Guest icemanblue Posted August 15, 2013 Share Posted August 15, 2013 "Hyper negative"? Ian you're the most negative defeatist person on this forum. Everyone else wants the club to be successful, you're happy with existing and "having a season with a few decent moments". I don't know how you've got the nerve to say anyone else is negative. Please tell me what these positives are that we're all missing. The club is in more disarray than I've ever known it and this after scraping to safety last time round. Really? Of course. There's nobody actually running the club anymore, if you hadn't noticed. No, I hadn't, but thanks for pointing it out. I don't agree with that, at all, like. I'd say we were in a far worse state during the relegation season, for one. Although, I'm absolutely sure there are near countless bleaker times we've experienced. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 15, 2013 Share Posted August 15, 2013 How can we compete for 6th or 7th with the current options in the forward positions and this manager? We finished 5th with similar. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Wullie Posted August 15, 2013 Share Posted August 15, 2013 We nearly went down with similar much more recently. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted August 15, 2013 Share Posted August 15, 2013 How can we compete for 6th or 7th with the current options in the forward positions and this manager? We finished 5th with similar. That team had far more goals and options than what we have now. It's not similar. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted August 15, 2013 Share Posted August 15, 2013 We nearly went down with similar much more recently. And it has ramped up a level of shitness in terms of board level and squad. Also the manager has very little support compared to the start of last season. But lets laugh it off, everything is fine, best period in years. Rock on fella. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 15, 2013 Share Posted August 15, 2013 How can we compete for 6th or 7th with the current options in the forward positions and this manager? We finished 5th with similar. That team had far more goals and options than what we have now. It's not similar. The major differences are Remy & Gouffran for Ba & Best. Plus Cisse for a full season this time, and Sissoko. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted August 15, 2013 Share Posted August 15, 2013 The fact is that lesser clubs around us are going out and spending the money they need to upgrade their squad for the season now. We are trying to bring in players on the cheap - in this case Gomis because his contract is running down and he's in a dispute with his current club - and we end up bringing in the players we need for an admittedly decent price a season or 2 after we actually need them. We're undoubtedly gambling on getting another striker and a winger for pennies instead of splashing out the money that would guarantee it (£10m-£15m for a Carroll or Bony, hell add another few bob on top and go for a Soldado.) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted August 15, 2013 Share Posted August 15, 2013 And then we all get a stot on because we paid £4m for a striker and "Mike wins again." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted August 15, 2013 Share Posted August 15, 2013 I don't think our squad is worse than the one that finished fifth. Ba is a big miss but Cisse benefits from his leaving and we also have Remy if he doesn't go down. Our midfield and defence is better now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted August 15, 2013 Share Posted August 15, 2013 The fact is that lesser clubs around us are going out and spending the money they need to upgrade their squad for the season now. We are trying to bring in players on the cheap - in this case Gomis because his contract is running down and he's in a dispute with his current club - and we end up bringing in the players we need for an admittedly decent price a season or 2 after we actually need them. We're undoubtedly gambling on getting another striker and a winger for pennies instead of splashing out the money that would guarantee it (£10m-£15m for a Carroll or Bony, hell add another few bob on top and go for a Soldado.) Wasn't Gomis going to cost about £8m? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 15, 2013 Share Posted August 15, 2013 I don't think our squad is worse than the one that finished fifth. Ba is a big miss but Cisse benefits from his leaving and we also have Remy if he doesn't go down. Our midfield and defence is better now. I don't think our squad is worse than the one that finished fifth. Ba is a big miss but Cisse benefits from his leaving and we also have Remy if he doesn't go down. Our midfield and defence is better now. I don't think our squad is worse than the one that finished fifth. Ba is a big miss but Cisse benefits from his leaving and we also have Remy if he doesn't go down. Our midfield and defence is better now. Aye, Debuchy is also a much better attacking outlet compared to Simpson also. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest chopey Posted August 15, 2013 Share Posted August 15, 2013 The fact is that lesser clubs around us are going out and spending the money they need to upgrade their squad for the season now. We are trying to bring in players on the cheap - in this case Gomis because his contract is running down and he's in a dispute with his current club - and we end up bringing in the players we need for an admittedly decent price a season or 2 after we actually need them. We're undoubtedly gambling on getting another striker and a winger for pennies instead of splashing out the money that would guarantee it (£10m-£15m for a Carroll or Bony, hell add another few bob on top and go for a Soldado.) Wasn't Gomis going to cost about £8m? Yes he was thats the reason he is not here Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted August 15, 2013 Share Posted August 15, 2013 The squad that finished 5th was relatively lucky with injuries in defensive areas (we went to shit when Taylor was injured) and scrapped it's way to victory. Had Coloccini and Krul picked lengthy injuries we probably would have been nearer to 17th than we were 5th. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted August 15, 2013 Share Posted August 15, 2013 The squad that finished 5th was relatively lucky with injuries in defensive areas (we went to shit when Taylor was injured) and scrapped it's way to victory. Had Coloccini and Krul picked lengthy injuries we probably would have been nearer to 17th than we were 5th. Sure, but even if that's the case any team would be affected by injuries to players as important as those two. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lotus Posted August 15, 2013 Share Posted August 15, 2013 Was hoping beyond any semblence of reasoning that we would replace Tiote with Capoue. Shame. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted August 15, 2013 Share Posted August 15, 2013 The fact is that lesser clubs around us are going out and spending the money they need to upgrade their squad for the season now. We are trying to bring in players on the cheap - in this case Gomis because his contract is running down and he's in a dispute with his current club - and we end up bringing in the players we need for an admittedly decent price a season or 2 after we actually need them. We're undoubtedly gambling on getting another striker and a winger for pennies instead of splashing out the money that would guarantee it (£10m-£15m for a Carroll or Bony, hell add another few bob on top and go for a Soldado.) Wasn't Gomis going to cost about £8m? £4m cheaper than Bony and £7m cheaper than Carroll. Both who were probably willing to come (the latter was desperate) and are probably better players. We missed out on them though and now we'll probably miss out Gomis. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Roger Kint Posted August 15, 2013 Share Posted August 15, 2013 Was hoping beyond any semblence of reasoning that we would replace Tiote with Capoue. Shame. Aye all this talk about strikers, Tiote looks like he is even worse this pre season. God help us with him assaulting people 5 times a game, fully expect a red card on Monday. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted August 15, 2013 Share Posted August 15, 2013 The fact is that lesser clubs around us are going out and spending the money they need to upgrade their squad for the season now. We are trying to bring in players on the cheap - in this case Gomis because his contract is running down and he's in a dispute with his current club - and we end up bringing in the players we need for an admittedly decent price a season or 2 after we actually need them. We're undoubtedly gambling on getting another striker and a winger for pennies instead of splashing out the money that would guarantee it (£10m-£15m for a Carroll or Bony, hell add another few bob on top and go for a Soldado.) Wasn't Gomis going to cost about £8m? £4m cheaper than Bony and £7m cheaper than Carroll. Both who were probably willing to come (the latter was desperate) and are probably better players. We missed out on them though and now we'll probably miss out Gomis. You might be right. Personally I don't want Carroll back and I don't know if Bony was willing to come or not. But it's possible. I still think it's possible we might do the Gomis deal TBH. I do agree with people saying we should have more targets though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted August 15, 2013 Share Posted August 15, 2013 I don't think our squad is worse than the one that finished fifth. Ba is a big miss but Cisse benefits from his leaving and we also have Remy if he doesn't go down. Our midfield and defence is better now. I don't think our squad is worse than the one that finished fifth. Ba is a big miss but Cisse benefits from his leaving and we also have Remy if he doesn't go down. Our midfield and defence is better now. I don't think our squad is worse than the one that finished fifth. Ba is a big miss but Cisse benefits from his leaving and we also have Remy if he doesn't go down. Our midfield and defence is better now. Aye, Debuchy is also a much better attacking outlet compared to Simpson also. Simpson, and Ryan Taylor (other than the few games he went mental) were both very good at keeping defensive shape though which is something we excelled in for large parts of that season, because that's what kind of manager Pardew is. You're not going to get the same rigid defensive structure with the players we have now. So although the players we have now are far more talented, as a team they look a lot worse. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trumpet Posted August 15, 2013 Share Posted August 15, 2013 Cardiff must have spent about £30 million so far. Who have they bought? i know they have submitted a lot of big offers but a lot of rejections it seems. Caulker 8M Cornelius 8M Medel 11M I think that's about it ?! I don't know much about this Cornelius fellow, but otherwise it's a rather unspectacular return for such an expenditure. Young Danish striker that had a break-through season last year. Displaced Bendtner in NT (following his ban), and could be this year's Benteke. FC Kobenhavn are bottom of Danish league now, after his sale firstly thats hardly much of an achievement considering how god awful he is and he's only played what 50 senior matchs? awful lot of cash for that and a huge amount of pressure on him to score the goals to keep them up. Medels a good player but mental, caulkers a good buy though No matter how awful Bentdner is in club level, his record for Denmark NT is pretty decent. Particularly against Portugal. But yea, Olsen is now fed up with him as well. The whole Denmark NT is in a crisis and I'm surprised Olsen still has his job after that 4-0 home loss vs. Armenia 2 months ago. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted August 15, 2013 Share Posted August 15, 2013 Simpson, and Ryan Taylor (other than the few games he went mental) were both very good at keeping defensive shape though which is something we excelled in for large parts of that season, because that's what kind of manager Pardew is. You're not going to get the same rigid defensive structure with the players we have now. So although the players we have now are far more talented, as a team they look a lot worse. Wow, quite a claim that! I agree they might need to be a bit more disciplined at times, but I can't agree that a team with Santon/Debuchy can possibly be "a lot worse" than a team with Simpson/Raylor. Both are bang average players at best. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trumpet Posted August 15, 2013 Share Posted August 15, 2013 Bent having medical at Fulham. Bent-Berbatov-Taraabt-Ruiz in one team .... immense off the ball work rate Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dinho lad Posted August 15, 2013 Share Posted August 15, 2013 Simpson, and Ryan Taylor (other than the few games he went mental) were both very good at keeping defensive shape though which is something we excelled in for large parts of that season, because that's what kind of manager Pardew is. You're not going to get the same rigid defensive structure with the players we have now. So although the players we have now are far more talented, as a team they look a lot worse. Wow, quite a claim that! I agree they might need to be a bit more disciplined at times, but I can't agree that a team with Santon/Debuchy can possibly be "a lot worse" than a team with Simpson/Raylor. Both are bang average players at best. So is this - "I don't think our squad is worse than the one that finished fifth. Ba is a big miss but Cisse benefits from his leaving and we also have Remy if he doesn't go down. Our midfield and defence is better now." I haven't seen anything form last season that proves this point. Just because the Ba and Cisse partnership didn't work it doesn't mean that Cisse (or the team) is playing any better now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted August 15, 2013 Share Posted August 15, 2013 I don't think our squad is worse than the one that finished fifth. Ba is a big miss but Cisse benefits from his leaving and we also have Remy if he doesn't go down. Our midfield and defence is better now. I don't think our squad is worse than the one that finished fifth. Ba is a big miss but Cisse benefits from his leaving and we also have Remy if he doesn't go down. Our midfield and defence is better now. I don't think our squad is worse than the one that finished fifth. Ba is a big miss but Cisse benefits from his leaving and we also have Remy if he doesn't go down. Our midfield and defence is better now. Aye, Debuchy is also a much better attacking outlet compared to Simpson also. Simpson, and Ryan Taylor (other than the few games he went mental) were both very good at keeping defensive shape though which is something we excelled in for large parts of that season, because that's what kind of manager Pardew is. You're not going to get the same rigid defensive structure with the players we have now. So although the players we have now are far more talented, as a team they look a lot worse. Agree with this. Best was such a useful outlet. Not superb in the air or anything but a handy target to hit. Then you had a pretty sturdy back 5. I think that's key for any Pardew team. A settled backline he can drill and drill and someone up top to help relieve the pressure we invite. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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