Darth Crooks Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 Cue going to Liverpool and tear up fucking trees. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 On 17/02/2014 at 11:06, loki679 said: Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote You think there's no intention to replace Cabaye, just because nobody came in in the last 3 or 4 days of the January window? Uh oh. I think the chances are they probably knew they wouldn't be replacing him in January. They probably still popped a couple of daft offers in hope for a bargain but when other clubs stood firm. think they accepted they will wait till the summer for a better price. No doubt in my mind we'll bring a replacement in the summer though. There isn't Ashley has spent around 15-20 million each year on transfers and he spent nothing in Jan so can see him spending around that in the summer, possibly even a bit more if a fair few players leave. I think we might see a lot of change over the summer, that's more of a guess though No, Ashley has made about 8.5m a season on transfers. He's spent f*** all. I never said anything in regards to profit made or lost. Simply made the point he's spent roughly that amount of money on incoming transfers each year. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
loki679 Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 On 17/02/2014 at 12:01, BrettNUFC said: Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote You think there's no intention to replace Cabaye, just because nobody came in in the last 3 or 4 days of the January window? Uh oh. I think the chances are they probably knew they wouldn't be replacing him in January. They probably still popped a couple of daft offers in hope for a bargain but when other clubs stood firm. think they accepted they will wait till the summer for a better price. No doubt in my mind we'll bring a replacement in the summer though. There isn't Ashley has spent around 15-20 million each year on transfers and he spent nothing in Jan so can see him spending around that in the summer, possibly even a bit more if a fair few players leave. I think we might see a lot of change over the summer, that's more of a guess though No, Ashley has made about 8.5m a season on transfers. He's spent f*** all. I never said anything in regards to profit made or lost. Simply made the point he's spent roughly that amount of money on incoming transfers each year. 2 years out of the last 5. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 On 17/02/2014 at 12:15, loki679 said: Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote You think there's no intention to replace Cabaye, just because nobody came in in the last 3 or 4 days of the January window? Uh oh. I think the chances are they probably knew they wouldn't be replacing him in January. They probably still popped a couple of daft offers in hope for a bargain but when other clubs stood firm. think they accepted they will wait till the summer for a better price. No doubt in my mind we'll bring a replacement in the summer though. There isn't Ashley has spent around 15-20 million each year on transfers and he spent nothing in Jan so can see him spending around that in the summer, possibly even a bit more if a fair few players leave. I think we might see a lot of change over the summer, that's more of a guess though No, Ashley has made about 8.5m a season on transfers. He's spent f*** all. I never said anything in regards to profit made or lost. Simply made the point he's spent roughly that amount of money on incoming transfers each year. 2 years out of the last 5. Quote Spent £9m in 2010 £19m in 2011 £18m in 2012 £16m in 2013 There's no reason we wont spend at least similar in 2014. Not sure about the "few", but it'll depend what bargains can be had. Basically what HP says here. I agree. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tollemache Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 For me the question is not whether we'll buy, it's whether the replacements for YC and HBA can possibly be at their level for anything like the same money. We got pretty lucky with those two I think. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 On 17/02/2014 at 12:32, trollemache said: For me the question is not whether we'll buy, it's whether the replacements for YC and HBA can possibly be at their level for anything like the same money. We got pretty lucky with those two I think. Well when a club sells their best player, they rarely get the same level of player. Safe to assume the replacement won't be as good but we have to try and build the team back up to the standard it was with Cabaye. When you lose your best player, it's never a quick fix, takes time to rebuild. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 The player(s) who come in to replace Cabaye could do with a 4-month spell to settle in really, where they're not under pressure of relegation, etc. Shame we never luck out and find ourselves in that kind of scenario. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tollemache Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 Would've been nice. Certainly you'd hope we did our business relatively quickly in the summer so we have a nice full preseason. Obviously doesn't always work out that way though, through nobody's fault in particular Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
loki679 Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 On 17/02/2014 at 12:22, BrettNUFC said: Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote You think there's no intention to replace Cabaye, just because nobody came in in the last 3 or 4 days of the January window? Uh oh. I think the chances are they probably knew they wouldn't be replacing him in January. They probably still popped a couple of daft offers in hope for a bargain but when other clubs stood firm. think they accepted they will wait till the summer for a better price. No doubt in my mind we'll bring a replacement in the summer though. There isn't Ashley has spent around 15-20 million each year on transfers and he spent nothing in Jan so can see him spending around that in the summer, possibly even a bit more if a fair few players leave. I think we might see a lot of change over the summer, that's more of a guess though No, Ashley has made about 8.5m a season on transfers. He's spent f*** all. I never said anything in regards to profit made or lost. Simply made the point he's spent roughly that amount of money on incoming transfers each year. 2 years out of the last 5. Quote Spent £9m in 2010 £19m in 2011 £18m in 2012 £16m in 2013 There's no reason we wont spend at least similar in 2014. Not sure about the "few", but it'll depend what bargains can be had. Basically what HP says here. I agree. Well who am I to argue with HF. I was just going by the widely respected transferleague.co.uk. I'll take your word for it Brett, you seem like a sound and not at all unhinged young man. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
loki679 Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 On 17/02/2014 at 13:08, trollemache said: Would've been nice. Certainly you'd hope we did our business relatively quickly in the summer so we have a nice full preseason. Obviously doesn't always work out that way though, through nobody's fault in particular Yeah, if we'd had some warning he was going to leave like a deal agreed for him to go in January or a big influx of cash like about £20m for one of our best players who knows what might have happened? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wormy Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 On 17/02/2014 at 13:09, loki679 said: Quote Would've been nice. Certainly you'd hope we did our business relatively quickly in the summer so we have a nice full preseason. Obviously doesn't always work out that way though, through nobody's fault in particular Yeah, if we'd had some warning he was going to leave like a deal agreed for him to go in January or a big influx of cash like about £20m for one of our best players who knows what might have happened? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 On 17/02/2014 at 12:57, BrettNUFC said: Quote For me the question is not whether we'll buy, it's whether the replacements for YC and HBA can possibly be at their level for anything like the same money. We got pretty lucky with those two I think. Well when a club sells their best player, they rarely get the same level of player. Safe to assume the replacement won't be as good but we have to try and build the team back up to the standard it was with Cabaye. When you lose your best player, it's never a quick fix, takes time to rebuild. Yes, rinse and repeat.. They'll buy a replacement and potentially buy some more players but they will flog them on again. The team/club will not move foward as they are not arsed about building a team. Its about making profit from players sales. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 I've seen some examples of clubs in recent years not letting their top players go unless they know they'll have a replacement tied up that window. Shame our hands are often tied and we can't generally do that though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andymc1 Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 On 17/02/2014 at 13:12, Northerngimp said: Quote Quote For me the question is not whether we'll buy, it's whether the replacements for YC and HBA can possibly be at their level for anything like the same money. We got pretty lucky with those two I think. Well when a club sells their best player, they rarely get the same level of player. Safe to assume the replacement won't be as good but we have to try and build the team back up to the standard it was with Cabaye. When you lose your best player, it's never a quick fix, takes time to rebuild. Yes, rinse and repeat.. They'll buy a replacement and potentially buy some more players but they will flog them on again. The team/club will not move foward as they are not arsed about building a team. Its about making profit from players sales. But didn't you know, if it wasn't done this way we'd be like Portsmouth. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 On 17/02/2014 at 13:16, Andymc1 said: Quote Quote Quote For me the question is not whether we'll buy, it's whether the replacements for YC and HBA can possibly be at their level for anything like the same money. We got pretty lucky with those two I think. Well when a club sells their best player, they rarely get the same level of player. Safe to assume the replacement won't be as good but we have to try and build the team back up to the standard it was with Cabaye. When you lose your best player, it's never a quick fix, takes time to rebuild. Yes, rinse and repeat.. They'll buy a replacement and potentially buy some more players but they will flog them on again. The team/club will not move foward as they are not arsed about building a team. Its about making profit from players sales. But didn't you know, if it wasn't done this way we'd be like Portsmouth. Cant build or maintain a team with a budget, otherwise Leeds. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_R Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 Ridiculous to suggest we had 3 or 4 days to replace Cabaye. We had 6 sodding months to replace him and failed. Abjectly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 It's the owner who is the biggest problem in all this and why we can't move forward as a club. I'd love to see Jose come in and try and work with the cunt. He can sit there and say he wouldn't have allowed Cabaye to leave without a replacement but his club owner will constantly feed him money so he can deal with it. Managers like him will just keep walking away to save their dignity under an owner like Ashley. Pards has no dignity and is happy to keep getting shafted like this, he knew it would be the case before he accepted the job so he can hardly moan about it now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
olliemort Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 The strange thing is didn't Keegan and sir bob say Ashley wasn't at fault? Maybe I am wrong don't know how that would be the case since he owns us I personally think hes trying to make as much money before he sells us which I reckon could be soon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 On 17/02/2014 at 13:28, BrettNUFC said: It's the owner who is the biggest problem in all this and why we can't move forward as a club. I'd love to see Jose come in and try and work with the c***. He can sit there and say he wouldn't have allowed Cabaye to leave without a replacement but his club owner will constantly feed him money so he can deal with it. Managers like him will just keep walking away to save their dignity under an owner like Ashley. Pards has no dignity and is happy to keep getting shafted like this, he knew it would be the case before he accepted the job so he can hardly moan about it now. Jose wouldn't want to be a mouth piece. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 Would have just been easier over the last 2 days if the nutcases just said they back Pardew tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 On 17/02/2014 at 13:28, BrettNUFC said: It's the owner who is the biggest problem in all this and why we can't move forward as a club. I'd love to see Jose come in and try and work with the cunt. He can sit there and say he wouldn't have allowed Cabaye to leave without a replacement but his club owner will constantly feed him money so he can deal with it. Managers like him will just keep walking away to save their dignity under an owner like Ashley. Pards has no dignity and is happy to keep getting shafted like this, he knew it would be the case before he accepted the job so he can hardly moan about it now. I like HBA but I don't think he'd last a week with Mourinho. But then Jose wouldn't be at a club where his hands are tied in the first place. He likes to win things. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BottledDog Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 On 17/02/2014 at 13:34, olliemort said: The strange thing is didn't Keegan and sir bob say Ashley wasn't at fault? Maybe I am wrong don't know how that would be the case since he owns us I personally think hes trying to make as much money before he sells us which I reckon could be soon Rob Lee last week tried to get to the bottom of Ashley, but like most, failed to get much of a grip on his intentions. http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/news-and-comment/former-newcastle-captain-rob-lee-stresses-sometimes-its-better-the-devil-you-know-after-criticism-of-owner-mike-ashley-9128960.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 On 17/02/2014 at 14:00, TRon said: Quote It's the owner who is the biggest problem in all this and why we can't move forward as a club. I'd love to see Jose come in and try and work with the c***. He can sit there and say he wouldn't have allowed Cabaye to leave without a replacement but his club owner will constantly feed him money so he can deal with it. Managers like him will just keep walking away to save their dignity under an owner like Ashley. Pards has no dignity and is happy to keep getting shafted like this, he knew it would be the case before he accepted the job so he can hardly moan about it now. I like HBA but I don't think he'd last a week with Mourinho. But then Jose wouldn't be at a club where his hands are tied in the first place. He likes to win things. Only thing which would change imo with a better manager, would be the standard of football. With the right manager our best players will play, the team will play better football but we will still be stuck on the same level. No manager under Ashley could get us a mainstay position in the top 6. Various managers could have a good season and capitalize on other clubs failings now and then but we will never stamp down our position in the top 6 with Ashley in charge. I wish we would get an upgrade just so we are more pleasing on the eye more consistently but at the end of the day, we will still just be around 7th/8th along with Everton until Ashley fucks off and an owner arrives with ambitions to achieve things with this football and doesn’t solely look at profit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Bailey Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 On 17/02/2014 at 14:00, bimpy474 said: Would have just been easier over the last 2 days if the nutcases just said they back Pardew tbh. Amazed by the levels of subservience by some. The fact that there are still people making excuses for both pardew and the regime beggars belief in all honesty. Either gullible to the extreme or masochistic tendenacies to the max is the only rationale explanation for some of the cringeworthy 'support' offered by some over the last page or two... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 On 17/02/2014 at 14:15, George Bailey said: Quote Would have just been easier over the last 2 days if the nutcases just said they back Pardew tbh. Amazed by the levels of subservience by some. The fact that there are still people making excuses for both pardew and the regime beggars belief in all honesty. Either gullible to the extreme or masochistic tendenacies to the max is the only rationale explanation for some of the cringeworthy 'support' offered by some over the last page or two... Part of me accepts what they're trying to get across but what they're saying is flying against everything we know, have seen and continue to see from Ashley. And as for Pardew, well after 3 years they continue to makes excuses for the absolute crap football we've seen lately and for most of his tenure. And they are making excuses no matter how they try to disguise it. I just dont get how they say after so long with Pardew still making the same mistakes and poor decisions, still churning out rancid football, that he might turn it around. They seem to believe a change of owner and a with few better players that he'll suddenly do better, he wont and will eventually takes us downward. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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