JH Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 Because it comes down to more than 1 game, Wullie. Noone is defending today's performance or his part in it. Oh my god we didn't win! Pardew out! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 And if we don't win next week? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Demba Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 And if we don't win next week? Pardew will get all the blame once again, but if we do win, all the players will get the credit. It's a hard job being a manager. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jagten Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 And if we don't win next week? Pardew will get all the blame once again, but if we do win, all the players will get the credit. It's a hard job being a manager. Its an even harder job being a troll isn't it derek. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dontooner Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 Because we are in the 6th place, if we keep dropping to 10th , they will shutup. The league table is what is stopping them from seeing how we progressed in terms playing football. i often wonder do they watch the games? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 I dont know how anyone can have any faith in Pardew given our performances this season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexf Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 I think people should get hold of a list of our fixtures this season and calculate the number of games where they think we have played well. I counted 6 where win, lose or draw i thought we played very well. But there were a lot of games i thought we were really poor in even if we won that game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smal Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 Demba Ba's the main reason we are where we are in the league. Pardew's had a minimal effect imo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jagten Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 I think people should get hold of a list of our fixtures this season and calculate the number of games where they think we have played well. I counted 6 where win, lose or draw i thought we played very well. But there were a lot of games i thought we were really poor in even if we won that game. Good idea, might do that... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 Demba Ba's the main reason we are where we are in the league. Pardew's had a minimal effect imo We are missing Saylor and his bravery in our box too, imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 I've noticed those that are more critical of Pardew offer good analysis of his faults, the team's etc. and basically debate these things whereas those that defend him have little to say other than we are 6th, we were in the Championship 2 years aho or we have a limited squad. People need to clear their heads of such thoughts and look at our performances, his tactics, the way we play football, our team selections and even his subs. Focus on those things and tell me where he is going right and doing well? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Heneage Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 Aye ok. It was all to do with the squad, so I'll be expecting a win better than 5-1 next week because this is a better squad. See now you're putting words in my mouth. Credit to Hughton for bonding them but that squad was so full of talent- it even got a boost in January when we signed Hall, Van Aanholt and one of the best wingers in that league. I think citing the Championship season is such a redundant concept, but then it fits the agenda and the means you're after. Pardew won't have a situation like that so we can't directly compare the two. Now of course you're using a more flippant approach with reference to the 5-1, but even that is redundant. They're on an upward turn, with a good manager and a slightly improved squad. They have more than one goals outlet so it's a totally different game. Pardew like any manager has his flaws, but as it stands we're going to finish in the top 10. He gets things wrong, but I bet if you look at some Hughton match-threads there are people saying "Why didn't he do X" or "Why did we try this style?" We've still got a lot of work to do if we want to challenge the top 8. Yes this season has worked, but there are still some players who just can't do what we're after (Simpson, Williamson most notably). Yes this is a blip, but as I feared when he joined- every mole hill becomes a mountain with Pardew. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Demba Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 Demba Ba's the main reason we are where we are in the league. Pardew's had a minimal effect imo Who signed Ba? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnypd Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 I've noticed those that are more critical of Pardew offer good analysis of his faults, the team's etc. and basically debate these things whereas those that defend him have little to say other than we are 6th, we were in the Championship 2 years aho or we have a limited squad. People need to clear their heads of such thoughts and look at our performances, his tactics, the way we play football, our team selections and even his subs. Focus on those things and tell me where he is going right and doing well? Saying that we've had far worse than Pardew. everyone bar a couple of crazies know he has some clear faults, but he also has good qualities, even if they seem hard to spot right now. i mean most shite british managers would've kept Nolan at the club and built the side around him, whereas Pardew got rid and brought in a more talented player. Of course Cabaye has been misused but at least the intent was there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 I think people should get hold of a list of our fixtures this season and calculate the number of games where they think we have played well. I counted 6 where win, lose or draw i thought we played very well. But there were a lot of games i thought we were really poor in even if we won that game. Off the top of my head... Villa away, Man Utd at home, Stoke away, Blackburn at home and Spurs at home. And even there, there were parts in each match where I thought "ugh oh" regarding our shape, tactics and football, as well as use of subs. The best we played was against Spurs in a 20 minute second half display that had for example the very good Kyle Walker basically shitting himself whenever Jonas attacked, or Tiote dominating Modric and Parker together. The players at that time for me played with abandon, and to the crowd who willed them on, roared them to get at Spurs. They were hanging on in the end. That's how we should play in the main, we are capable. Remove the negative and clueless Pardew from the equations and we will play more football. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 Yeah me too, can't wait to be in the Championship again, fantastic division. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 Don't think Pardew had much to do with Cabaye's purchase mind, don't think he'd have gone for him in all honesty. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 I'm just angry so many people are turning on Pardew when we are in 6th place, how do we know why he doesn't play Ben Arfa? we know he has off field problems and there can be other reasons too, we've also had terrible luck with injuries, and with a fully fit squad under Pardew we could easily be 4th right now. You're angry because some people don't share your inflated opinion of Pardew. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jagten Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 Mick, demba is a liverpool fan who is just here to troll. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 I've noticed those that are more critical of Pardew offer good analysis of his faults, the team's etc. and basically debate these things whereas those that defend him have little to say other than we are 6th, we were in the Championship 2 years aho or we have a limited squad. People need to clear their heads of such thoughts and look at our performances, his tactics, the way we play football, our team selections and even his subs. Focus on those things and tell me where he is going right and doing well? Good point and true but I can see why many people want to just deal in the absolute end result. After the shit we've had to put up with over the last 7 years or so many (including myself, even if I'm questioning Pardew more and more) are just delighted to be 6th in the league, picking up results on a consistant basis and having some really decent players in the side. For all the criticisms of Pardew's football the simple argument of 'it's only the results that matter' holds just as much weight and I can totally understand people who take that standpoint. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 I've noticed those that are more critical of Pardew offer good analysis of his faults, the team's etc. and basically debate these things whereas those that defend him have little to say other than we are 6th, we were in the Championship 2 years aho or we have a limited squad. People need to clear their heads of such thoughts and look at our performances, his tactics, the way we play football, our team selections and even his subs. Focus on those things and tell me where he is going right and doing well? Saying that we've had far worse than Pardew. everyone bar a couple of crazies know he has some clear faults, but he also has good qualities, even if they seem hard to spot right now. i mean most s**** british managers would've kept Nolan at the club and built the side around him, whereas Pardew got rid and brought in a more talented player. Of course Cabaye has been misused but at least the intent was there. I honestly think if Pardew had any real say or influence in terms of player recruitment or who stays and goes, he'd have kept Barton and Nolan. Finances dictated that we got rid of Nolan and Barton's attack on the board dictated that he went. I cannot think of one positive Pardew brings to this club. Work-rate and team spirit should be a given regardless of manager and the least we should accept. Tactically he's useless. match preperation seems to be a strong point of his but are we really that perpared? I don't think we are. He talks a good game I'll give him that. For me he's winging it and is being found at as each games draws a close. If we persist with pardew long-term, we will not evolve as a footballing entity which could lead to our better players wanting away never mind being sold by the board. Cabaye looks a frustrated player and Ben Arfa will be itching to get away if he keeps being ignored for the likes of R.Taylor and Obertan. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnypd Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 Aye ok. It was all to do with the squad, so I'll be expecting a win better than 5-1 next week because this is a better squad. See now you're putting words in my mouth. Credit to Hughton for bonding them but that squad was so full of talent- it even got a boost in January when we signed Hall, Van Aanholt and one of the best wingers in that league. I think citing the Championship season is such a redundant concept, but then it fits the agenda and the means you're after. Pardew won't have a situation like that so we can't directly compare the two. Now of course you're using a more flippant approach with reference to the 5-1, but even that is redundant. They're on an upward turn, with a good manager and a slightly improved squad. They have more than one goals outlet so it's a totally different game. Pardew like any manager has his flaws, but as it stands we're going to finish in the top 10. He gets things wrong, but I bet if you look at some Hughton match-threads there are people saying "Why didn't he do X" or "Why did we try this style?" We've still got a lot of work to do if we want to challenge the top 8. Yes this season has worked, but there are still some players who just can't do what we're after (Simpson, Williamson most notably). Yes this is a blip, but as I feared when he joined- every mole hill becomes a mountain with Pardew. I think there are one or two similarities with the Championship season and this one. Even though we picked up great results a division down, for the first few months the football was pretty fucking crap. we basically got by because the other sides were abysmal, spurned chances and made mistakes, and of course because we had an excellent squad in comparison. So i think hughton got a fair bit of criticism in those early stages - albeit a recognition he was making us difficult to beat and so on. So that's not a million miles from our experience this season - we've picked up some good results and find ourselves in a pretty good position, but the football's not excelled. we seem to get by less on good football or excellent tactical approaches and more on organisation/solidity (which has disappeared somewhat) and the brilliance of a couple of individuals. Thing is hughton started to change things half way through that season - shifted guthrie inside, got routledge and turned carroll into the player who would later command a £35m fee. we played some excellent stuff later on in the championship season. i know it's not exactly a fair comparison as the premiership is way tougher, but people gave Hughton as just as hard a time as Pardew is getting now because performances weren't right and didnt match the quality we had. he changed it around, improved how we looked as a team and then took it into the next season, developing a system that got the best out of players like Nolan, Barton and Carroll. I'd like to see Pardew attempt something similar from now to the end of the season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 Aye ok. It was all to do with the squad, so I'll be expecting a win better than 5-1 next week because this is a better squad. See now you're putting words in my mouth. Credit to Hughton for bonding them but that squad was so full of talent- it even got a boost in January when we signed Hall, Van Aanholt and one of the best wingers in that league. I think citing the Championship season is such a redundant concept, but then it fits the agenda and the means you're after. Pardew won't have a situation like that so we can't directly compare the two. Now of course you're using a more flippant approach with reference to the 5-1, but even that is redundant. They're on an upward turn, with a good manager and a slightly improved squad. They have more than one goals outlet so it's a totally different game. Pardew like any manager has his flaws, but as it stands we're going to finish in the top 10. He gets things wrong, but I bet if you look at some Hughton match-threads there are people saying "Why didn't he do X" or "Why did we try this style?" We've still got a lot of work to do if we want to challenge the top 8. Yes this season has worked, but there are still some players who just can't do what we're after (Simpson, Williamson most notably). Yes this is a blip, but as I feared when he joined- every mole hill becomes a mountain with Pardew. I think there are one or two similarities with the Championship season and this one. Even though we picked up great results a division down, for the first few months the football was pretty fucking crap. we basically got by because the other sides were abysmal, spurned chances and made mistakes, and of course because we had an excellent squad in comparison. So i think hughton got a fair bit of criticism in those early stages - albeit a recognition he was making us difficult to beat and so on. So that's not a million miles from our experience this season - we've picked up some good results and find ourselves in a pretty good position, but the football's not excelled. we seem to get by less on good football or excellent tactical approaches and more on organisation/solidity (which has disappeared somewhat) and the brilliance of a couple of individuals. Thing is hughton started to change things half way through that season - shifted guthrie inside, got routledge and turned carroll into the player who would later command a £35m fee. we played some excellent stuff later on in the championship season. i know it's not exactly a fair comparison as the premiership is way tougher, but people gave Hughton as just as hard a time as Pardew is getting now because performances weren't right and didnt match the quality we had. he changed it around, improved how we looked as a team and then took it into the next season, developing a system that got the best out of players like Nolan, Barton and Carroll. I'd like to see Pardew attempt something similar from now to the end of the season. Me too but Pardew is far more arrogant and has a much bigger ego than Chris, to the detriment of the team at the moment. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 Good point and true but I can see why many people want to just deal in the absolute end result. After the s*** we've had to put up with over the last 7 years or so many (including myself, even if I'm questioning Pardew more and more) are just delighted to be 6th in the league, picking up results on a consistant basis and having some really decent players in the side. For all the criticisms of Pardew's football the simple argument of 'it's only the results that matter' holds just as much weight and I can totally understand people who take that standpoint. I will never understand why people follow football only for the result. The result is the most important part of the game but the performance comes a close second for me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowlingcrofty Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 I've said numerous times this season that our close home victories 2-1 Everton, Fulham, Villa, 1-0 QPR, Wigan etc have been 'paper over cracks' results. Not one of those games did we really deserve to win, even though we did, and our league placing is seeing the benefits. Still, i'd rather we win them than not at all. It makes me sick the Pardew bullshit he span over the summer "I'm going to get them playing football", when in fact today's performance was one of the biggest hoofball ones we've produced in years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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