Papiss Cissé

[Jimburst]

He doesn't have some form of right to any position on the pitch, no matter who will pay him his wages. He's contracted to us, by his own choice, and should fucking play as a left forward if asked . This shouldn't even have to be said.

 

I see it like this: We have 2 players who are as good as each other, and it seems like both of them like to be the main goalscorer. Ba is simply more versatile, and if it means pushing Jonas further back (or even out the team) then Ba should go left, Cisse centre and HBA right. they are our 3 most potent attacking threats, playing in in their most dangerous positions (overall).

 

Seems to make sense, and if you're about to say 'Cisse hasn't proven he can score goals' or something to that effect, just remember how class he was last season. We need to get him back on form, he's vital, and will never get back on form playing on the wing (ffs) or on the bench.

[Ronaldo]

What a load of rubbish.

 

Putting it mildly.

[Interpolic]

What a load of rubbish.

 

Putting it mildly.

 

It's patently clear that Ba's been accommodated centrally to the benefit of himself and the detriment of the team, it's almost 100% certain that this is down to the wishes of the player himself, yet people who can see the obvious are being called naive in the middle of an almost unreadable rant.

[cp40]

True. Dyer too would walk into our current side.

 

assuming it was the week a season he could walk.

[littlelunchbox]

look i believe for what its worth (fuck all) that Ba is playing up top simply because of Pardew's short sighted reliance on cheap stats.

 

He see Cisse not scoring much, off form, therefore he can't play upfront on his own.  Thus no Ba out on the left, Ba must play upfront.  It's that simple, I don't believe he scared of Ba and his agent throwing another strop.

 

He's scared the goals will dry up if Ba is not playing upfront.

[Cajun]

He doesn't have some form of right to any position on the pitch, no matter who will pay him his wages. He's contracted to us, by his own choice, and should fucking play as a left forward if asked . This shouldn't even have to be said.

 

I see it like this: We have 2 players who are as good as each other, and it seems like both of them like to be the main goalscorer. Ba is simply more versatile, and if it means pushing Jonas further back (or even out the team) then Ba should go left, Cisse centre and HBA right. they are our 3 most potent attacking threats, playing in in their most dangerous positions (overall).

 

Seems to make sense, and if you're about to say 'Cisse hasn't proven he can score goals' or something to that effect, just remember how class he was last season. We need to get him back on form, he's vital, and will never get back on form playing on the wing (ffs) or on the bench.

 

Ba has proven to be our best centre forwards over the last 18 months. Neither player are as effective out wide, both can do a job there. Cisse has started the season poorly in terms of finishing chances. Just because he scored some blinders last season that doesn't make up for the fact he can't score (so far) this season.

 

 

[Skirge]

I think Cisse would play RB if asked and give his all there too, he has not complained well publicly anyway about where he is played. Fans are of the opinion he would be best played central in a front three, I am not so sure the same could be said for Ba.

YES its upto the manager who he plays where but its not as easy as that, players play better when happy & I am sure it was stated publicly that Ba was not happy being played wide left.

He looks a threat from there he caused all sorts of problems for QPR yesterday when he pulled out wide left and as far as I can remember yesterday is the only game this season where Ba has done that allowing Cisse to go central, so Pardew must want it tried but is doing in as a trial during a game and not as a constant system change. That may be down to Ba not wanting to do so therefore as a compromise he has asked him do drift out there occasionally.

[Cajun]

I think Cisse would play RB if asked and give his all there too, he has not complained well publicly anyway about where he is played. Fans are of the opinion he would be best played central in a front three, I am not so sure the same could be said for Ba.

YES its upto the manager who he plays where but its not as easy as that, players play better when happy & I am sure it was stated publicly that Ba was not happy being played wide left.

He looks a threat from there he caused all sorts of problems for QPR yesterday when he pulled out wide left and as far as I can remember yesterday is the only game this season where Ba has done that allowing Cisse to go central, so Pardew must want it tried but is doing in as a trial during a game and not as a constant system change. That may be down to Ba not wanting to do so therefore as a compromise he has asked him do drift out there occasionally.

 

Cisse has played 4 (?) games out there and kicked off when he was subbed. Bit early to proclaim he would play anywhere for the team and Ba is the devil

[Interpolic]

look i believe for what its worth (fuck all) that Ba is playing up top simply because of Pardew's short sighted reliance on cheap stats.

 

He see Cisse not scoring much, off form, therefore he can't play upfront on his own.  Thus no Ba out on the left, Ba must play upfront.  It's that simple, I don't believe he scared of Ba and his agent throwing another strop.

 

He's scared the goals will dry up if Ba is not playing upfront.

 

Doesn't explain why we played 2 up front for most of the season until the last few games.  You can't be this stupid.

[Jimburst]

I don't see how Ba can clearly be said to be better than Cisse? Because he's played here longer? He hasn't got a significantly better goals:games ratio, and both have had terrible runs of form in terms of scoring goals when played as a right or left forward.

 

The difference being that Cisse looks clueless on the right, and Ba looked fine on the left. I like Ba, I think he's great, I just want to see our best players put in positions they're most comfortable in.

[Cajun]

They have both played the majority of this season in the centre and Cisse has looked toothless (I have to stress I love Cisse, feel like I am putting him down just to defend Ba but I really do like him).

 

I don't think Cisse would have taken his chances if we lined up like last season, he is just going through a dip in form and thankfully we didn't move Ba out wide where he looked just as poor in front of goal because we would be REALLY struggling if we had.

[littlelunchbox]

look i believe for what its worth (f*** all) that Ba is playing up top simply because of Pardew's short sighted reliance on cheap stats.

 

He see Cisse not scoring much, off form, therefore he can't play upfront on his own.  Thus no Ba out on the left, Ba must play upfront.  It's that simple, I don't believe he scared of Ba and his agent throwing another strop.

 

He's scared the goals will dry up if Ba is not playing upfront.

 

Doesn't explain why we played 2 up front for most of the season until the last few games.  You can't be this stupid.

 

it explains perfectly why he played them both uptop,  becuase he's scared of losing the goal threat of Ba if he's out wide.  In pardew's mind 4-4-2 is heaven.

[Skeletor]

(I have to stress I love Cisse, feel like I am putting him down just to defend Ba but I really do like him).

 

It does come across that way to be honest.

[Skirge]

I think Cisse would play RB if asked and give his all there too, he has not complained well publicly anyway about where he is played. Fans are of the opinion he would be best played central in a front three, I am not so sure the same could be said for Ba.

YES its upto the manager who he plays where but its not as easy as that, players play better when happy & I am sure it was stated publicly that Ba was not happy being played wide left.

He looks a threat from there he caused all sorts of problems for QPR yesterday when he pulled out wide left and as far as I can remember yesterday is the only game this season where Ba has done that allowing Cisse to go central, so Pardew must want it tried but is doing in as a trial during a game and not as a constant system change. That may be down to Ba not wanting to do so therefore as a compromise he has asked him do drift out there occasionally.

 

Cisse has played 4 (?) games out there and kicked off when he was subbed. Bit early to proclaim he would play anywhere for the team and Ba is the devil

 

Not what I am saying, he was not happy being subbed does that mean he was not happy on the wing ? Was he angry that he seen it was Shola coming on and knew the system would change so Shola could play central?

I did not see a player pissed off to be playing wide jut a layer who wanted to be on the pitch.

 

My thoughts on Ba come from what was said by him or his people about him not wanting to play on the left, its not like he was a winger same for Cisse its wide of a front three not a midfield four.

Its obvious they had been asked to alternate so both had a chance of playing the central striker role. I would be gutted if Demba left us see him as a great player but we need him to be a great team player and I don't think he is that. I am pissed off that it seems Pardew is doing what he can do to accommodate Ba and not just telling him to play wide left for a spell and see if it helps the team.

[Cajun]

(I have to stress I love Cisse, feel like I am putting him down just to defend Ba but I really do like him).

 

It does come across that way to be honest.

 

I know, someone said on another forum about how them arguing against one point made them look like they were saying something they didn't believe and that hit home.

 

I do really, really like Cisse. I have argued myself that a player with his record doesn't suddenly become a poor player and laughed at those who weirdly tried to claim he only scored screamers and has been found out/luck run out.

 

He is a great finisher and I have no doubt he will get over this rut, but while he is in one we need to play the forward who is putting them away in his preferred position rather than moving him out wide in the blind hope Cisse find that form it instantly.

 

We aren't creating many chances and can't afford to detriment an already ineffective goalscoring side.

[Interpolic]

look i believe for what its worth (f*** all) that Ba is playing up top simply because of Pardew's short sighted reliance on cheap stats.

 

He see Cisse not scoring much, off form, therefore he can't play upfront on his own.  Thus no Ba out on the left, Ba must play upfront.  It's that simple, I don't believe he scared of Ba and his agent throwing another strop.

 

He's scared the goals will dry up if Ba is not playing upfront.

 

Doesn't explain why we played 2 up front for most of the season until the last few games.  You can't be this stupid.

 

it explains perfectly why he played them both uptop,  becuase he's scared of losing the goal threat of Ba.

 

WBA (A) 3-1

Liverpool (H) 2-0

Swansea (A) 2-0

Bolton (H) 2-0

Stoke (H) 3-0

 

Playing 433 (or a variation on it) with Cisse central and Ba on the left - 15 points, 12 goals scored, 1 goal conceded.  I doubt Pardew cares who scores the goals.  If you think Ba hasn't had a word and that hasn't influenced Pardew then you're... well you're very naive, ironically enough.

[Skirge]

They did link up yesterday though and but for a slightly over hit pass by Demba Cisse was in oh and a cracking defensive tackle. Its that kind of link up play we are desperate to see but if they play so far apart its not going to develop.

[Mick]

Pardew has massively screwed up the Ba/Cisse situation in trying to keep Ba happy.  Ironically, he's probably made it more likely that we'll lose Ba and we'll be left with Cisse who is in poor form because of the way he's been managed.

[littlelunchbox]

I think Cisse would play RB if asked and give his all there too, he has not complained well publicly anyway about where he is played. Fans are of the opinion he would be best played central in a front three, I am not so sure the same could be said for Ba.

YES its upto the manager who he plays where but its not as easy as that, players play better when happy & I am sure it was stated publicly that Ba was not happy being played wide left.

He looks a threat from there he caused all sorts of problems for QPR yesterday when he pulled out wide left and as far as I can remember yesterday is the only game this season where Ba has done that allowing Cisse to go central, so Pardew must want it tried but is doing in as a trial during a game and not as a constant system change. That may be down to Ba not wanting to do so therefore as a compromise he has asked him do drift out there occasionally.

 

Cisse has played 4 (?) games out there and kicked off when he was subbed. Bit early to proclaim he would play anywhere for the team and Ba is the devil

 

Not what I am saying, he was not happy being subbed does that mean he was not happy on the wing ? Was he angry that he seen it was Shola coming on and knew the system would change so Shola could play central?

I did not see a player p*ssed off to be playing wide jut a layer who wanted to be on the pitch.

 

My thoughts on Ba come from what was said by him or his people about him not wanting to play on the left, its not like he was a winger same for Cisse its wide of a front three not a midfield four.

Its obvious they had been asked to alternate so both had a chance of playing the central striker role. I would be gutted if Demba left us see him as a great player but we need him to be a great team player and I don't think he is that. I am p*ssed off that it seems Pardew is doing what he can do to accommodate Ba and not just telling him to play wide left for a spell and see if it helps the team.

 

it's Pardew's lack of imagination thats worrying.  If he's not willing to put Ba on the wing, then why not try playing two wide men either side of Ba,  or play two wide men either side of Cisse. and I don't mean sticking a striker out as a wide man. 

 

It's these things he hasn't tried enough.  it his pure arrogance and it always takes the shit to hit the fan before he makes real changes.

[Skirge]

Pardew has massively screwed up the Ba/Cisse situation in trying to keep Ba happy.  Ironically, he's probably made it more likely that we'll lose Ba and we'll be left with Cisse who is in poor form because of the way he's been managed.

 

I think this is the view of many fans and maybe some players, makes sense if we think it they may too.

[Guest neesy111]

The whole situation really is starting to depress me.  Just want whats best of the team. 

[Skirge]

I think Cisse would play RB if asked and give his all there too, he has not complained well publicly anyway about where he is played. Fans are of the opinion he would be best played central in a front three, I am not so sure the same could be said for Ba.

YES its upto the manager who he plays where but its not as easy as that, players play better when happy & I am sure it was stated publicly that Ba was not happy being played wide left.

He looks a threat from there he caused all sorts of problems for QPR yesterday when he pulled out wide left and as far as I can remember yesterday is the only game this season where Ba has done that allowing Cisse to go central, so Pardew must want it tried but is doing in as a trial during a game and not as a constant system change. That may be down to Ba not wanting to do so therefore as a compromise he has asked him do drift out there occasionally.

 

Cisse has played 4 (?) games out there and kicked off when he was subbed. Bit early to proclaim he would play anywhere for the team and Ba is the devil

 

Not what I am saying, he was not happy being subbed does that mean he was not happy on the wing ? Was he angry that he seen it was Shola coming on and knew the system would change so Shola could play central?

I did not see a player p*ssed off to be playing wide jut a layer who wanted to be on the pitch.

 

My thoughts on Ba come from what was said by him or his people about him not wanting to play on the left, its not like he was a winger same for Cisse its wide of a front three not a midfield four.

Its obvious they had been asked to alternate so both had a chance of playing the central striker role. I would be gutted if Demba left us see him as a great player but we need him to be a great team player and I don't think he is that. I am p*ssed off that it seems Pardew is doing what he can do to accommodate Ba and not just telling him to play wide left for a spell and see if it helps the team.

 

it's Pardew's lack of imagination thats worrying.  If he's not willing to put Ba on the wing, then why not try playing two wide men either side of Ba,  or play two wide men either side of Cisse. and I don't mean sticking a striker out as a wide man. 

 

It's these things he hasn't tried enough.  it his pure arrogance and it always takes the shit to hit the fan before he makes real changes.

 

I think he could play Ba & Cisse closer together with a third striker or say Mav centrally behind them, he may have trued this with Benny as the central deeper one of the front three but only once as far as I can remember

[littlelunchbox]

look i believe for what its worth (f*** all) that Ba is playing up top simply because of Pardew's short sighted reliance on cheap stats.

 

He see Cisse not scoring much, off form, therefore he can't play upfront on his own.  Thus no Ba out on the left, Ba must play upfront.  It's that simple, I don't believe he scared of Ba and his agent throwing another strop.

 

He's scared the goals will dry up if Ba is not playing upfront.

 

Doesn't explain why we played 2 up front for most of the season until the last few games.  You can't be this stupid.

 

it explains perfectly why he played them both uptop,  becuase he's scared of losing the goal threat of Ba.

 

WBA (A) 3-1

Liverpool (H) 2-0

Swansea (A) 2-0

Bolton (H) 2-0

Stoke (H) 3-0

 

Playing 433 (or a variation on it) with Cisse central and Ba on the left - 15 points, 12 goals scored, 1 goal conceded.  I doubt Pardew cares who scores the goals.  If you think Ba hasn't had a word and that hasn't influenced Pardew then you're... well you're very naive, ironically enough.

 

i think you are  misunderstanding what im saying, i dont doubt Ba has made his displeasure about playing out wide,  im saying its up to pardew to put him out wide if he wants to., its down to him.  A good manager can do that.

[Jimburst]

They have both played the majority of this season in the centre and Cisse has looked toothless (I have to stress I love Cisse, feel like I am putting him down just to defend Ba but I really do like him).

 

I don't think Cisse would have taken his chances if we lined up like last season, he is just going through a dip in form and thankfully we didn't move Ba out wide where he looked just as poor in front of goal because we would be REALLY struggling if we had.

 

Cisse's never played in a 442, to be fair. He looks far less suited to it than Ba, maybe because Ba is a better player? Who knows.

 

"thankfully we didn't move Ba out wide where he looked just as poor in front of goal" I don't get this, you're agreeing we're treating Cisse poorly? Like I said, we're not playing well offensively, maybe we could change it up a little see if we can help our world class, 10 million pound signing instead of stringing him out on the wing.

[Cajun]

They have both played the majority of this season in the centre and Cisse has looked toothless (I have to stress I love Cisse, feel like I am putting him down just to defend Ba but I really do like him).

 

I don't think Cisse would have taken his chances if we lined up like last season, he is just going through a dip in form and thankfully we didn't move Ba out wide where he looked just as poor in front of goal because we would be REALLY struggling if we had.

 

Cisse's never played in a 442, to be fair. He looks far less suited to it than Ba, maybe because Ba is a better player? Who knows.

 

"thankfully we didn't move Ba out wide where he looked just as poor in front of goal" I don't get this, you're agreeing we're treating Cisse poorly? Like I said, we're not playing well offensively, maybe we could change it up a little see if we can help our world class, 10 million pound signing instead of stringing him out on the wing.

 

I didn't say we were treating Cisse poorly

 

I said he was playing poorly, we aren't scoring many and thankfully we haven't marginalised the only player who currently looks capable of scoring his fair share of goals.

 

At the end of the day moving one of them out wide if going to limit their chances, I would rather it be the one who isn't scoring than the one who is.