FA reject unfair dismissal appeal from NUFC for Cheik Tiote

[Guest sicko2ndbest]

It's not about whether he won the ball or how close he is to the player, it's about the INTENT in which he went flying in, off the ground. It was like a f***ing karate kick.

 

So is an overhead kick

 

Sending off offence?

 

IT WASN'T AN OVERHEAD KICK. f*** me

 

It was a challenge, a challenge in which he lunged in 'dangerously' (in the opinion of referee and assistant) in the general direction of player and/or ball. Regardless of whether it was a foul or not, he was always going to get sent off.

 

It was your reference to it being like a karate kick and me simply pointing out so is an overhead kick. They are reckless often putting feet where heads are.

 

[Foluwashola]

If Tiote had missed both the player and the ball, would he have been sent off?

[Dave]

Dave's got this spot on. Alot in this thread, sicko especially, are looking at this with black and white specs on.

 

That sort of challenge on one of our players tonight and there'd be absolute uproar for the player to be banned.

 

 

 

Jonny I am normally in agreement with the powers that be on this board and value their input into discussion

 

However, on this occasion I am flabberghasted that you feel this is in any way even a foul. There is no black and White. It is not a foul therefore it is not a red

 

I think agreeing to disagree is the only way forward

 

What on earth does that mean btw?

 

Are you after an ego massaging?

 

What?! :lol:

 

I honestly have no idea what you're on about referring to 'the powers that be on this board', and what relevance that has to this discussion.

[Optimistic Nut]

It's not about whether he won the ball or how close he is to the player, it's about the INTENT in which he went flying in, off the ground. It was like a f***ing karate kick.

 

So is an overhead kick

 

Sending off offence?

 

IT WASN'T AN OVERHEAD KICK. f*** me

 

It was a challenge, a challenge in which he lunged in 'dangerously' (in the opinion of referee and assistant) in the general direction of player and/or ball. Regardless of whether it was a foul or not, he was always going to get sent off.

 

It was your reference to it being like a karate kick and me simply pointing out so is an overhead kick. They are reckless often putting feet where heads are.

 

 

Spot on imo.

[Karjala]

That was a red, and Tiote will be suspended for the scum game.

 

(ive not said anything we didnt already know)

[Guest guinness_fiend]

Some barmy stuff gets posted on here after people have been on the pop for a few hours

[Crumpy Gunt]

That second angle makes it look even clearer it was a good tackle. Can the youtube be put up or not?

[Robster]

Can the youtube be put up or not?

[Foluwashola]

That second angle makes it look even clearer it was a good tackle. Can the youtube be put up or not?

 

Too gory.

[Guest sicko2ndbest]

Although it was a good tackle, it could easily have gone wrong. Nee chance of it getting rescinded.

 

Lol

 

So good tackles should now be punished?

[Ketsbaia]

this is madness. in a forum there'll always be people that just like to disagree, but why aren't we all unanimous in this? maybe its naivity.....

 

Or maybe it's blind faith from people with black and white specs on?

 

I still maintain that if the roles were reversed, and it was a Stevenage player in question, there would be outrage on this forum.

 

hand on heart, i would feel the same. a great tackle is a great tackle, no matter who he plays for.

[Fatwax]

Are we to outlaw overhead kicks in the area now from a corner now by the way just in case the player attempting the kick might hurt a defender even though he's in control of the situation?

 

No, because that isn't a tackle. If there was a string of serious incidents from overhead kicks I guarantee the FA would head in that direction though.

 

 

 

If the player's in the air and not really in control of his body at that point, what's the difference?

 

I suppose there isn't, but you could say the same about diving headers.

 

The fact is that serious career ending injuries have been caused from players leaving the ground and going into the tackle and so the rules have changed over the years to allow referees to simply red card anything like this, because this tackle could have gone horribly wrong and can't see how anyone could deny that.

 

Yes, he DID get the ball, but because he left the ground and lunged in with a lot of power behind the tackle, this will be considered reckless by the FA.

[JH]

Although it was a good tackle, it could easily have gone wrong. Nee chance of it getting rescinded.

 

Lol

 

So good tackles should now be punished?

 

Don't see anyone saying he should be sent off for a good challenge.

[Optimistic Nut]

Although it was a good tackle, it could easily have gone wrong. Nee chance of it getting rescinded.

 

It's not about whether he won the ball or how close he is to the player, it's about the INTENT in which he went flying in, off the ground. It was like a f***ing karate kick.

 

This, however, is balls. His intent was what he executed: take advantage of a loose touch by jumping in front of the player and hooking the ball. It was still dangerous, however.

 

If it goes wrong then you send him off. It's like any tackle man. If you slide in the box and win the ball, it's no penalty. If you slide in the box and miss the ball, it is a penalty. There's no, "Oooh, but he might have got the timing wrong let's give a penalty anyway". Same should apply here imo.

[Guest sicko2ndbest]

If Tiote had missed both the player and the ball, would he have been sent off?

 

No he would have been Alan smith

[Aphrodite]

Although it was a good tackle, it could easily have gone wrong. Nee chance of it getting rescinded.

 

It's not about whether he won the ball or how close he is to the player, it's about the INTENT in which he went flying in, off the ground. It was like a f***ing karate kick.

 

This, however, is balls. His intent was what he executed: take advantage of a loose touch by jumping in front of the player and hooking the ball. It was still dangerous, however.

 

If it goes wrong then you send him off. It's like any tackle man. If you slide in the box and win the ball, it's no penalty. If you slide in the box and miss the ball, it is a penalty. There's no, "Oooh, but he might have got the timing wrong let's give a penalty anyway". Same should apply here imo.

 

What about if you elbow/punch someone and don't make contact?

[Fatwax]

If Tiote had missed both the player and the ball, would he have been sent off?

 

No he would have been Alan smith

 

Alan Smith never misses the player.

[cp40]

Although it was a good tackle, it could easily have gone wrong. Nee chance of it getting rescinded.

 

It's not about whether he won the ball or how close he is to the player, it's about the INTENT in which he went flying in, off the ground. It was like a f***ing karate kick.

 

This, however, is balls. His intent was what he executed: take advantage of a loose touch by jumping in front of the player and hooking the ball. It was still dangerous, however.

 

If it goes wrong then you send him off. It's like any tackle man. If you slide in the box and win the ball, it's no penalty. If you slide in the box and miss the ball, it is a penalty. There's no, "Oooh, but he might have got the timing wrong let's give a penalty anyway". Same should apply here imo.

 

What about if you elbow/punch someone and don't make contact?

 

 

;D

[Keefaz]

Although it was a good tackle, it could easily have gone wrong. Nee chance of it getting rescinded.

 

It's not about whether he won the ball or how close he is to the player, it's about the INTENT in which he went flying in, off the ground. It was like a f***ing karate kick.

 

This, however, is balls. His intent was what he executed: take advantage of a loose touch by jumping in front of the player and hooking the ball. It was still dangerous, however.

 

If it goes wrong then you send him off. It's like any tackle man. If you slide in the box and win the ball, it's no penalty. If you slide in the box and miss the ball, it is a penalty. There's no, "Oooh, but he might have got the timing wrong let's give a penalty anyway". Same should apply here imo.

 

What about if you elbow/punch someone and don't make contact?

 

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[Fatwax]

Although it was a good tackle, it could easily have gone wrong. Nee chance of it getting rescinded.

 

It's not about whether he won the ball or how close he is to the player, it's about the INTENT in which he went flying in, off the ground. It was like a f***ing karate kick.

 

This, however, is balls. His intent was what he executed: take advantage of a loose touch by jumping in front of the player and hooking the ball. It was still dangerous, however.

 

If it goes wrong then you send him off. It's like any tackle man. If you slide in the box and win the ball, it's no penalty. If you slide in the box and miss the ball, it is a penalty. There's no, "Oooh, but he might have got the timing wrong let's give a penalty anyway". Same should apply here imo.

 

What about if you elbow/punch someone and don't make contact?

 

This is actually a red card. Roy Keane got a red for a swing and a miss against Shearer.

 

EDIT:

[AyeDubbleYoo]

His intent was clearly to win the ball, the outcome was that he clearly did win the ball. The opponent wasn't hurt.

 

I would hope an appeal based on that would have a decent chance.

[Optimistic Nut]

Although it was a good tackle, it could easily have gone wrong. Nee chance of it getting rescinded.

 

It's not about whether he won the ball or how close he is to the player, it's about the INTENT in which he went flying in, off the ground. It was like a f***ing karate kick.

 

This, however, is balls. His intent was what he executed: take advantage of a loose touch by jumping in front of the player and hooking the ball. It was still dangerous, however.

 

If it goes wrong then you send him off. It's like any tackle man. If you slide in the box and win the ball, it's no penalty. If you slide in the box and miss the ball, it is a penalty. There's no, "Oooh, but he might have got the timing wrong let's give a penalty anyway". Same should apply here imo.

 

What about if you elbow/punch someone and don't make contact?

 

Eh? But that's clearly intent to hurt the other player. There was no intent whatsoever on Tiote's part to hurt their player, he didn't hurt their player, and he won the ball cleanly.

[Incognito]

How can you intend to hurt a player by lunging for the ball and the player contesting the tackle is running next to you?

[Aphrodite]

Although it was a good tackle, it could easily have gone wrong. Nee chance of it getting rescinded.

 

It's not about whether he won the ball or how close he is to the player, it's about the INTENT in which he went flying in, off the ground. It was like a f***ing karate kick.

 

This, however, is balls. His intent was what he executed: take advantage of a loose touch by jumping in front of the player and hooking the ball. It was still dangerous, however.

 

If it goes wrong then you send him off. It's like any tackle man. If you slide in the box and win the ball, it's no penalty. If you slide in the box and miss the ball, it is a penalty. There's no, "Oooh, but he might have got the timing wrong let's give a penalty anyway". Same should apply here imo.

 

What about if you elbow/punch someone and don't make contact?

 

Eh? But that's clearly intent to hurt the other player. There was no intent whatsoever on Tiote's part to hurt their player, he didn't hurt their player, and he won the ball cleanly.

 

It's the act which gets punished, not the outcome though. Look at Ronaldo's red card against Man City a few years back on YouTube.

[Keefaz]

His intent was clearly to win the ball, the outcome was that he clearly did win the ball. The opponent wasn't hurt.

 

I would hope an appeal based on that would have a decent chance.

 

Why? Not every potential leg-breaker is because the player is fucking evil or out to kill the opponent. People are clumsy, they're over-eager,  etc. The end result of a over-eager tackle which breaks a leg is the same as the Roy Keane leg-breaking type of tackle.