Dinho lad Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 I'm worried about u's trying to play better football next year. Here me out! We cannot compete with the top sides on the deck and we seem to have lost a bit of steel to out fight the middle of the road clubs. It is no good trying to play good football against Stoke, blackburn etc they will score a goal out if brut force. I think 10-14th is realistic next year Last season we didn't have the flair or creativity to breakdown the likes of Stoke, nor the strength or aggression to compete. But, with Ben Arfa, Cabaye, Ba, and possibly Erdnic, we'll have a combination of both. Not saying it will be enough, but I certainly think we've got more going forward now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punk77 Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 I'm worried about u's trying to play better football next year. Here me out! We cannot compete with the top sides on the deck and we seem to have lost a bit of steel to out fight the middle of the road clubs. It is no good trying to play good football against Stoke, blackburn etc they will score a goal out if brut force. I think 10-14th is realistic next year Depends. I think Pards is into something.. SAF's mantra "pass and move" has been implemented by Solskjaer in Molde FK, and they're leading the Norwegian League as we speak. Some of the players have improved dramatically in their passing abilities. And because of constant movement, there's plenty of passing alternatives. That eases also the job for the weakest players since they're always have somebody to pass to,. All this leads to possession. As the game goes on, Molde usually takes more control of the game because the opponent gets tired of running between.. That could be one of the reasons why ManU so often manages to score a goal late in the game.. Such tactics may in particular work against the more physical teams like Blackburn as long as we're able to keep the ball on the ground. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilko Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 The 'graft and steel' approach got us some good results last year, but it also saw us get 4 points from 30 against Fulham, Blackburn, Blackpool, West Brom and Stoke. We need pace and quality in the side to turn this type of sides over, particularly at home - and Pardew seems to be trying to address that within the constraints placed upon him. You'd like to think that despite losing Nolan and Carroll, we can retain some of the grittiness we've demonstrated in fixtures against the top 6 teams and away from home, as well as adding pace and attacking impetus to the side. I see what Pardew's trying to do, but I'm not sure yet whether he'll manage it. We'll see. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor Swift Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 Keeping the ball is the best way not to lose a goal. If we can have more possession against teams like Stoke and Blackburn then they won't have as many opportunities to lump the ball up and cause us trouble. They'll also have to keep more men behind the ball, which means their long-ball tactics will not be as effective as it usually is, and of course the fact that they won't have a lot of men in our half means we're less likely to concede throw-ins and free-kicks in dangerous areas. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor Swift Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 The 'graft and steel' approach got us some good results last year, but it also saw us get 4 points from 30 against Fulham, Blackburn, Blackpool, West Brom and Stoke. We need pace and quality in the side to turn this type of sides over, particularly at home - and Pardew seems to be trying to address that within the constraints placed upon him. You'd like to think that despite losing Nolan and Carroll, we can retain some of the grittiness we've demonstrated in fixtures against the top 6 teams and away from home, as well as adding pace and attacking impetus to the side. I see what Pardew's trying to do, but I'm not sure yet whether he'll manage it. We'll see. I agree with this. In theory, what we're doing is very sensible. I'm sure every team would like to pass the ball on the deck because it's the surest way of dominating matches and being a good team, but it's obviously very hard to do, which is why many teams opt for the easier tactics of long-ball and counter-attacking. But we've bought some very good players - at least according to their reputations - who would seem to fit into a pass and move style of football, so there's some coherence and logic to what we're doing. I major doubt is whether Pardew has the management skills to implement this, but I'm sure that I've read that he's only taking care of the defence and leaving the attacking side to Carver, and based on Carver's history with SBR, I'm pretty confident that we'll be a better team next year. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor Swift Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 For what it's worth, if we sign Erdinc and no one else, I see us finishing in the top 10. If we can sign another midfielder/winger and keep everyone, I see us easily challenging for the top 8, flirting with the top 6 and giving teams like Liverpool and Spurs a scare. I reckon that we're very likely to be a better team than we were last year; based on criteria like our points total, our finishing position, our goals difference. I think we'll be better in cup competitions as well. [tin hat][summer optimism] Come next summer, the criticism of Ashley and Llambias will be quite muted because there'll be no doubt that we're in a far better position than when they took over and with players like Smith no longer on the books, we'll have far more room in our wage budget to sign next year's version of players like Sturridge. [/tin hat][/summer optimism] Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilko Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 One of the most sensible things he could do is lean on Carver. It's often glib to say that every club needs someone who "understands the area, and the history, and the culture" or whatever, but Carver's been there and done it with SBR, one of our most successful modern-day managers. Pardew would be a fool not to draw on that experience. I wonder if the comparisons made by some that Erding is a bit like Bellamy might be why we're so keen on getting him? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TheSummerOf69 Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 The most worrying thing about the game yesterday was how many times we tried to play triangles and gave the ball away. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor Swift Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 Those triangles will be played much better when it's Marveaux, Ben Arfa and Cabaye playing them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 Those triangles will be played much better when it's Marveaux, Ben Arfa and Cabaye playing them. and when we're playing on something resembling a proper pitch. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilko Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 Those triangles will be played much better when it's Marveaux, Ben Arfa and Cabaye playing them. Yep. It'll be Dairylea triangles for us next season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jukeboxromeo Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 For what it's worth, if we sign Erdinc and no one else, I see us finishing in the top 10. If we can sign another midfielder/winger and keep everyone, I see us easily challenging for the top 8, flirting with the top 6 and giving teams like Liverpool and Spurs a scare. I reckon that we're very likely to be a better team than we were last year; based on criteria like our points total, our finishing position, our goals difference. I think we'll be better in cup competitions as well. [tin hat][summer optimism] Come next summer, the criticism of Ashley and Llambias will be quite muted because there'll be no doubt that we're in a far better position than when they took over and with players like Smith no longer on the books, we'll have far more room in our wage budget to sign next year's version of players like Sturridge. [/tin hat][/summer optimism] You need improvements in defence and strikeforce, not only in quality but also in numbers, before you're getting anywhere near the top 6. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 For what it's worth, if we sign Erdinc and no one else, I see us finishing in the top 10. If we can sign another midfielder/winger and keep everyone, I see us easily challenging for the top 8, flirting with the top 6 and giving teams like Liverpool and Spurs a scare. I reckon that we're very likely to be a better team than we were last year; based on criteria like our points total, our finishing position, our goals difference. I think we'll be better in cup competitions as well. [tin hat][summer optimism] Come next summer, the criticism of Ashley and Llambias will be quite muted because there'll be no doubt that we're in a far better position than when they took over and with players like Smith no longer on the books, we'll have far more room in our wage budget to sign next year's version of players like Sturridge. [/tin hat][/summer optimism] You need improvements in defence and strikeforce, not only in quality but also in numbers, before you're getting anywhere near the top 6. I feel unwell hearing the opinion of a Bolton fan. I know it's wrong and i know i'm generalising but i just don't care what you think. P.S No chance of sixth next year. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jukeboxromeo Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 I'll take that with a touch of salt, considering I've seen Ben Arfa being compared with Maradona and people claiming Barton is better than the Man Utd midfield on here recently. Just an outsider's view. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor Swift Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 I agree that we need more numbers in defence, but the quality of the starting players is fine for now. It's as good as Liverpool's and a touch behind Spurs', and those are the two teams who I think we should be looking to catch in the next couple of years. Colo and Enrique would start for both those teams, but obviously Taylor wouldn't get near either of them. In general, when a defence isn't under constant pressure, it's fine. Taylor's the only one who's liable to mental lapses, so Williamson might regain the starting position during the season because he's more composed. But the key is obviously to make sure the defence isn't under pressure, which is the duty of the midfielders to not lose the ball in dangerous positions and to be able to keep the ball for long periods, which would force teams to drop more men back to defend, leaving one or two players available for the counter, and thus meaning less pressure for our defence. It's all about the midfield, and our midfield is shaping up to be an excellent one, imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 The 'graft and steel' approach got us some good results last year, but it also saw us get 4 points from 30 against Fulham, Blackburn, Blackpool, West Brom and Stoke. We need pace and quality in the side to turn this type of sides over, particularly at home - and Pardew seems to be trying to address that within the constraints placed upon him. You'd like to think that despite losing Nolan and Carroll, we can retain some of the grittiness we've demonstrated in fixtures against the top 6 teams and away from home, as well as adding pace and attacking impetus to the side. I see what Pardew's trying to do, but I'm not sure yet whether he'll manage it. We'll see. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 I'll take that with a touch of salt, considering I've seen Ben Arfa being compared with Maradona and people claiming Barton is better than the Man Utd midfield on here recently. Just an outsider's view. Person, not people. On both cases. I'm sure I could find someone on a Bolton forum saying Kevin Davies is better than Rooney Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 I'll take that with a touch of salt, considering I've seen Ben Arfa being compared with Maradona and people claiming Barton is better than the Man Utd midfield on here recently. Just an outsider's view. Not particularly related to the above post but you claimed Tyrone Mears will be a decent squad player. You also mentioned us needing to improve our defence, both in terms of quality and numbers; if Cahill goes, Mears being back-up to David Wheater and Zat Knight is hardly anything to write home about. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sicko2ndbest Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 He is going to field some questions about jose's comments. Not expecting him to go against the hierachy but it increases the pressure Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 He will just say how players need to be a bit more sensible in these public forums and the matter is being dealt with internally. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minhosa Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 He is going to field some questions about jose's comments. Not expecting him to go against the hierachy but it increases the pressure Looking forward to seeing the PR Machine in full flow on this one. Billy Liar will be coming up with his bullshit now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minhosa Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 He will just say how players need to be a bit more sensible in these public forums and the matter is being dealt with internally. He'll be pressed on the liar point if any of the press pack have got the bollocks to have a go at him. Obviously that will exclude the local press who've all been NUFC-castrated in order to keep their pointless jobs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sicko2ndbest Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 Oh and I reckon he will ban twitter Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minhosa Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 Oh and I reckon he will ban twitter Yep - remove the comms, remove the problem. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 Oh and I reckon he will ban twitter and shag Jose's missus. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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