BlueStar Posted December 5, 2011 Share Posted December 5, 2011 Nowt like having freedom of speech... No-one is restricting your freedom of speech. Freedom of speech doesn't mean (as well as there not being restrictions placed on you by the government as to what you can or can't publish or say) that private citizens are obligated to pay for you to have a platform for your views or comments or must allow you to air them on their property - be that in their house, in their pub or on their message board. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heron Posted December 5, 2011 Share Posted December 5, 2011 Nowt like having freedom of speech... No-one is restricting your freedom of speech. Freedom of speech doesn't mean that (as well as there not being restrictions placed on you by the government as to what you can or can't publish) that private citizens are obligated to pay for you to have a platform for your views or comments or must allow you to air them on their property, be it in their house, in their pub or on their message board. Fair point. I still stand by the fact that had these been a disliked person nowt would have been said. It's s**** crack, it's not like I personally offended any one person on here. There was no offensive language or anything. Nevertheless, I kind of said it for a rise, and I got one, so y'kna... For me, I struggle to be as sympathetic when someone takes their own life. It's not because I'm ignorant like some daft shite mentioned either. It's because there are many people out there who don't get the opportunity to choose life or death, and people who do have that choice shouldn't abuse it, in my opinion of course. Regardless of that, I still feel sad about Speedo. He was a nice bloke and a quality footballer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted December 5, 2011 Share Posted December 5, 2011 Nowt like having freedom of speech... No-one is restricting your freedom of speech. Freedom of speech doesn't mean that (as well as there not being restrictions placed on you by the government as to what you can or can't publish) that private citizens are obligated to pay for you to have a platform for your views or comments or must allow you to air them on their property, be it in their house, in their pub or on their message board. Fair point. I still stand by the fact that had these been a disliked person nowt would have been said. It's s**** crack, it's not like I personally offended any one person on here. There was no offensive language or anything. Nevertheless, I kind of said it for a rise, and I got one, so y'kna... For me, I struggle to be as sympathetic when someone takes their own life. It's not because I'm ignorant like some daft s**** mentioned either. It's because there are many people out there who don't get the opportunity to choose life or death, and people who do have that choice shouldn't abuse it, in my opinion of course. Regardless of that, I still feel sad about Speedo. He was a nice bloke and a quality footballer. You don't know who reads your posts on here. You don't know that his kids, parents or wife haven't been looking around the internet to see what people are saying. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted December 5, 2011 Share Posted December 5, 2011 That happened to you too? Probably JH or Andy. Not that it's appropriate to get into such a discussion in this thread, but I didn't do either. But cheers for hurling the accusation - nice to get mentioned Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heron Posted December 5, 2011 Share Posted December 5, 2011 Nowt like having freedom of speech... No-one is restricting your freedom of speech. Freedom of speech doesn't mean that (as well as there not being restrictions placed on you by the government as to what you can or can't publish) that private citizens are obligated to pay for you to have a platform for your views or comments or must allow you to air them on their property, be it in their house, in their pub or on their message board. Fair point. I still stand by the fact that had these been a disliked person nowt would have been said. It's s**** crack, it's not like I personally offended any one person on here. There was no offensive language or anything. Nevertheless, I kind of said it for a rise, and I got one, so y'kna... For me, I struggle to be as sympathetic when someone takes their own life. It's not because I'm ignorant like some daft s**** mentioned either. It's because there are many people out there who don't get the opportunity to choose life or death, and people who do have that choice shouldn't abuse it, in my opinion of course. Regardless of that, I still feel sad about Speedo. He was a nice bloke and a quality footballer. You don't know who reads your posts on here. You don't know that his kids, parents or wife haven't been looking around the internet to see what people are saying. It should have been moved or deleted and I should have been advised why. I might get offended when people call me a spacker or similarly a Mackem, but it wouldn't stop people calling me one, and I certainly wouldn't want them 'warned' for it... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heron Posted December 5, 2011 Share Posted December 5, 2011 Anyhoo...Is Swansea a 3pm kick off? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted December 5, 2011 Share Posted December 5, 2011 Stop ruining the thread or you will be muted again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted December 5, 2011 Share Posted December 5, 2011 It should have been moved or deleted and I should have been advised why. I might get offended when people call me a sp***** or similarly a Mackem, but it wouldn't stop people calling me one, and I certainly wouldn't want them 'warned' for it... It shouldn't have needed to be moved or deleted, just think before you post. I doubt for one minute that you were trying to offend anybody but that's not the point as people reading your post may not take it the way that you meant it to be taken. You shouldn't take it personally, I'm sure that it was the content of your post that was the problem, not you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BooBoo Posted December 5, 2011 Share Posted December 5, 2011 I think there's often a lot of hyper sensitivity at times like this. People are overly scrutinising the Speed tributes for the slightest thing. Bendtner has been pulled for smirking at the ref dropping his whistle and there's been comments about Enrique looking bored during the tribute at Chelsea v Liverpool. It's all a bit silly really. The football community's to Gary has been very good and worthy of credit rather than searching for the merest non conformity. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted December 5, 2011 Share Posted December 5, 2011 Does this count? @alex_crook Alex Goring Crook Disgusted one of Gary Speed's ex teammates asked for money to contribute to tribute TV feature today. High profile too 38 minutes ago Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cp40 Posted December 5, 2011 Share Posted December 5, 2011 Does this count? @alex_crook Alex Goring Crook Disgusted one of Gary Speed's ex teammates asked for money to contribute to tribute TV feature today. High profile too 38 minutes ago greedy bastards Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fugazi Posted December 5, 2011 Share Posted December 5, 2011 Does this count? @alex_crook Alex Goring Crook Disgusted one of Gary Speed's ex teammates asked for money to contribute to tribute TV feature today. High profile too 38 minutes ago Someone tweeted him, asking if he was going to name and shame, his reply: Alex Goring Crook @alex_crook Alex Goring Crook @ACarrollSmith very tempted might yet do it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted December 5, 2011 Share Posted December 5, 2011 Your posts always stay unread for me no matter how often I read them. Same! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted December 5, 2011 Share Posted December 5, 2011 Your posts always stay unread for me no matter how often I read them. Same! Heh, I deleted that because I thought it must have been just me. Used to be Bimpy. Must be a database quirk. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fugazi Posted December 5, 2011 Share Posted December 5, 2011 Happens to me as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted December 5, 2011 Share Posted December 5, 2011 Aye, I'm pretty sure bimpy was the one it was happening to me with previously n'all. Weird. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted December 5, 2011 Share Posted December 5, 2011 Huh whats this then Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heron Posted December 5, 2011 Share Posted December 5, 2011 Stop ruining the thread or you will be muted again. Cute. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted December 5, 2011 Share Posted December 5, 2011 That happened to you too? Probably JH or Andy. Not that it's appropriate to get into such a discussion in this thread, but I didn't do either. But cheers for hurling the accusation - nice to get mentioned Speculation, not an accusation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superior Acuña Posted December 7, 2011 Share Posted December 7, 2011 I only found about this on sunday an e-mail listing news i'd missed while I'd been on fieldwork. Find it very upsetting, just such a shock. Days later i can't stop flicking through photos and remembering goals. The one he pulled back at Anfield before shearer equalised, against spurs in 00 just after i'd moved to new seat and he celebrated right in front of us. The time i was on a course at Darsley Park and he was jogging with other injured players and i had to collect the ball from near him - stood in awe. Seeing him go off at Anfield after 1-1 thinking it was probably his last game, and then seeing him for Bolton and it being clear he had more in him. It's so much different with players than other 'celebrity' deaths. I didn't know him but I saw this guy up close week-in/out for 6 years. The sort of comments made about him seem those that are said about any dead person - great professional, lovely guy etc. but they all seemed really especially true about Speed. Was hoping he'd do well at Wales and be Newcastle manager one day. Looking at pic of him and Bobby. I'm only 22 and can't believe i''ve already seen two of a core of one of our great teams already gone. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BottledDog Posted December 7, 2011 Share Posted December 7, 2011 I know their careers at the club and beyond were like chalk and cheese which makes Speeds seem all the more shocking a tragedy, but I'm surprised I haven't seen any mention of Davies in the papers or anywhere. Considering the Swansea game in particular is the focus of our tributes, does anyone else feel a there should maybe also be a some kind of a nod to him as well? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superior Acuña Posted December 7, 2011 Share Posted December 7, 2011 I know their careers at the club and beyond were like chalk and cheese which makes Speeds seem all the more shocking a tragedy, but I'm surprised I haven't seen any mention of Davies in the papers or anywhere. Considering the Swansea game in particular is the focus of our tributes, does anyone else feel a there should maybe also be a some kind of a nod to him as well? Who Davies? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanji Posted December 7, 2011 Share Posted December 7, 2011 I know their careers at the club and beyond were like chalk and cheese which makes Speeds seem all the more shocking a tragedy, but I'm surprised I haven't seen any mention of Davies in the papers or anywhere. Considering the Swansea game in particular is the focus of our tributes, does anyone else feel a there should maybe also be a some kind of a nod to him as well? Who Davies? Simon Davies? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted December 7, 2011 Share Posted December 7, 2011 I know their careers at the club and beyond were like chalk and cheese which makes Speeds seem all the more shocking a tragedy, but I'm surprised I haven't seen any mention of Davies in the papers or anywhere. Considering the Swansea game in particular is the focus of our tributes, does anyone else feel a there should maybe also be a some kind of a nod to him as well? Who Davies? Alan, he played for us in the mid eighties and took his own life aged 30. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BottledDog Posted December 7, 2011 Share Posted December 7, 2011 I know their careers at the club and beyond were like chalk and cheese which makes Speeds seem all the more shocking a tragedy, but I'm surprised I haven't seen any mention of Davies in the papers or anywhere. Considering the Swansea game in particular is the focus of our tributes, does anyone else feel a there should maybe also be a some kind of a nod to him as well? Who Davies? Alan, he played for us in the mid eighties and took his own life aged 30. Yes, sorry SG and Kanji86. Alan Davies. Had a spell with us before transferring to Swansea. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Davies_(footballer) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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