Disco Posted September 12, 2013 Share Posted September 12, 2013 Spiralling TV deal was pretty much the worst thing that could happen from the fan majority opinion of this tosspot. Revenue goes up without any necessary change to cost. Even more reason to exist rather than compete. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomas Posted September 12, 2013 Share Posted September 12, 2013 Spiralling TV deal was pretty much the worst thing that could happen from the fan majority opinion of this tosspot. Revenue goes up without any necessary change to cost. Even more reason to exist rather than compete. And as it makes up a larger and larger %age of income for a club, and as gate receipts will plateau and take up less and less, fan power is reduced year on year. If anyone thinks a protest/whatever is worthless now, I can't imagine how pointless the idea will be in 10 years time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdckelly Posted September 12, 2013 Share Posted September 12, 2013 Spiralling TV deal was pretty much the worst thing that could happen from the fan majority opinion of this tosspot. Revenue goes up without any necessary change to cost. Even more reason to exist rather than compete. Also really good argument to put up the asking price when you take into account the guaranteed income from staying up. Will also negate to a degree any potential boycotts effect on his wallet with the sheer amount of cash on offer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted September 12, 2013 Share Posted September 12, 2013 Spiralling TV deal was pretty much the worst thing that could happen from the fan majority opinion of this tosspot. Revenue goes up without any necessary change to cost. Even more reason to exist rather than compete. And as it makes up a larger and larger %age of income, and as gate receipts can only make up so much, fan power is reduced year on year. If anyone thinks a protest/whatever is worthless now, I can't imagine how pointless the idea will be in 10 years time. it's shite (and that's not just because of Ashley/NUFC). The PL has literally become overwhelmingly big in comparison to nearly everything else without "the product" improving. IMO it's got worse and fans likewise have become passive because they're blinding by the glitz, glamour and alleged money on offer from the PL. This and the CL have unflattened European football to such a degree it's sad as fuck. Bring back the early 90s. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
merlin Posted September 13, 2013 Share Posted September 13, 2013 What Lee and Shearer are really saying - if you read between the lines - is that the club is finished as a major player in English football...and European football at that. Both of them imply by their comments, that Ashley is there for many years and that people are getting disillusioned...Andy Cole also hinted at that with his comments. They all cannot see the club ever returning to what it was in the 90s and it is hard to disagree with that. If Ashley remains at the club for another 3 years it will be very hard for anyone to improve it once he goes because there will be too much of a gap between NUFC and probably 10 other clubs ; football does not stand still and we are getting left further behind all the time - supporters are becoming more and more fed up which will eventually mean falling interest so I agree with what the former stars have said. Lee's point about players not wanting to join the club is especially important because the team will never improve if better players are not interested....not that Ashley is interested in competing for top players..... People are just going to have to be satisfied with being a non-entity as far as the PL is concerned if the status quo remains. If attendances start to fall in a meaningful way - which they will if there are further humiliations by the owner and management - the club will head down the same road as Sheffield Wednesday, once a major force , but now unlikely ever to regain their former status. All empires eventually fall and in the footballing sense, NUFC is just as subject to that reality as any country was or is......the club has been very fortunate to retain the loyalty and forbearance of so many fans for so long. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheHoob Posted September 13, 2013 Share Posted September 13, 2013 As much as I'd like to think comments from players like those would add pressure to Ashley I really don't think he gives a single fuck. You could fly the pope to the moon to unveil an Ashley out banner visible from earth and he still wouldn't give a flying fart. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Colossus Posted September 13, 2013 Share Posted September 13, 2013 As much as I'd like to think comments from players like those would add pressure to Ashley I really don't think he gives a single f***. You could fly the pope to the moon to unveil an Ashley out banner visible from earth and he still wouldn't give a flying fart. How much do you estimate this would cost? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willow Posted September 13, 2013 Share Posted September 13, 2013 serz if posted .com Currently doing the rounds, one toon fan's slightly inelegant solution to the dilemma of wanting a current toon shirt but not wanting to promote payday loans. This is most definitely not available in the shops.... http://i.imgur.com/sz042pQ.png Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest firetotheworks Posted September 13, 2013 Share Posted September 13, 2013 Subtle. I like how it just gets immediately to the point at hand. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted September 13, 2013 Share Posted September 13, 2013 Why star the C? I mean fair enough but seems kinda pointless It's an asterisk, there are terms and conditions on the back of the shirt. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted September 13, 2013 Share Posted September 13, 2013 Quite good that, ironically it still reminds you of Wonga. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benwell Lad Posted September 13, 2013 Share Posted September 13, 2013 I don't know if this link has been posted. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2419156/Alan-Shearer-Andy-Cole-Rob-Lee-slam-Newcastle-owner-Mike-Ashley-Joe-Kinnear.html Look what they've done to our club! Ashley and Kinnear taken to task by trio of former Toon greats By Sam Cunningham PUBLISHED: 22:40, 12 September 2013 | UPDATED: 22:40, 12 September 2013 Newcastle United legends have slammed club owner Mike Ashley and his sidekick Joe Kinnear for the way the club is being run into the ground. Fans turned out in droves for Steve Harper’s testimonial on Wednesday — the sell-out 50,793 crowd at St James’ Park was their highest this season. There were 4,000 more than at their previous home game against Fulham, which said as much about their love of former goalkeeper Harper as it did their hatred for Ashley and Kinnear. Gone are the days of competing for the Premier League title and glorious Champions League nights; of record transfer fees and regular England internationals turning out every weekend in front of an adoring Geordie faithful. After they had pulled on the black-and-white strip once again this week to play for a Newcastle Legends side, former greats Alan Shearer, Rob Lee and Andy Cole, stars of that golden spell in the 1990s, spoke out about the current plight of the club. They fear no-one wants to play for Newcastle any more, claim the club are going backwards and believe Ashley should step aside. Alan Shearer The Premier League’s all-time top goalscorer joined Newcastle in July 1996 for a world record £15m and spent the rest of his career at St James’ Park. He scored 206 goals in 404 games and until recently had a bar at the ground named after him. Even his time as manager, when Newcastle were relegated in 2009, did nothing to tarnish his legendary status among fans. Andy Cole Though only at the club for a relatively brief period, Cole made his mark. He joined from Bristol City in February 1993 and immediately helped Newcastle win promotion to the Premier League. In his next season he scored an incredible 41 goals in all competitions — which remains a club record for most goals in a season — before joining Manchester United. Lee said: ‘Kevin Keegan sold this club to me when I joined. If Joe Kinnear was speaking to you, are you going to join this football club? I’m not so sure. Players don’t want to join Newcastle any more. ‘It’s not going to be a short-term fix. It’s not a case of the club only needing a couple of players and then they’ll be very good. It’s more long-term than that. There aren’t the kids coming through the academy any more. Since I left we’ve had Steven Taylor, Andy Carroll and Shola Ameobi.’ The club broke the bank and the world-record transfer fee when they signed Shearer for £15million from Blackburn Rovers in 1996. Does he think those days are over? ‘I would say so and so would the 52,000 fans as well and a lot more,’ the former England striker said. They played such good attacking football under Keegan they were labelled ‘The Entertainers’. In successive seasons from 1995 to 1997 they finished runners-up in the Premier League. Had they not thrown away a 12-point lead over Manchester United in 1996, they would have won the title. This season it took them until the 86th minute of their third league game to score a Premier League goal. Rob Lee Joined Newcastle in 1992 from Charlton and spent the next 10 years playing in the North East. In that time he helped Newcastle win promotion to the Premier League and was also a key member of Kevin Keegan’s side who challenged for the title. During his time at the club, Lee played more than 380 games. . Why did more people turn up to watch an exhibition match than a top-flight game? ‘It’s probably a break from the monotony of watching the team play,’ Lee said. ‘Against West Ham it was 0-0 . . . I couldn’t remember playing in a 0-0.’ Shearer added: ‘That 1996 team which just missed out on the title may be the best any Newcastle fan sees in his lifetime. But that is why they turned out on Wednesday night because that’s an era they loved and enjoyed. They enjoyed being entertained and that is just what that team did. It could be a long time before that happens again.’ Since Ashley bought the club in May 2007 they have had six managers, one executive director of football, two directors of football, an attempted name change of St James’ Park and a new sponsorship deal with payday lenders Wonga. They have been relegated to the Championship and finished in the top 10 only once. ‘They seem to get themselves on the right track and all of a sudden someone here derails them,’ said Cole. ‘The punters were fairly happy a couple of years ago, the team were moving in the right direction and then decisions are made at the top which throw a spanner in the works. ‘It’s almost as if somebody running the club wants to upset the punters and I find that very strange. If you keep the punters on board here, it’s half the battle. If you upset them, they’re going to eventually vote with their feet because there is only so much they can take.’ Should Ashley leave? ‘In an ideal world, he should,’ Lee said. ‘But it isn’t an ideal world.’ Ashley and Kinnear have done themselves no favours by their dismal performance in the transfer window. When he was appointed director of football in June, Kinnear boasted about his endless list of contacts, about having Sir Alex Ferguson and Arsene Wenger on speed dial and that he was going to be the best director of football the world had seen. New role: Joe Kinnear was appointed as director of football, but Rob Lee is not convinced he can attract the big names to St James' Park New role: Joe Kinnear was appointed as director of football, but Rob Lee is not convinced he can attract the big names to St James' Park When the transfer window shut they had signed a player on loan who turned them down in January — striker Loic Remy — and a little- known teenager on a free. Yesterday manager Alan Pardew, speaking at a press conference about the lack of transfer activity, said: ‘I hope it doesn’t affect us. When the fans see how we play over the next eight games, if we keep everybody fit, I think they will feel a lot better than they did on deadline day. ‘Over the past 10 or so years since I’ve become a manager, I’ve said the first 10 games really and truly give you a clear indication about where you are at.’ The fans are going to take a lot of convincing. They have already accused Ashley and Kinnear of turning Newcastle into the laughing stock of football. Getting relegated would be no laughing matter. Did Shearer actually say something else which is not quoted ? Nothing in his quotation sounds remotely like what the headline claims. Perhaps they just put his name to the headline to give it extra clout ?? I wonder if this means that the couple of dozen other ex-players present preferred to keep their own counsel, or can we look forward to more of these revealing exclusives ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallace Posted September 13, 2013 Share Posted September 13, 2013 I am curious to know if Ashley does ever sell the club what he will actually be selling. Everyone says he will want to make a profit but will the club in its current format be worth as much as when he bought it (excluding TV contract) - even if he did overpay. Didn't the club used to own a lot of land and property around the city? Does the club still own that, is it held under another name or has it been sold. Virtually everything is outsourced - potentially tied up in long deals. We used to have an award-winning education centre with loads of high tech equipment that a lot of other clubs supposedly tried to replicate - I guess that is has long since gone. It might be hearsay but I've been told there are many parts of the ground that are no longer used. I obviously have no clue about this but I have thought for some time that NUFC as a whole is a lesser entity than when he purchased it. Maybe this is offset by the ruthless costcutting and the loans that have been paid off but I do wonder if a potential buyer would be getting a shadow of what the club was previously. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted September 13, 2013 Share Posted September 13, 2013 He asked for £200 million the last time, didn't he? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted September 13, 2013 Share Posted September 13, 2013 I am curious to know if Ashley does ever sell the club what he will actually be selling. Everyone says he will want to make a profit but will the club in its current format be worth as much as when he bought it (excluding TV contract) - even if he did overpay. Didn't the club used to own a lot of land and property around the city? Does the club still own that, is it held under another name or has it been sold. Virtually everything is outsourced - potentially tied up in long deals. We used to have an award-winning education centre with loads of high tech equipment that a lot of other clubs supposedly tried to replicate - I guess that is has long since gone. It might be hearsay but I've been told there are many parts of the ground that are no longer used. I obviously have no clue about this but I have thought for some time that NUFC as a whole is a lesser entity than when he purchased it. Maybe this is offset by the ruthless costcutting and the loans that have been paid off but I do wonder if a potential buyer would be getting a shadow of what the club was previously. Somebody is building on some land I thought the club owned opposite the Milburn stand and it has a big Shepherd sign up which seems strange. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Fumaca Posted September 13, 2013 Share Posted September 13, 2013 serz if posted .com Currently doing the rounds, one toon fan's slightly inelegant solution to the dilemma of wanting a current toon shirt but not wanting to promote payday loans. This is most definitely not available in the shops.... http://i.imgur.com/sz042pQ.png You beat me to it! Funny this - they wouldn't be able to make them quick enough to meet demand Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted September 13, 2013 Share Posted September 13, 2013 He asked for £200 million the last time, didn't he? when he fucked off to dubai with dekka were there not rumours he was asking for 400m that time... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted September 13, 2013 Share Posted September 13, 2013 I don't think anybody knows for certain how much Ashley would require to sell up. It's all guess work. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted September 13, 2013 Share Posted September 13, 2013 I don't think anybody knows for certain how much Ashley would require to sell up. It's all guess work. no shit Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted September 13, 2013 Share Posted September 13, 2013 I don't think anybody knows for certain how much Ashley would require to sell up. It's all guess work. no s*** Just pointing it out while you seem to be bandying random numbers around.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted September 13, 2013 Share Posted September 13, 2013 yeah, but he's a MASSIVE CUNT so it's obvious he'll not sell for a fair price 500m no less iyam Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted September 13, 2013 Share Posted September 13, 2013 yeah, but he's a MASSIVE c*** so it's obvious he'll not sell for a fair price 500m no less iyam I can't see him selling for less or equal what it cost him to buy the club either. Using profits to pay off the loan, if it ever gets to that, will only serve to hike any asking price too. I'm resigned to the fact he will be here for a while yet, but not willing to accept it, or to stop complaining over his constant mismanagement. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted September 13, 2013 Share Posted September 13, 2013 i was doing a parody there like, seems to me it'd be better for everyone if he just took what he spent and loans the club and fucked off like...250m or whatever, shake hands and move onto the next shite owner funny, i always flash back to NE5 when we think about how shit ashley was and how he kept saying we'd get a shit owner ashley has managed the finances much better than FS ever did, but he's also managed to tear the heart and soul out along the way Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted September 13, 2013 Share Posted September 13, 2013 ashley has managed the finances much better than FS ever did, but he's also managed to tear the heart and soul out along the way He really hasn't, not by any measure. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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