Mick Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 I don't think Cabaye has ever played all that well this season, even earlier in the season. He had a couple of very good one-off performances mixed in with fairly average or even anonymous games earlier on, but now the latter is all he has. He did enough in small bursts to suggest he has talent and can be a success if he adjust to the league, but his development has gone in the opposite direction. buy him as a sports car, use him as a tractor. Agreed. He was excellent against Villa, a 9/10 showing. Man Utd at home he played well in a good team performance, 8/10. Other than that, for me it's mainly 6/10. I just never watch us and think "wow Cabaye's having a stormer." I'm not picking on the lad, but I've always been loath to protect players by saying "but he's not been used correctly" or "the players around him aren't good enough". Once a player is on the pitch, if he's a good player it will shine through regardless and I'm tired of the easy to reach excuses to defend his anonymous displays. It's reminding me of Emre, loads used to say he had it, but he only ever showed it once in a blue moon. That's far too simplistic, managers can make a massive difference to players and can make good players look bad or bad players look good. Keegan has already been mentioned, he took over a team Allardyce was struggling with and he transformed them after a run of games where he got to know them and got them playing differently. Look at what Bobby did against Sheff Wed with players who had looked devoid of any clue as to how to play football. Managers have a massive role to play in how a team performs even though the players have a major say in it, I think ours is having a negative effect on our players which had been predicted by quite a few. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 It's not as if he has a history of this exact thing either... oh wait. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
quayside Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 Our midfield struggle because they rarely see the f***ing ball. Honestly some of the excuses and blindness in here is insane. There is only one person responsible for our midfield doing squat and thats the f***ing imbecile in the dugout who instructs his central midfielders to drop deep and his defence to launch it long. Individually all of our midfielders from Jonas Cabaye tiote and Ben Arfa are all capable of possession, attacking and having an influence. Only an idiot manager could get such a midfield looking s*** and Pardew is that man. So, in your world, we have a strong side that is in sixth place and should be doing far better. I am just thinking about the car crash Ashley bought (his fault but thank god he did) which was an unviable mess sitting in lower mid table. From reading stuff you have posted on other threads our owner is doing nothing other than the bare minimum than is expected. So who gets the credit for putting together this amazing squad that is underperforming in sixth place? Surely someone somewhere is doing a decent job? Who? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Chubby Jason Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 He has a history of starting well and then everything blowing up in his face. I remember him at West Ham bragging to the players about his Ferrari. Legend. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 If players get the best out of themselves, what's the point in having a manager? Ludicrous comment. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 Even the best players in the world can be made to look shit playing under managers who don't know what do with them or play them in tactics/positions that completely misuse them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spudil Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 Even the best players in the world can be made to look s*** playing under managers who don't know what do with them or play them in tactics/positions that completely misuse them. Yep. Now for a Pardew specific example; He played Tevez left wing in a 4-4-2 for about 13 games. He did not play well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayson Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 Cabayes been crap. The reasons for explaining that depend on your bias for or against Pardew and little reasoning beyond that. All these things can easily be argued both ways, just like the way the Arsenal game went. No one has any idea what actually went down in terms of our play, its all a load of bollocks. I find it laughable that some* people think they can argue against our current manager with such a sense of conviction in what they post The people with real and obvious bias are people like you with their heads stuck in the sand. You ignore legitimate criticisms and just pipe in with s**** waffle and no substance. Exactly. Hilarious crock of s*** that post. I was a staunch supporter of Pardew and I'm not at the point where I want him sacked, but f*** me, some people need to start opening their eyes. Legitimate criticisms based on very little but your imaginations & what you think is happening, all of which can and has been argued with. Ive spent quite a while in the past posting a lot of arguments, 20 pages later its all forgotten and you lot start posting the same crap that was argued with earlier in the thread. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 Look at the difference between players when they move clubs or go on international duty. Actually I can't even believe we're having a conversation on a Newcastle United forum regarding whether managers make any difference to how the team performs, fuck me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tachikoma Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 Look at the difference between players when they move clubs or go on international duty. Actually I can't even believe we're having a conversation on a Newcastle United forum regarding whether managers make any difference to how the team performs, fuck me. I'm sure someone will chime in and say "we're talking about individuals" but eh, lol. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 Next week: who was better, Shearer or Brian Pinas? We answer the big questions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayson Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 Cabayes been crap. The reasons for explaining that depend on your bias for or against Pardew and little reasoning beyond that. All these things can easily be argued both ways, just like the way the Arsenal game went. No one has any idea what actually went down in terms of our play, its all a load of bollocks. I find it laughable that some* people think they can argue against our current manager with such a sense of conviction in what they post Do you also find it laughable how you take the opposite stance and add a little? Its ok, dont often read his post, its too shallow tbh. :lol: Find another shallow post anytime recently, have fun. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 Legitimate criticisms based on very little but your imaginations & what you think is happening, all of which can and has been argued with. Ive spent quite a while in the past posting a lot of arguments, 20 pages later its all forgotten and you lot start posting the same crap that was argued with earlier in the thread. Sewelly has hardly had a go at Pardew, how it he "you lot"? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 Next week: who was better, Shearer or Brian Pinas? We answer the big questions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BlacknWhiteArmy Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 The system has almost certainly affected Cabaye (and others). I realise it often comes across as defending them because they're foreign and technical, but it is so true. He's playing an unfamiliar role in a team playing direct football to strikers incapable of playing to the direct system. He's just left buzzing around deep and waiting to anticipate balls. Obviously doesn't help with our lack of defensive technique and confidence to play it out, though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spudil Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 The system has almost certainly affected Cabaye (and others). I realise it often comes across as defending them because they're foreign and technical, but it is so true. He's playing an unfamiliar role in a team playing direct football to strikers incapable of playing to the direct system. He's just left buzzing around deep and waiting to anticipate balls. Obviously doesn't help with our lack of defensive technique and confidence to play it out, though. What are you talking about man? That is just based on what you think. Jayson has probably explained how this has nothing to do with our manager 20 pages ago. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BlacknWhiteArmy Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 Must win on Sat. Huge, huge test for Pards to get it right. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 Even the best players in the world can be made to look s*** playing under managers who don't know what do with them or play them in tactics/positions that completely misuse them. Aye, see Inter since Mourinho left. Confidence shouldn't be underestimated either, Cabaye's lost a bit in my opinion, snatching at passes far too much at the minute. As for what kind of midfielder he is, a deep lying playmaker is certainly something he isn't. He's a 'Scholes', an attack minded central midfielder with an engine but has rarely, if ever, been used as one this year. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 I don't think Cabaye has ever played all that well this season, even earlier in the season. He had a couple of very good one-off performances mixed in with fairly average or even anonymous games earlier on, but now the latter is all he has. He did enough in small bursts to suggest he has talent and can be a success if he adjust to the league, but his development has gone in the opposite direction. buy him as a sports car, use him as a tractor. I'm with you on this one Johnny, I must admit I couldn't really understand the wankfest over him when I watched him earlier this season, even when we were winning, but there's some things in his game which make you realise he'd be a very effective player in the right set up. He does have a lot of vision, he can hit a good pass and he gets stuck in. What he doesn't have is much pace or legs to get up and down the pitch quickly. He'd be great in a technically accomplished defensive team set up to counter quickly in a 4-5-1 team I reckon. He's not a bad player but there's no way he can look good when we are whacking the ball long to Ba as our primary tactic to get the ball forward. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayson Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 The system has almost certainly affected Cabaye (and others). I realise it often comes across as defending them because they're foreign and technical, but it is so true. He's playing an unfamiliar role in a team playing direct football to strikers incapable of playing to the direct system. He's just left buzzing around deep and waiting to anticipate balls. Obviously doesn't help with our lack of defensive technique and confidence to play it out, though. What are you talking about man? That is just based on what you think. Jayson has probably explained how this has nothing to do with our manager 20 pages ago. Lets try to comprehend what the word conviction means and how that could differ from person to person. I am probably more pro Pardew than many still, i am open to his flaws though. Some of you are completely blind to any strengths he holds atall, it becomes tedious. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spudil Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 I don't think Cabaye has ever played all that well this season, even earlier in the season. He had a couple of very good one-off performances mixed in with fairly average or even anonymous games earlier on, but now the latter is all he has. He did enough in small bursts to suggest he has talent and can be a success if he adjust to the league, but his development has gone in the opposite direction. buy him as a sports car, use him as a tractor. I'm with you on this one Johnny, I must admit I couldn't really understand the wankfest over him when I watched him earlier this season, even when we were winning, but there's some things in his game which make you realise he'd be a very effective player in the right set up. He does have a lot of vision, he can hit a good pass and he gets stuck in. He's not a bad player but there's no way he can look good when we are whacking the ball long to Ba as our primary tactic to get the ball forward. I agree with all of that Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sicko2ndbest Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 Pardews tactics were spot on yesterday. One bad decision in the last minute has cost the team. Pardew can do fuck all about that Cabaye is a decent player no more no less. He is not the world beater he was made out to be. Everyone was caught up in the furore of our start and attributed a lot of it to him and Ba as the new players, when in fact it was whole team improvement Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 Lets try to comprehend what the word conviction means and how that could differ from person to person. I am probably more pro Pardew than many still, i am open to his flaws though. Some of you are completely blind to any strengths he holds atall, it becomes tedious. List his strenghts. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 "World beater" Has anyone ever actually said that about any player in history? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 I don't understand what the point of coming on the forum is if all you're going to do is "we're 6th, stop moaning" or that "player A is simply playing crap, no other explanation". The whole point of the football section is for discussion, analysis, criticisms, praise... and people making criticisms based on what they're watching with their own eyes are always going to be relevant. Actually I can sort of understand why people do bury their heads in the sand considering where we are relative to the last 5 years, but it's still daft. I've argued quite passionately in favour of the job Pardew is doing for large spells of the season, even while having criticisms for certain things that he's done. At the moment though, I'm beginning to get completely exasperated with him doing the same things and making the same mistakes. It's worrying and depressing at the same time, even if we do hold the fort and stumble into the Europa League this season I'm struggling to feel positive of what impact we can make in that competition while we're playing this football and I'm struggling to get excited about what new players we'll have when he's misusing all our best ones anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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