alexf Posted July 15, 2013 Share Posted July 15, 2013 We weren't a bad team last year either but the main reason we struggled is still here. The manager. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wor jackie Posted July 15, 2013 Share Posted July 15, 2013 Can't be bothered going over old ground but it is the same manager that achieved 5th place. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted July 15, 2013 Share Posted July 15, 2013 I personally would be delighted to see Remy and Bent come in. Bent guarantees 10+ goals if played regularly and I'd imagine Remy could do similar and can be deployed with more versatility. Sinclair would be an icing on the cake but with a fit Ben Arfa, Marveaux, Jonas and Gouffran that's the wide areas sorted. The majority of us are deflated but when you only think negatively, the whole situation feels worse than it actually is. We aren't that bad a team and a couple signings can elevate us into top 8 easily. Easily. Definitely the case, with a couple of signings we are capable of a lot. Pardew is still here, true. But he's not completely incapable of managing us given the right circumstances. He takes the largest share of blame for last season, but also some credit for the one before. The situation would be better if we had a manager we all believed in, but even with Pardew I'm confident we will do a lot better than last season. I don't rate him highly in general, but he's a professional manager and not a complete waste of skin as some people would have you believe. I'm sure he is motivated to put things right - the question is if he can execute. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Phil K Posted July 15, 2013 Share Posted July 15, 2013 We weren't a bad team last year either but the main reason we struggled is still here. The manager. Absolutely. Obvious to all apart from Ashley and Pardew himself Can't be bothered going over old ground but it is the same manager that achieved 5th place. Hardly the first time a p*ss poor manager got a high placing one year and was disastrous from thereon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wor jackie Posted July 15, 2013 Share Posted July 15, 2013 A lot of people remain unconvinced about Pards and I think that's certainly acceptable due to the nature of our relative imposion within the space of 12 months. However, you look to Everton in the Early 00's and they didn't half yo-yo until after about 4 seasons they remained consistently within the top 8 until now. I am a supporter of Pardew, I think it's rare to find such honesty from a manager who is open to criticism and willing to share that in open forums with supporters. He should be allowed another crack after his 2011-12 exploits, it's the blokes upstairs who will surely not afford him that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted July 15, 2013 Share Posted July 15, 2013 Nothing on the horizon still? Great ... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
healthyaddiction Posted July 15, 2013 Share Posted July 15, 2013 I personally would be delighted to see Remy and Bent come in. Bent guarantees 10+ goals if played regularly and I'd imagine Remy could do similar and can be deployed with more versatility. Sinclair would be an icing on the cake but with a fit Ben Arfa, Marveaux, Jonas and Gouffran that's the wide areas sorted. The majority of us are deflated but when you only think negatively, the whole situation feels worse than it actually is. We aren't that bad a team and a couple signings can elevate us into top 8 easily. Easily. I disagree that with Ben Arfa, Marveux, Gouffran and Jonas the wide areas are sorted. I think that Gouffran is decent in the wide forward role but I wouldn't really want him first choice there. I also am not confident about Marveux out wide. Lastly, Jonas has no place in an attacking role in our team at all. Additionally, if we are trying to only sign a couple of players (especially with the excuse of signing quality not quantity) i'd want us to be signing players that are better than those in our starting 11. I personally don't think Bent offers that. I think Remy does and I would be glad to sign him. I also think that signing Bent would help. But I certainly won't be delighted with just those two signings and think we'll regret it across the season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Phil K Posted July 15, 2013 Share Posted July 15, 2013 Nothing on the horizon still? Great ... I doubt many of us have the remotest faith in Kinnear and feel he couldn't find his arse with both hands let alone a good signing Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted July 15, 2013 Share Posted July 15, 2013 A lot of people remain unconvinced about Pards and I think that's certainly acceptable due to the nature of our relative imposion within the space of 12 months. However, you look to Everton in the Early 00's and they didn't half yo-yo until after about 4 seasons they remained consistently within the top 8 until now. I am a supporter of Pardew, I think it's rare to find such honesty from a manager who is open to criticism and willing to share that in open forums with supporters. He should be allowed another crack after his 2011-12 exploits, it's the blokes upstairs who will surely not afford him that. WUM Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LRD Posted July 15, 2013 Share Posted July 15, 2013 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted July 15, 2013 Share Posted July 15, 2013 A lot of people remain unconvinced about Pards and I think that's certainly acceptable due to the nature of our relative imposion within the space of 12 months. However, you look to Everton in the Early 00's and they didn't half yo-yo until after about 4 seasons they remained consistently within the top 8 until now. I am a supporter of Pardew, I think it's rare to find such honesty from a manager who is open to criticism and willing to share that in open forums with supporters. He should be allowed another crack after his 2011-12 exploits, it's the blokes upstairs who will surely not afford him that. Good luck making that post! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted July 15, 2013 Share Posted July 15, 2013 Nothing on the horizon still? Great ... Well we don't know, do we? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted July 15, 2013 Share Posted July 15, 2013 I personally would be delighted to see Remy and Bent come in. Bent guarantees 10+ goals if played regularly and I'd imagine Remy could do similar and can be deployed with more versatility. Sinclair would be an icing on the cake but with a fit Ben Arfa, Marveaux, Jonas and Gouffran that's the wide areas sorted. The majority of us are deflated but when you only think negatively, the whole situation feels worse than it actually is. We aren't that bad a team and a couple signings can elevate us into top 8 easily. Easily. I disagree that with Ben Arfa, Marveux, Gouffran and Jonas the wide areas are sorted. I think that Gouffran is decent in the wide forward role but I wouldn't really want him first choice there. I also am not confident about Marveux out wide. Lastly, Jonas has no place in an attacking role in our team at all. Is exactly right. Ben Arfa's the only player in our squad I'm happy with out wide. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted July 15, 2013 Share Posted July 15, 2013 Gouffran is fine wide of a front three IMO, not Marv though. We need to sign a wide player, but I doubt we'll get more than one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted July 15, 2013 Share Posted July 15, 2013 I personally would be delighted to see Remy and Bent come in. Bent guarantees 10+ goals if played regularly and I'd imagine Remy could do similar and can be deployed with more versatility. Sinclair would be an icing on the cake but with a fit Ben Arfa, Marveaux, Jonas and Gouffran that's the wide areas sorted. The majority of us are deflated but when you only think negatively, the whole situation feels worse than it actually is. We aren't that bad a team and a couple signings can elevate us into top 8 easily. Easily. I disagree that with Ben Arfa, Marveux, Gouffran and Jonas the wide areas are sorted. I think that Gouffran is decent in the wide forward role but I wouldn't really want him first choice there. I also am not confident about Marveux out wide. Lastly, Jonas has no place in an attacking role in our team at all. Is exactly right. Ben Arfa's the only player in our squad I'm happy with out wide. In ideal world for me Marveaux is AM/bench, Gouffran bench and Jonas back up for CM or replaced. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lotus Posted July 15, 2013 Share Posted July 15, 2013 Gouffran is fine wide of a front three IMO, not Marv though. We need to sign a wide player, but I doubt we'll get more than one. Doesn't create. Did he get any assists last season? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted July 15, 2013 Share Posted July 15, 2013 I honestly think Gouff was decent considering he just arrived in the country and into a shite team. He seems to have been written off completely on here. His stats probably don't look amazing but that could be said about nearly every player. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted July 15, 2013 Share Posted July 15, 2013 Gouffran is fine wide of a front three IMO, not Marv though. We need to sign a wide player, but I doubt we'll get more than one. Gouffran doesn't create anything or score many from out there, so he clearly isn't fine. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted July 15, 2013 Share Posted July 15, 2013 Gouffran is fine wide of a front three IMO, not Marv though. We need to sign a wide player, but I doubt we'll get more than one. Gouffran doesn't create anything or score many from out there, so he clearly isn't fine. It's too early to conclude that IMO. Not that I expect any of players to be given any time like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted July 15, 2013 Share Posted July 15, 2013 Gouffran is fine wide of a front three IMO, not Marv though. We need to sign a wide player, but I doubt we'll get more than one. Gouffran doesn't create anything or score many from out there, so he clearly isn't fine. It's too early to conclude that IMO. Not that I expect any of players to be given any time like. Not writing him off but he's not a wide forward imo. Not in the PL. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lotus Posted July 15, 2013 Share Posted July 15, 2013 Gouffran is fine wide of a front three IMO, not Marv though. We need to sign a wide player, but I doubt we'll get more than one. Gouffran doesn't create anything or score many from out there, so he clearly isn't fine. It's too early to conclude that IMO. Not that I expect any of players to be given any time like. I've a lot of time for his effort but we don't really play a 4-3-3, we play more like a 4-5-1 and he doesn't really offer much as LW. Doesn't dribble, doesn't cross. They're not really his attributes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted July 15, 2013 Share Posted July 15, 2013 I'm loathe to write a lot of our players off due to the fuckwit in charge of the team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted July 15, 2013 Share Posted July 15, 2013 We'll see, I'm not saying he was brilliant. But he's positive, he works hard, seems intelligent, has decent pace. I think he has a chance. Anyway, we still need another wide forward. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted July 15, 2013 Share Posted July 15, 2013 Gouffran is fine wide of a front three IMO, not Marv though. We need to sign a wide player, but I doubt we'll get more than one. Gouffran doesn't create anything or score many from out there, so he clearly isn't fine. It's too early to conclude that IMO. Not that I expect any of players to be given any time like. I've a lot of time for his effort but we don't really play a 4-3-3, we play more like a 4-5-1 and he doesn't really offer much as LW. Doesn't dribble, doesn't cross. They're not really his attributes. Fair point actually, as a wide midfielder he isn't as good as a wide forward. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lotus Posted July 15, 2013 Share Posted July 15, 2013 We'll see, I'm not saying he was brilliant. But he's positive, he works hard, seems intelligent, has decent pace. I think he has a chance. Anyway, we still need another wide forward. I think if we played as a 4-4-2 he could work as a striker that works the channels, offers and outball, etc. Just don't think we have the midfield for that though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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