Alan Pardew

[Jayson]

Seems to me a lot more dissatisfaction for performances from some than credit given to Pardew for being efficient at picking up points. Who has achieved both solid performances & gotten the most from their squad this season anyway. The top 3 & Swansea? The level of criticism for not achieving it isnt really balanced is it.

[SEMTEX]

P 10, W 5, D 2, L 3. = 17 pts (1.7 a game which averages to 64-65 points over a season)

 

And the 8 matches before that? Very selective statistics there.

 

since the turn of the year

 

 

 

Great post by Deadmau5 like.

 

 

It was in response to the "65 points a year"  while ignoring the fact that we had just come off an 8-game streak returning 5 points, hence the selective statistics comment.

 

His post was a direct response to:

 

Didn't somebody point out that our form hasn't been mid to lower table form since the turn of the year?

 

He posted the results since the turn of the year. Seems like an open-and-shut case to me...

[Mole_Toonfan]

For me, Pardew doesn't trust the defence enough (with good cause!) and has instructed the engine room to stay deep resulting in his having minimal threat from midfield and isolating our strikers.

 

Next year, if we have a decent pair of fullbacks and Saylor back with Colo, then I would expect a marked improvement.

 

Yh agree with that, if we dont get a marked improvement with the quality football after a New CB, LB, Midfield Depth and Taylor, Marveaux, Sammy and a full season of HBA, Ba and Cisse upfront i'll be very disappointed.

[Theregulars]

 

 

A good point. Perhaps Pardew is going for the 'if it ain't broke, don't fix it' approach. I don't think it's a given that we wouldn't suffer if we played better football, and to be fair to the manager there is evidence to back it up. We got spanked by Fulham trying to pass it around, and Chelsea picked us apart on the counter. However, there are also examples where we likely would have got more points if we played more daring and attractive football, so the point is a circular one.

I also never said people were suggesting entertaining was better than winning, but people who bemoaned the lack of entertainment did not set sufficient stock in the fact that we are winning.

 

We were all over Fulham and we were 1-0 at half time, 2nd half we didn't play well and got slaughtered and weren't trying to pass it around in that half.

 

Bigger picture. We tried to play decent, passing football with a high-line - the warning signs that we'd be pinged on the counter were there before half-time (Santon should have been sent off for hauling down cueball Johnson). We were brutally exposed on the counter-attack by playing that style of football, lending total credence to Otter's post at the top of this page.

[Mick]

For me, Pardew doesn't trust the defence enough (with good cause!) and has instructed the engine room to stay deep resulting in his having minimal threat from midfield and isolating our strikers.

 

Next year, if we have a decent pair of fullbacks and Saylor back with Colo, then I would expect a marked improvement.

 

If that was the case then why didn't we bring somebody in during the January transfer window when we spent £10 million on a forward?

[SUPERTOON]

For me, Pardew doesn't trust the defence enough (with good cause!) and has instructed the engine room to stay deep resulting in his having minimal threat from midfield and isolating our strikers.

 

Next year, if we have a decent pair of fullbacks and Saylor back with Colo, then I would expect a marked improvement.

 

If that was the case then why didn't we bring somebody in during the January transfer window when we spent £10 million on a forwward?

 

Maybe they couldn't get the right players, i mean it took a year to replace Carroll.

[Mick]

Seems to me a lot more dissatisfaction for performances from some than credit given to Pardew for being efficient at picking up points. Who has achieved both solid performances & gotten the most from their squad this season anyway. The top 3 & Swansea? The level of criticism for not achieving it isnt really balanced is it.

 

Give over, every person who is saying we could play better are saying that the points total and league position is better than expected.

[Guest BooBoo]

Mick I think it's long been established that under this regime, the managers input into transfers is limited. Pardew publically said we wanted a centre back, but those above him refused to stump up for the lad from Watford.

 

 

[Parky]

For me, Pardew doesn't trust the defence enough (with good cause!) and has instructed the engine room to stay deep resulting in his having minimal threat from midfield and isolating our strikers.

 

Next year, if we have a decent pair of fullbacks and Saylor back with Colo, then I would expect a marked improvement.

 

Not just the engine room though is it? We all know he's hysterical about protecting the back 4, but we're saying against teams like Norwich he's overdoing the caution.

[eliassenfredrik]

 

 

I have never said that and I don't think anybody else is. The point is that, while winning AND entertaining football is the ideal, the reality is we are not getting both, and for me/others winning>entertaining.

 

Not a single person is suggesting that winning isn't better than entertaining, some of us thinks we can play better without negatively affecting our results.

 

A good point. Perhaps Pardew is going for the 'if it ain't broke, don't fix it' approach. I don't think it's a given that we wouldn't suffer if we played better football, and to be fair to the manager there is evidence to back it up. We got spanked by Fulham trying to pass it around, and Chelsea picked us apart on the counter. However, there are also examples where we likely would have got more points if we played more daring and attractive football, so the point is a circular one.

I also never said people were suggesting entertaining was better than winning, but people who bemoaned the lack of entertainment did not set sufficient stock in the fact that we are winning.

 

Well, I'd say things looked pretty broke against Tottenham, Wolves, Sunderland and Arsenal. In different ways. Tottenham, fair enough, we were without our midfield. Wolves and Arsenal convincingly closing the shop and pretty much surrender. Sunderland in the end was saved by Pardew and the players realizing; "hey, let's try to play some football for a change".

[Jayson]

Seems to me a lot more dissatisfaction for performances from some than credit given to Pardew for being efficient at picking up points. Who has achieved both solid performances & gotten the most from their squad this season anyway. The top 3 & Swansea? The level of criticism for not achieving it isnt really balanced is it.

 

Give over, every person who is saying we could play better are saying that the points total and league position is better than expected.

 

Actions louder than words and all that. If you valued it moreso as you said earlier, your satisfaction would outweight your dissastisfaction. It clearly doesnt as you post criticism of Pardew on here daily.

[Theregulars]

For me, Pardew doesn't trust the defence enough (with good cause!) and has instructed the engine room to stay deep resulting in his having minimal threat from midfield and isolating our strikers.

 

Next year, if we have a decent pair of fullbacks and Saylor back with Colo, then I would expect a marked improvement.

 

If that was the case then why didn't we bring somebody in during the January transfer window when we spent £10 million on a forward?

 

Because nobody of the requisite quality was available at a reasonable price? This is a transfer strategy which has been proved to have serious merit on the basis of this season. Also, they probably didn't think Williamson would be as suspect as he has been based on how solid, if unspectacular, he was last year.

[Guest]

P 10, W 5, D 2, L 3. = 17 pts (1.7 a game which averages to 64-65 points over a season)

 

And the 8 matches before that? Very selective statistics there.

 

since the turn of the year

 

 

 

Great post by Deadmau5 like.

 

 

It was in response to the "65 points a year"  while ignoring the fact that we had just come off an 8-game streak returning 5 points, hence the selective statistics comment.

 

His post was a direct response to:

 

Didn't somebody point out that our form hasn't been mid to lower table form since the turn of the year?

 

He posted the results since the turn of the year. Seems like an open-and-shut case to me...

 

We could do something equally ridiculous and average our points we've achieved in a season (ie, that thing we've played in from August), and we're still averaging over 61 points.

[Mick]

Mick I think it's long been established that under this regime, the managers input into transfers is limited. Pardew publically said we wanted a centre back, but those above him refused to stump up for the lad from Watford.

 

 

 

He must have some say in transfers, even if it's only in saying where he wants strengthening and not who comes in.

[Parky]

....and why did he do COMPLETELY THE WRONG THING  away to Spurs? None of it makes sense I tells ya!

[Theregulars]

 

 

I have never said that and I don't think anybody else is. The point is that, while winning AND entertaining football is the ideal, the reality is we are not getting both, and for me/others winning>entertaining.

 

Not a single person is suggesting that winning isn't better than entertaining, some of us thinks we can play better without negatively affecting our results.

 

A good point. Perhaps Pardew is going for the 'if it ain't broke, don't fix it' approach. I don't think it's a given that we wouldn't suffer if we played better football, and to be fair to the manager there is evidence to back it up. We got spanked by Fulham trying to pass it around, and Chelsea picked us apart on the counter. However, there are also examples where we likely would have got more points if we played more daring and attractive football, so the point is a circular one.

I also never said people were suggesting entertaining was better than winning, but people who bemoaned the lack of entertainment did not set sufficient stock in the fact that we are winning.

 

Well, I'd say things looked pretty broke against Tottenham, Wolves, Sunderland and Arsenal. In different ways. Tottenham, fair enough, we were without our midfield. Wolves and Arsenal convincingly closing the shop and pretty much surrender. Sunderland in the end was saved by Pardew and the players realizing; "hey, let's try to play some football for a change".

 

That's a good point, too. My point was more aimed at the overall picture in relation to the whole season, but you are right, there is plenty of evidence to suggest that his system could use a tweaking, but not enough to suggest that it's rubbish/spineless/cowardly/gutless etc as many have levelled. However your point is valid.

[Guest BooBoo]

He clearly identified that we were looking for a defender. He's not involved though in getting a deal done. We made a bid for the lad, got rebuffed and decided to gamble on Williamson. A mistake, but I don't see how Pardew can be blamed for it.

[Parky]

If Ba hadn't been on fire those few weeks we'd be seeing a more realisitc picture. That is the truth of it.

[Guest]

If Ba hadn't been on fire those few weeks we'd be seeing a more realisitc picture. That is the truth of it.

 

He's scored 2 goals since the New Year and we've still won half of our matches.

[Guest Deadmau5]

If you accept the notion that he had no blame in not getting a defender in, can you then credit him for getting Cabaye, Ba and Santon in the door?

 

[Guest BooBoo]

If Ba hadn't been on fire those few weeks we'd be seeing a more realisitc picture. That is the truth of it.

 

But he was on fire. If we're saying that players are now performing poorly due to coaching/tactics then surely when players are on form then it's down to the same?

[Guest BooBoo]

If you accept the notion that he had no blame in not getting a defender in, can you then credit him for getting Cabaye, Ba and Santon in the door?

 

 

Not particularly.

[Mick]

 

 

Actions louder than words and all that. If you valued it moreso as you said earlier, your satisfaction would outweight your dissastisfaction. It clearly doesnt as you post criticism of Pardew on here daily.

 

I'll decide what I post, thanks.  I'm more than happy that we won again yesterday, our performance after 20 or 30 minutes at home to Norwich isn't good enough and I'll say so.

[Guest]

If Ba hadn't been on fire those few weeks we'd be seeing a more realisitc picture. That is the truth of it.

 

But he was on fire. If we're saying that players are now performing poorly due to coaching/tactics then surely when players are on form then it's down to the same?

 

Player plays well = It's the player digging the manager out of a hole

Player doesn't play well = Pardew's fault

[Guest BooBoo]

Spot on Nutella.