Guest BooBoo Posted March 21, 2011 Share Posted March 21, 2011 Be interesting to see this threads reaction if we beat Wolves. Will any credit not be forthcoming on the grounds that Wolves are a bottom of the league side? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colocho Posted March 21, 2011 Share Posted March 21, 2011 Be interesting to see this threads reaction if we beat Wolves. Will any credit not be forthcoming on the grounds that Wolves are a bottom of the league side? Well it least Pardew would have beaten all four of the bottom four sides! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
80 Posted March 21, 2011 Share Posted March 21, 2011 Be interesting to see this threads reaction if we beat Wolves. Will any credit not be forthcoming on the grounds that Wolves are a bottom of the league side? Pardew has been given a lot of credit for our results under him, of course. Arguably too much, but that's another story... Don't want to see history re-written and turned into how everyone refused to recognise any of his achievements. Some people will presumably be happier about beating Wolves than Arsenal, in fact... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted March 21, 2011 Share Posted March 21, 2011 I'll admit it, I've been waiting for him to show himself to be shit. Not so I can revel in it, but because I don't rate him at all, on any level, and have expected it. It's as simple as that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beren Posted March 21, 2011 Share Posted March 21, 2011 My timeline: Upset Hughton was dismissed. Upset Pardew was appointed. Expected Pardew to fail. Upset Pardew is beginning to fail. (It's early doors, especially given he has a five and a half year deal but the signs are not promising thus far). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor Swift Posted March 21, 2011 Share Posted March 21, 2011 I'll admit it, I've been waiting for him to show himself to be shit. Not so I can revel in it, but because I don't rate him at all, on any level, and have expected it. It's as simple as that. Yep. I'm with you here. I think he's shit. His previous experience supports this view. I don't like what he says, and I think he's just reaping the benefit of Hughton's work. We'll only really know how shit he is in a year or two when he's had a chance to change our style of play. This is still Hughton's team, and it's still a decent team - a great one, actually, because we're a newly promoted team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colocho Posted March 21, 2011 Share Posted March 21, 2011 His track record as a Premiership manager is pretty shite, regardless of how much 'experience' he has. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted March 21, 2011 Share Posted March 21, 2011 Surely injuries are the main cause of our recent poor form? Our squad is tiny and our reserve players are shite. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted March 21, 2011 Share Posted March 21, 2011 Unless we go down, which I don't think we will, I don't think he can be fully judged until xmas next year when he has had a year to work with the squad and two transfer windows in which to work in to make the changes he feels necessary. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted March 21, 2011 Share Posted March 21, 2011 Surely injuries are the main cause of our recent poor form? Our squad is tiny and our reserve players are shite. Aside from Best who else from the first team would've started against Stoke bearing in mind he knew Ben Arfa and Ireland were crocked when he bought them? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted March 21, 2011 Share Posted March 21, 2011 Unless we go down, which I don't think we will, I don't think he can be fully judged until xmas next year when he has had a year to work with the squad and two transfer windows in which to work in to make the changes he feels necessary. Agree with that - not that it's wrong to express opinions along the way - but then I felt the same with Hughton too. The club obviously disagreed, at this level at least. I wonder if they'll give him the time they were unwilling to give previously? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted March 21, 2011 Share Posted March 21, 2011 Surely injuries are the main cause of our recent poor form? Our squad is tiny and our reserve players are shite. Aside from Best who else from the first team would've started against Stoke bearing in mind he knew Ben Arfa and Ireland were crocked when he bought them? Basically without Barton, Jonas and Best (and Routledge, who Pards should never have loaned out) we're devoid of any attacking threat. Combine that with Jose going off and Ben Arfa being out for the season (which is due to his broken leg so wasn't known when he arrived) we're fucked. I honestly don't think the manager matters that much when the players on the pitch are as poor as we have now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted March 21, 2011 Share Posted March 21, 2011 Unless we go down, which I don't think we will, I don't think he can be fully judged until xmas next year when he has had a year to work with the squad and two transfer windows in which to work in to make the changes he feels necessary. Agree with that - not that it's wrong to express opinions along the way - but then I felt the same with Hughton too. The club obviously disagreed, at this level at least. I wonder if they'll give him the time they were unwilling to give previously? Of course, goes without saying. For stabilitys sake, other than anything else I'd like to hope so. If we did get rid, I don't think we will even if we go down, it would be very interesting to see who'd want to come to Newcastle for all our attraction on the football side of things I can't imagine many top managers would be overly keen to work with the current board. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted March 22, 2011 Share Posted March 22, 2011 Surely injuries are the main cause of our recent poor form? Our squad is tiny and our reserve players are shite. Aside from Best who else from the first team would've started against Stoke bearing in mind he knew Ben Arfa and Ireland were crocked when he bought them? Basically without Barton, Jonas and Best (and Routledge, who Pards should never have loaned out) we're devoid of any attacking threat. Combine that with Jose going off and Ben Arfa being out for the season (which is due to his broken leg so wasn't known when he arrived) we're fucked. I honestly don't think the manager matters that much when the players on the pitch are as poor as we have now. it was known he had a broken leg when we signed him permanently, pardew was the manager then, be consistent. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted March 22, 2011 Share Posted March 22, 2011 Surely injuries are the main cause of our recent poor form? Our squad is tiny and our reserve players are shite. Aside from Best who else from the first team would've started against Stoke bearing in mind he knew Ben Arfa and Ireland were crocked when he bought them? Basically without Barton, Jonas and Best (and Routledge, who Pards should never have loaned out) we're devoid of any attacking threat. Combine that with Jose going off and Ben Arfa being out for the season (which is due to his broken leg so wasn't known when he arrived) we're fucked. I honestly don't think the manager matters that much when the players on the pitch are as poor as we have now. it was known he had a broken leg when we signed him permanently, pardew was the manager then, be consistent. Well fair enough, technically, but the fact remains that we thought he would be available and he isn't. Letting a player like that go when we had a chance to sign him for such a reasonable fee would have been a much worse mistake by Pardew. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punk77 Posted March 22, 2011 Share Posted March 22, 2011 Surely injuries are the main cause of our recent poor form? Our squad is tiny and our reserve players are s****. Aside from Best who else from the first team would've started against Stoke bearing in mind he knew Ben Arfa and Ireland were crocked when he bought them? Basically without Barton, Jonas and Best (and Routledge, who Pards should never have loaned out) we're devoid of any attacking threat. Combine that with Jose going off and Ben Arfa being out for the season (which is due to his broken leg so wasn't known when he arrived) we're f***ed. I honestly don't think the manager matters that much when the players on the pitch are as poor as we have now. This! He's been riddled with injuries. Each time he's completed the battle plan for the next match, he's forced to make last minute changes due to a fresh injury. As long as we're staying up, I'm satisfied. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colocho Posted March 22, 2011 Share Posted March 22, 2011 "Insanely plagued." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punk77 Posted March 22, 2011 Share Posted March 22, 2011 "Insanely plagued." A tad tautological I might say... I stand corrected. Post modified..Happy? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colocho Posted March 22, 2011 Share Posted March 22, 2011 I still don't agree that we've been "plagued" with injuries since Pardew took over. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punk77 Posted March 22, 2011 Share Posted March 22, 2011 I still don't agree that we've been "plagued" with injuries since Pardew took over. Suggestions then? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted March 22, 2011 Share Posted March 22, 2011 Riddled? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colocho Posted March 22, 2011 Share Posted March 22, 2011 This club has been 'riddled' with injuries for as long as I can remember. This "bad luck with injuries" excuse is a load of shite. We need a complete clear-out of the medical and physio staff. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
durhamunigeordie Posted March 22, 2011 Share Posted March 22, 2011 The Routledge one is very interesting. I'm sure Wayne did a piece in one of the paper's a month or so ago saying that he didn't ask to leave and would be happy to come back and fight for his place. If that really is the case then Pardew must not have fancied him at all, yet I can't think of a game since he left that he would not have at least been useful as a sub towards the end. Given the way things have turned out he could well have started 1/2-2/3 of them. Think letting him go on loan was definitely the wrong call. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
womblemaster Posted March 22, 2011 Share Posted March 22, 2011 it wasnt wrong loaning routledge, NOT replacing him was the wrong call. only assumption i can make is ireland was the replacement. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punk77 Posted March 22, 2011 Share Posted March 22, 2011 This club has been 'riddled' with injuries for as long as I can remember. This "bad luck with injuries" excuse is a load of s****. We need a complete clear-out of the medical and physio staff. On that we agree. All those injuries are no coincidence. We also fail to advance in any tournament, which should reduce the the probability of fatigue and injuries accordingly. Still we're fucked. The debate on Carroll's alcohol consumption is imo a proof of our medical team not doing what they're supposed to do. Excessive drinking should not be allowed during season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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