absent we're having to field a below-par Williamson, Perch and Guthrie have regularly stood in for first choice option, while until recently Leon Best was a nailed on starter. The squad really isn't that great, a fair amount of fans and pundits were expecting us to fade away as soon as the injuries and suspensions kicked in, they have and yet we're still punching our weight in the top six.

 

The only reason we're not is due to the manager. One thing's for sure as far as I'm concerned, if Bobby were here, Hatem would have played the full 90 minutes of every single game he's been fit and available for.

 

Why are you comparing Pardew to Robson? He doesn't even come close to comparing, it's a completely irrelevant point to make. No one is denying Pardew is a limited manager, but he happens to be doing a very good job. To claim manager X could be doing better is a daft point to make on so many different levels.

 

He's meeting Ashley's criteria, so he's safe for now. But there's no reason to accept where we are, we should be aiming for better with what we have.

 

You feel given our recent promotion and poor squad options sixth, two points from fifth is an unaccepatable position?

 

Whether there is a manager available to do this right now, is another question entirely. It doesn't mean I don't have the right to pass opinion on the fact that Pardew is clearly out of his depth at this level.

[Mick]

 

No chance are Williamson, Santon & Simpson up there with the best atm & thats most of our defence. The main reason we've lost points recently has been due to conceding a lot, not lack of scoring chances.

 

You think Pardews at fault for that defence not getting us into the top 4 recently ?

 

We showed in the 2nd half today that we can play football and 2 of the players you have mentioned were on the pitch at that time and the other should have been as he was one of our better players in the first shitty half.

[Parky]

Agreed, he should sit in a giant puffy Wenger jacket and watch the game like a depressed vulture

 

[Parky]

Some of the stuff we served up in the first half was as bad as anything we've seen under Big Sam, Souness, Roeder and it has to change because if it doesnt, we're going nowhere. I was alarmed at several things today, for example when Shola came on he went straight to Tiote. I don't know what was said but Tiote simply dropped deeper by about 20 yards after that conversation. Shola also had a few words with Cabaye who afterwards moved more towards the left where Jonas was operating. The result big massive holes in the centre of the pitch and Tiote sat deep on top of Colo when he should have been further forward. At that time sunderland were sat back on their own penalty box and had no-one up front. Simpson, Colo and Williamson were basically marking no-one, yet because we had nowt in the centre whenever they cleared their decks, their midfielders could often run out into our own midfield. If Tiote and Cabaye had of been in there they wouldn't have. More and more people on the stands are getting sick of the way we play and there was some very angry words directed at Pardew today like and rightly so.

 

Is there any reason you can think of he perseveres with his ridiculous gameplan? I mean he must be able to see its dire effects on the pitch...Isolated strikers, no creativity and so on...

[Guest BooBoo]

Loved that he got in O'Neill's face. Irish bug.