Interpolic Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 I don't think anyone defines stability as being tactically inflexible. What does stability bring? I ask the question because I don't think it matters as much when a club has a scouting system which identifies the transfers. I agree stability doesn't mean being tactically inflexible but the tactics we've seen this season haven't been anything out of the ordinary anyway and we've had as many tactics that have back-fired as those that have worked well. The tactics worked well against Stoke, they failed against Brighton. I can't to this day work out what our tactics were against Norwich and I doubt many people can either yet they worked against Man U. Tactics versus Man Utd were hoof the ball up but play it on the deck when in their half imo. Ironically the tactics Allardyce always claims to play. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 I don't think anyone defines stability as being tactically inflexible. What does stability bring? I ask the question because I don't think it matters as much when a club has a scouting system which identifies the transfers. I agree stability doesn't mean being tactically inflexible but the tactics we've seen this season haven't been anything out of the ordinary anyway and we've had as many tactics that have back-fired as those that have worked well. The tactics worked well against Stoke, they failed against Brighton. I can't to this day work out what our tactics were against Norwich and I doubt many people can either yet they worked against Man U. Tactics versus Man Utd were hoof the ball up but play it on the deck when in their half imo. Ironically the tactics Allardyce always claims to play. The hoofing against Man U made a bit of sense with the strong wind firmly in our favour. I don't like it generally though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 I don't think anyone defines stability as being tactically inflexible. What does stability bring? I ask the question because I don't think it matters as much when a club has a scouting system which identifies the transfers. I agree stability doesn't mean being tactically inflexible but the tactics we've seen this season haven't been anything out of the ordinary anyway and we've had as many tactics that have back-fired as those that have worked well. The tactics worked well against Stoke, they failed against Brighton. I can't to this day work out what our tactics were against Norwich and I doubt many people can either yet they worked against Man U. Tactics versus Man Utd were hoof the ball up but play it on the deck when in their half imo. Ironically the tactics Allardyce always claims to play. The hoofing against Man U made a bit of sense with the strong wind firmly in our favour. I don't like it generally though. When it works, it works. Obviously easier to accept against superior teams as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ToonZA Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 Firstly at HTT - Long posts I may or may not agree with the content of your post but at least I get to understand where you coming from and why. I am on the fence where Pardew is concerned. He has either orchestrated or played a part in many good things during his time here which as a fan I appreciate. For me, on the pitch - most notably tightening up the defence, getting the team to work harder for each other and pressing the opposition. Off the pitch he rarely says the wrong things and together with the type of characters brought into the team, we no longer find ourselves in the papers for all the wrong reasons. Many of the other good things have been mentioned by other posters in this thread and I agree with them without wishing to repeat them here again. I am however frustrated and concerned by the habitual selection errors, the tactical tinkering (very worrying), the handling of arguably our most talented player (HBA) and sometimes negative approach to certain games. I hope having our full strength XI available will alleviate some (hopefully all) of these concerns. The team should in reality select itself and the formation should be simple with the ultimate objective of ensuring that possession goes through our most creative players so that they can service our strike force. (Best on the left is like putting Mr Bean as the lead actor in Mission Impossible) So will wait till the end of the campaign and pass judgement then. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 It's good to see we can have this discussion without people throwing toys out of the pram. The manager, like every other person at the football club should be open for discussion and people will always have different opinions and so they should. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 Would be interested to hear your opinion Mick, do you think Pardew's the favourite for the England job if Redknapp's not in the running for one reason or another? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 i think many are in the same position re pardew in that we don't think he's using his resources as good as he should but has us in a position most of us wouldn't have thought our resources were capable of. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilko Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 Just catching up on this thread. HTT suggesting we replace Pardew this summer we can count the terrible results on one hand and we're at the start of February. What a tit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 i think many are in the same position re pardew in that we don't think he's using his resources as good as he should but has us in a position most of us wouldn't have thought our resources were capable of. And is that due to us showing resolve and picking up scrappy wins for the most part? Strangely enough I think I expected better performances and worse results. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 i think many are in the same position re pardew in that we don't think he's using his resources as good as he should but has us in a position most of us wouldn't have thought our resources were capable of. And is that due to us showing resolve and picking up scrappy wins for the most part? Strangely enough I think I expected better performances and worse results. good teams show resolve. apart from QPR away i don't think we've really got anything we didn't deserve (except maybe not picking up wins at villa and home to swansea) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 Would be interested to hear your opinion Mick, do you think Pardew's the favourite for the England job if Redknapp's not in the running for one reason or another? I honestly don't know what to make of Pardew and yes I think if the FA is to appoint an English manager then he must be in the top two or three. I wouldn’t be surprised if he ended up as England or Spurs manager if saggy face gets the England job. Like Madras has just said, I don't think we've got the best out of our players but being 6th in the league defies my gut feelings as I didn't expect that at the start of the season and still don't expect to finish that high. Having said that, we're capable of finishing where we are and even slightly higher if we have a bit of luck with injuries and players perform. Based on league position we’re doing very well, based on performances I don’t think that’s true so it’s too early to write him off or hail him as being something he’s not. He’s got me baffled, I just can’t work him out yet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 Feel much the same. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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madras Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 it may be necessary to put it into perspective with other teams performances, no one has been great, the supposed top teams have been attacked and maybe, just maybe, we've realised that they are beatable if you have a go. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Brendan_Rice Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 I don't think anyone defines stability as being tactically inflexible. What does stability bring? I ask the question because I don't think it matters as much when a club has a scouting system which identifies the transfers. I agree stability doesn't mean being tactically inflexible but the tactics we've seen this season haven't been anything out of the ordinary anyway and we've had as many tactics that have back-fired as those that have worked well. The tactics worked well against Stoke, they failed against Brighton. I can't to this day work out what our tactics were against Norwich and I doubt many people can either yet they worked against Man U. Do the scouts identify the transfers though? Would they not be sent out with a position to fill? Surely most other clubs scouting systems would be the same. I think stability is important but I take your point, there are a few tactical question marks over Pardew. Out of interest I looked up how he stacked up against previous managers: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Newcastle_United_F.C._managers His win% doesn't stack up too bad, Hughton's is obviously a lot higher because we were in the championship, what do you think? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Brendan_Rice Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 Just read this: http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story/_/id/1014641/real-madrid%27s-jose-mourinho-back-in-england-next-season---report?cc=5739 I wouldn't be complaining if the special one decided to join us. Bit of a long shot. Check out his win% http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jos%C3%A9_Mourinho Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 I don't think anyone defines stability as being tactically inflexible. What does stability bring? I ask the question because I don't think it matters as much when a club has a scouting system which identifies the transfers. I agree stability doesn't mean being tactically inflexible but the tactics we've seen this season haven't been anything out of the ordinary anyway and we've had as many tactics that have back-fired as those that have worked well. The tactics worked well against Stoke, they failed against Brighton. I can't to this day work out what our tactics were against Norwich and I doubt many people can either yet they worked against Man U. Do the scouts identify the transfers though? Would they not be sent out with a position to fill? Surely most other clubs scouting systems would be the same. I think stability is important but I take your point, there are a few tactical question marks over Pardew. Out of interest I looked up how he stacked up against previous managers: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Newcastle_United_F.C._managers His win% doesn't stack up too bad, Hughton's is obviously a lot higher because we were in the championship, what do you think? Been done over the last few pages mate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 Just read this: http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story/_/id/1014641/real-madrid%27s-jose-mourinho-back-in-england-next-season---report?cc=5739 I wouldn't be complaining if the special one decided to join us. Bit of a long shot. Check out his win% http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jos%C3%A9_Mourinho I honestly think him managing us would work well for both parties if he was backed financially. If he could lead us to a trophy then it would add massively to his prestige. Will never happen though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 Do the scouts identify the transfers though? Would they not be sent out with a position to fill? Surely most other clubs scouting systems would be the same. I think stability is important but I take your point, there are a few tactical question marks over Pardew. Out of interest I looked up how he stacked up against previous managers: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Newcastle_United_F.C._managers His win% doesn't stack up too bad, Hughton's is obviously a lot higher because we were in the championship, what do you think? I'm not too bothered about win percentages, I'm more interested in points per game and I think he comes out better when measured that way. We have the makings of a very good side and I hope we are able to see them gel and become the team that we are capable of becoming. It will be better for us if we do that with Pardew rather than replace him because at least we know how he works here. If he keeps making progress then we should stick with what we’ve got because you never know how another manager would take to working here. If we’re not getting at least the sum of the parts from the team then we will have to change him but he should be judged at the end of the season. The only time to change during the season is if everything is turning to shit. Or somebody became available who we couldn’t refuse and we knew he wanted to come here and that's not the case. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 I don't think anyone defines stability as being tactically inflexible. What does stability bring? I ask the question because I don't think it matters as much when a club has a scouting system which identifies the transfers. I agree stability doesn't mean being tactically inflexible but the tactics we've seen this season haven't been anything out of the ordinary anyway and we've had as many tactics that have back-fired as those that have worked well. The tactics worked well against Stoke, they failed against Brighton. I can't to this day work out what our tactics were against Norwich and I doubt many people can either yet they worked against Man U. Do the scouts identify the transfers though? Would they not be sent out with a position to fill? Surely most other clubs scouting systems would be the same. I think stability is important but I take your point, there are a few tactical question marks over Pardew. Out of interest I looked up how he stacked up against previous managers: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Newcastle_United_F.C._managers His win% doesn't stack up too bad, Hughton's is obviously a lot higher because we were in the championship, what do you think? yes and no. they may be sent out with specific duties but if something else catches their eye. apparently we went to look at david prutton and the report came back raving about jermaine jenas. i remember bobby robson saying he was once at a managers association do and thought he could pick up a game on the way back.....the press had him as being interested in a forward playing, he wasn't, just wanted to watch a game as it was convenient and who knows what it might throw up. also i think we hit this window looking for that centre half but the cisse deal was too good to pass up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ketsbaia Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 Just read this: http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story/_/id/1014641/real-madrid%27s-jose-mourinho-back-in-england-next-season---report?cc=5739 I wouldn't be complaining if the special one decided to join us. Bit of a long shot. Check out his win% http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jos%C3%A9_Mourinho I honestly think him managing us would work well for both parties if he was backed financially. If he could lead us to a trophy then it would add massively to his prestige. Will never happen though. Mourinho is a smart cookie, I imagine he's aware of our potential. I also think he likes us because of Sir Bobby. Just need Branson to hurry up and buy us.... (...Branson or Mourinho will never happen) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 Just read this: http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story/_/id/1014641/real-madrid%27s-jose-mourinho-back-in-england-next-season---report?cc=5739 I wouldn't be complaining if the special one decided to join us. Bit of a long shot. Check out his win% http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jos%C3%A9_Mourinho I honestly think him managing us would work well for both parties if he was backed financially. If he could lead us to a trophy then it would add massively to his prestige. Will never happen though. Mourinho is a smart cookie, I imagine he's aware of our potential. I also think he likes us because of Sir Bobby. Just need Branson to hurry up and buy us.... (...Branson or Mourinho will never happen) liverpool if anywhere. i still have my doubts over him if he can't outspend everyone. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Brendan_Rice Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 Do the scouts identify the transfers though? Would they not be sent out with a position to fill? Surely most other clubs scouting systems would be the same. I think stability is important but I take your point, there are a few tactical question marks over Pardew. Out of interest I looked up how he stacked up against previous managers: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Newcastle_United_F.C._managers His win% doesn't stack up too bad, Hughton's is obviously a lot higher because we were in the championship, what do you think? I'm not too bothered about win percentages, I'm more interested in points per game and I think he comes out better when measured that way. We have the makings of a very good side and I hope we are able to see them gel and become the team that we are capable of becoming. It will be better for us if we do that with Pardew rather than replace him because at least we know how he works here. If he keeps making progress then we should stick with what we’ve got because you never know how another manager would take to working here. If we’re not getting at least the sum of the parts from the team then we will have to change him but he should be judged at the end of the season. The only time to change during the season is if everything is turning to s***. Or somebody became available who we couldn’t refuse and we knew he wanted to come here and that's not the case. Agree with all that, would be interested in seeing a similar table with points per game on it, you seen one about? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 I honestly think him managing us would work well for both parties if he was backed financially. If he could lead us to a trophy then it would add massively to his prestige. Will never happen though. I honestly think we'd have a good chance of getting him as any but maybe 2 or 3 clubs because of his links to Bobby. The only downside for him would be the people he'd have to work with. That could be balanced out by him having already worked on the continent and possibly not having a great deal of input into transfers. The financial fair play will also mean that wherever he goes he's going to have to work within these guidelines so can't expect massive transfer budgets. Would Ashley and Llambias have the intelligence to go after him or talk him into the job? Somehow I couldn't see it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 I don't think he'd be interested in coming here in the slightest. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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