Is Mike Ashley the worst person ever to have been associated with NUFC?

[Guest neesy111]

Milner for £12M was a steal of a deal for NUFC, he was worth half of that at the time and is still one of the most overrated players in the history of football.

 

Who are your most valued ex-Toon players from the last 5 years then?

 

Valued in what way?

 

i.e. My Favourite Players or players worth more than what they were?

[Guest neesy111]

Milner for £12M was a steal of a deal for NUFC, he was worth half of that at the time and is still one of the most overrated players in the history of football.

 

Meh, true but Woodgate and Dyer deals were much better, all three go part way to making up for Michael Owen and Alan Smith. Surprised we didnt get more for N'Zobia, he did have the tantrum, hard to hand tag on him though at the time.

 

Woodgate was excellent deal for player that only played in 33% of matches at NUFC, just we had to give the proceeds of that sale to our worst ever manager.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Milner for £12M was a steal of a deal for NUFC, he was worth half of that at the time and is still one of the most overrated players in the history of football.

 

Totally agree, what Villa paid for him was crazy and what Man City paid was bordering on clinically insane.

[Guest Roger Kint]

neesy talks shite episode 3077623. It was never as bad as 33% unless we had about 120 games in the 18 months he was there

[AyeDubbleYoo]

neesy talks shite episode 3077623. It was never as bad as 33% unless we had about 120 games in the 18 months he was there

 

The point is valid though, his injury record was horrible and went on to get even worse. To sell him for that money was a no-brainer.

[Guest Roger Kint]

neesy talks s**** episode 3077623. It was never as bad as 33% unless we had about 120 games in the 18 months he was there

 

The point is valid though, his injury record was horrible and went on to get even worse. To sell him for that money was a no-brainer.

 

Didnt know i mentioned anything to do with his future record or the decision to sell him.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

neesy talks s**** episode 3077623. It was never as bad as 33% unless we had about 120 games in the 18 months he was there

 

The point is valid though, his injury record was horrible and went on to get even worse. To sell him for that money was a no-brainer.

 

Didnt know i mentioned anything to do with his future record or the decision to sell him.

 

You didn't, you chose to pounce on a minor detail while ignoring the actual point about Woodgate and his sale.

[Guest Antec]

Milner for £12M was a steal of a deal for NUFC, he was worth half of that at the time and is still one of the most overrated players in the history of football.

 

It would have been a steal if we didn't need him or his replacement was better

[Guest neesy111]

neesy talks shite episode 3077623. It was never as bad as 33% unless we had about 120 games in the 18 months he was there

 

He played 28 games in 18 months when we played around 70-80 games (we played like 16 games in the UEFA cup IIRC in 1 season alone).

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Milner for £12M was a steal of a deal for NUFC, he was worth half of that at the time and is still one of the most overrated players in the history of football.

 

It would have been a steal if we didn't need him or his replacement was better

 

You can't judge every transfer in hindsight like that though, you have to act on the information available at the time.

[Guest neesy111]

Milner for £12M was a steal of a deal for NUFC, he was worth half of that at the time and is still one of the most overrated players in the history of football.

 

It would have been a steal if we didn't need him or his replacement was better

 

You can't judge every transfer in hindsight like that though, you have to act on the information available at the time.

 

I fully supported that transfer and still do.  Remember Milner wanted a brand new contract less than 12 months after he signed a new one and put in a transfer request.

[Guest Roger Kint]

neesy talks s**** episode 3077623. It was never as bad as 33% unless we had about 120 games in the 18 months he was there

 

He played 28 games in 18 months when we played around 70-80 games (we played like 16 games in the UEFA cup IIRC in 1 season alone).

 

He played 36, we played 55 in 03-04 and 17(i think) during his time in 02-03. Would you care to hazard a guess at that percentage?

[Guest Antec]

Milner for £12M was a steal of a deal for NUFC, he was worth half of that at the time and is still one of the most overrated players in the history of football.

 

It would have been a steal if we didn't need him or his replacement was better

 

You can't judge every transfer in hindsight like that though, you have to act on the information available at the time.

 

If the same scenario came up now, knowing what is likely to happen, would it still be a great deal?

[Guest Roger Kint]

neesy talks s**** episode 3077623. It was never as bad as 33% unless we had about 120 games in the 18 months he was there

 

The point is valid though, his injury record was horrible and went on to get even worse. To sell him for that money was a no-brainer.

 

Didnt know i mentioned anything to do with his future record or the decision to sell him.

 

You didn't, you chose to pounce on a minor detail while ignoring the actual point about Woodgate and his sale.

 

Or in reality i disputed neesy's poor maths. Nothing more, nothing less.

[Guest neesy111]

Milner for £12M was a steal of a deal for NUFC, he was worth half of that at the time and is still one of the most overrated players in the history of football.

 

It would have been a steal if we didn't need him or his replacement was better

 

You can't judge every transfer in hindsight like that though, you have to act on the information available at the time.

 

If the same scenario came up now, knowing what is likely to happen, would it still be a great deal?

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neesy talks s**** episode 3077623. It was never as bad as 33% unless we had about 120 games in the 18 months he was there

 

He played 28 games in 18 months when we played around 70-80 games (we played like 16 games in the UEFA cup IIRC in 1 season alone).

 

He played 36, we played 55 in 03-04 and 17(i think) during his time in 02-03. Would you care to hazard a guess at that percentage?

 

Well I'm going off what SSN said.  That would be 50%.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

neesy talks s**** episode 3077623. It was never as bad as 33% unless we had about 120 games in the 18 months he was there

 

The point is valid though, his injury record was horrible and went on to get even worse. To sell him for that money was a no-brainer.

 

Didnt know i mentioned anything to do with his future record or the decision to sell him.

 

You didn't, you chose to pounce on a minor detail while ignoring the actual point about Woodgate and his sale.

 

Or in reality i disputed neesy's poor maths. Nothing more, nothing less.

 

Fair enough, I read too much into it. Didn't seem to be worth the typing unless you thought it meant that Woodgate's fitness wasn't that bad. Anyway, who cares.

[Dave]

The money we got for Milner was excellent. The problem as normal was the failure to replace him.

[Guest neesy111]

The money we got for Milner was excellent. The problem as normal was the failure to replace him.

 

This.  Same with the Woodgate deal, excellent deal just decided to replace him with Boumsong a player which SBR turned down a year earlier on a free.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

The money we got for Milner was excellent. The problem as normal was the failure to replace him.

 

Course, totally agree, I just don't think you can use that to judge the transfer itself (not saying you are specifically).

[quayside]

And the "reject from the 3rd division" has taken a Premiership side to the FA Cup Final (he lost the final but iirc he came very close to winning said cup). We've had a few managers in recent years including "the man who saved his (Ashley's) bacon" who haven't done that. I really liked Hughton and respected how he got stuck in to the job but has a manager in the Championship ever had a better squad?

 

After that 6-1 at Orient I could only see us doing a Leeds. Many relegated sides have their best players bought and are left with all the underperformers on far too much cash, which is why you have to get straight back up or you're f****d. Hughton did great. Pardew I'll give time to but Hughton deserved better. (And he was an honourable man which I've yet to be convinced of with Pardew).

 

Finally can I ask if you would have been quite happpy to give Nolan a 5 year contract at around £50k a week? And consider that question in the light of what effect deals like that have done to Premiership clubs (us and West Ham included) in recent years.

 

We didn't need to - he had 2 years of his contract left. Both Given and Milner have said that it wouldn't have taken much to persuade them to stay but no-one bothered. And with Carroll we went through the flimsiest of pretences that we didn't want him to go. I'd have kept Nolan for another year 'til it was obvious that we no longer needed him, yes.

 

Being an honourable man does not rank very high on the list of must haves for an effective football manager sadly. This is a shitty industry with millions of pounds slushing around in it and the concept of treating people decently went out the window some years ago.

 

My understanding on the Nolan position was that he was trying to get a new contract so as to prevent the club doing exactly what you have described.

[Guest TheSummerOf69]

And the "reject from the 3rd division" has taken a Premiership side to the FA Cup Final (he lost the final but iirc he came very close to winning said cup). We've had a few managers in recent years including "the man who saved his (Ashley's) bacon" who haven't done that. I really liked Hughton and respected how he got stuck in to the job but has a manager in the Championship ever had a better squad?

 

After that 6-1 at Orient I could only see us doing a Leeds. Many relegated sides have their best players bought and are left with all the underperformers on far too much cash, which is why you have to get straight back up or you're f****d. Hughton did great. Pardew I'll give time to but Hughton deserved better. (And he was an honourable man which I've yet to be convinced of with Pardew).

 

Finally can I ask if you would have been quite happpy to give Nolan a 5 year contract at around £50k a week? And consider that question in the light of what effect deals like that have done to Premiership clubs (us and West Ham included) in recent years.

 

We didn't need to - he had 2 years of his contract left. Both Given and Milner have said that it wouldn't have taken much to persuade them to stay but no-one bothered. And with Carroll we went through the flimsiest of pretences that we didn't want him to go. I'd have kept Nolan for another year 'til it was obvious that we no longer needed him, yes.

 

Being an honourable man does not rank very high on the list of must haves for an effective football manager sadly. This is a shitty industry with millions of pounds slushing around in it and the concept of treating people decently went out the window some years ago.

 

My understanding on the Nolan position was that he was trying to get a new contract so as to prevent the club doing exactly what you have described.

 

When you look at some of the dodgy transfers that Dalglish, Souness, and Wise were involved in then you have to question wether they had our best interests at heart. I like a manager I can trust.

 

However... Pardew can be as slippery as he likes but it looks like Ashley has learnt his lessons and won't give him an inch. Hughton's biggest failing in Ashley's eyes was probably to give Sol Campbell a year's contract (Best has come good enough to attract a significantly higher price tag than the freebie we got him on). I think Hughton made that mistake with the best intentions and the interests of the club at heart though.

[Zero]

The money we got for Milner was excellent. The problem as normal was the failure to replace him.

 

This.  Same with the Woodgate deal, excellent deal just decided to replace him with Boumsong a player which SBR turned down a year earlier on a free.

 

If my memory is correct, isn't the Boumsong's deal was investigated as Shepherd's son was involved in illegal dealing or rebates, something like that?

[Guest TheSummerOf69]

The money we got for Milner was excellent. The problem as normal was the failure to replace him.

 

One of the reasons the money was "excellent" - it was right at the end of the transfer window with no time to replace him and only the inflated January market to come. And then in panic we spent a big chunk of the cash on Xisco who has done an awful lot less for the club, and on much higher wages, than James Milner.

 

It also cost us a 2m payout to Keegan for constructive dismissal, and a good deal more than 12m getting relegated so I'm not sure that the money looks quite so good from a long view. This is even before you factor in the successful 26m City bid for him 2 years later.

[Foluwashola]

The money we got for Milner was excellent. The problem as normal was the failure to replace him.

 

Course, totally agree, I just don't think you can use that to judge the transfer itself (not saying you are specifically).

 

Surely a sale has to be judged on whether it helps the squad improve in the near future?

 

The Milner sale certainly didn't. Hopefully the Carroll sale will...... 

[Dr Venkman]

if incoming deals can be judged in hindsight then why cant outgoing deals?