Dave Posted March 28, 2011 Share Posted March 28, 2011 One of the most annoying things is that even if you say Pardew and Hughton are equal in terms of getting results, Pardew is undoubtedly more experienced in the transfer market (note: not necessarily better) and therefore flogging Carroll to give him a nice big transfer fund seems to make some sense. Then you realise that Carroll was probably sold above his head anyway, so the point is moot. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted March 28, 2011 Share Posted March 28, 2011 He's still got another two games to make two points (or five if you discount Liverpool) and match Hughton's record Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted March 28, 2011 Share Posted March 28, 2011 He's meant to be outdoing it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted March 28, 2011 Share Posted March 28, 2011 One of the most annoying things is that even if you say Pardew and Hughton are equal in terms of getting results, Pardew is undoubtedly more experienced in the transfer market (note: not necessarily better) and therefore flogging Carroll to give him a nice big transfer fund seems to make some sense. Then you realise that Carroll was probably sold above his head anyway, so the point is moot. Experience in the transfer market is probably moot due to us having a team of people who scout the players these days. At one time the manager would do most of that on his own. It seems that the manager just picks from a list of names which has been put together by others. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted March 28, 2011 Share Posted March 28, 2011 He's meant to be outdoing it. Beat Wolves and he will have - well worth the hassle of changing manager and selling Carroll for that extra point like Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted March 28, 2011 Share Posted March 28, 2011 He's still got another two games to make two points (or five if you discount Liverpool) and match Hughton's record In league and cup games his record is worse, that can change with every game but as Dave said, he's supposed to do better. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted March 28, 2011 Share Posted March 28, 2011 Beat Wolves and he will have - well worth the hassle of changing manager and selling Carroll for that extra point like Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted March 28, 2011 Share Posted March 28, 2011 He's still got another two games to make two points (or five if you discount Liverpool) and match Hughton's record In league and cup games his record is worse, that can change with every game but as Dave said, he's supposed to do better. Of course he is, I'm not disputing that. I said a week or so ago in this thread that we shouldn't have replaced Hughton with Pardew. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
80 Posted March 28, 2011 Share Posted March 28, 2011 Mick is slowly becoming the very entity that he battled so long to destroy. It's like something out of a Greek tragedy. Fixed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RupertCommunicator Posted March 28, 2011 Share Posted March 28, 2011 I'm getting a bit bored of this selling Carroll chat now like. We got £35 Million for the white Heskey. We can get the team we need for a genuine European push next season with that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest icemanblue Posted March 28, 2011 Share Posted March 28, 2011 I'm getting a bit bored of this selling Carroll chat now like. We got £35 Million for the white Heskey. We can get the team we need for a genuine European push next season with that. lol Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted March 28, 2011 Share Posted March 28, 2011 One of the most annoying things is that even if you say Pardew and Hughton are equal in terms of getting results, Pardew is undoubtedly more experienced in the transfer market (note: not necessarily better) and therefore flogging Carroll to give him a nice big transfer fund seems to make some sense. Then you realise that Carroll was probably sold above his head anyway, so the point is moot. He might still be allowed to spend the money though, so it might end up being an asset. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted March 28, 2011 Share Posted March 28, 2011 Of course he is, I'm not disputing that. I said a week or so ago in this thread that we shouldn't have replaced Hughton with Pardew. The main point is that he doesn't have 2 games left to make up two points as you can work out points per game. Adding cup games could be controversial but they are games played and part of our season. It could be argued that Hughton had easy games in the cup, so did Pardew. In all games Hughton has the better record of the two if you award points for draws and wins as you would in the league. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted March 28, 2011 Share Posted March 28, 2011 Is there actually any purpose in comparing Pardew's record with Hughton's at this point? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted March 28, 2011 Share Posted March 28, 2011 He might still be allowed to spend the money though, so it might end up being an asset. Souness had plenty of experience in the transfer market and was given a fortune to spend, spending didn't do him any good or make him any better as a manager. I haven't checked, I would think the early record of Souness with another managers players was better than after he'd spent money. Our main advantage now is that we seem to have a reasonably good scouting network who will have watched any player who comes in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted March 28, 2011 Share Posted March 28, 2011 Is there actually any purpose in comparing Pardew's record with Hughton's at this point? People compared it when Pardew had a better record so does it only work one way? Did you question the purpose then? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted March 28, 2011 Share Posted March 28, 2011 Is there actually any purpose in comparing Pardew's record with Hughton's at this point? People compared it when Pardew had a better record so does it only work one way? Did you question the purpose then? Can't remember really, I always thought it was pointless though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OzzieMandias Posted March 28, 2011 Share Posted March 28, 2011 Mick is slowly becoming the very entity that he battled so long to destroy. It's like something out of a Greek tragedy. Fixed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted March 28, 2011 Share Posted March 28, 2011 Can't remember really, I always thought it was pointless though. Fair enough. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted March 28, 2011 Share Posted March 28, 2011 Can't remember really, I always thought it was pointless though. Fair enough. Admittedly though, I think it's too soon to judge Pardew properly and I also think he might still do well, so I tend to pipe up in his defence more than in criticism. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted March 28, 2011 Share Posted March 28, 2011 Admittedly though, I think it's too soon to judge Pardew properly and I also think he might still do well, so I tend to pipe up in his defence more than in criticism. He's been here 3 months which has included a transfer window and he's had both league and cup games. When will you start to judge him and what has he to do which he hasn't been able to do yet? He hasn't had a summer with the players and I haven't seen anything yet to suggest that a pre-season under him will provide any benefit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colocho Posted March 28, 2011 Share Posted March 28, 2011 Can't remember really, I always thought it was pointless though. Fair enough. Admittedly though, I think it's too soon to judge Pardew properly and I also think he might still do well, so I tend to pipe up in his defence more than in criticism. He's been manager for more than 3 months now, of course we can judge him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted March 28, 2011 Share Posted March 28, 2011 Admittedly though, I think it's too soon to judge Pardew properly and I also think he might still do well, so I tend to pipe up in his defence more than in criticism. He's been here 3 months which has included a transfer window and he's had both league and cup games. When will you start to judge him and what has he to do which he hasn't been able to do yet? He hasn't had a summer with the players and I haven't seen anything yet to suggest that a pre-season under him will provide any benefit. I just think 3 months is too short a time to judge a manager either way, it's no time at all in football and the influence of luck is huge. He needs all of next season at least IMO. I don't expect anyone to agree with me BTW, especially after a run of poor results. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted March 28, 2011 Share Posted March 28, 2011 The main point is that he doesn't have 2 games left to make up two points as you can work out points per game. It's a tad unfair though. Hughton gets 16 (19) games, whilst Pardew gets 14 (15). Whilst the number of games is taken into account in the average, the fact is that Hughton has had more opportunity to get points on the board than Pardew has. Adding cup games could be controversial but they are games played and part of our season. It could be argued that Hughton had easy games in the cup, so did Pardew. In all games Hughton has the better record of the two if you award points for draws and wins as you would in the league. Hughton Pl: 19 W: 7 D: 4 L: 8 Points - 25 PPG: 0.76 Pardew Pl: 15 W: 4 D: 5 L: 6 Points - 21 PPG: 0.71 If that is still the case in four games time, then I'll hold my hands up. But for me, as things stand, there's nothing between them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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