sunderland

[Mick]

The reality is that we've won as many league titles as they have since we were formed, we couldn't go back in time and try and catch them up.  Overall we've won more major trophies than they have and we've done it in less time.  We've won 11 they've won 8, stupid bastards.

 

What about us winning the Fairs Cup, a trophy which some of the biggest clubs in Europe list as an honour won, it was good enough for Barcelona but not the mackems, I wonder why?

 

The mongs have claimed the highest gate while forgetting that our highest gate isn't mentioned because the game was called off in 1900 when 120,000 were inside the ground.

 

Also when considering gates, what about us topping the gates for English football 10 times, they haven't ever done it once.  In seasons 1946/47 and 1947/48 we topped it and were in the 2nd division and not a single club had a better average attendance, even in the top division.

 

I could go on but can't be arsed.

[cp40]

Facts That Matter

[Mole_Toonfan]

who gives a s***

 

[newsted]

 

Yes we know we won the league in 1908 when they won 9-1. Wasn't our first team on strike?

 

 

Someone needs to research this so we can put it to bed. I read somewhere it was in the days when team was chosen by commmitee, and they were friendly with Sunderland, and did them a favour by playing our youth team or something. As is clear, it wasnt the same team that we beat Man u at OT that same season 7-1 or something. needs clearing up.

 

Turns out it was the same team that won 4-0 at Forest the week before. Hate it when facts get in the way. Had a few big names out though.

 

And we lost 1-0 at Bank Street to Manchester United - Old Trafford was a couple of years away then. They beat us in the cup semi-final too, the eternal twats.

 

I'll get me anorak.

 

 

[cp40]

shh

[Guest Howaythetoon]

That 9-1 defeat, there are two story's behind that match.

 

Story 1 - apparently several of the first-team players back then were not happy with their win/appearance bonus so went to what would have been back then the trainer, selected by a board committee to simply coach them, the board actually picking the players. The trainer went to the board who responded by dropping them for what was then, not a ferocious derby like today, but more of a neighborly friendly match-up.

 

As such kids and reserves replaced the senior players hence the 9-1 drubbing. The shameful defeat, not because it was handed to us by sunderland a then friendly neighbour, but because we were challenging for the league and with it we were regarded as one of the best sides in the game full-stop, lead to the reinstatement of the senior players, who dully went onto wait for it, FUCKING WIN DA LEAGUE! Nice one mackems!

 

Story 2 - back then sunderland were not considered our fierce derby rivals like today but more like that nice neighbour over the road so when the board of committee decided to drop the senior players for a side of kids and reserves, they did so with no real concern. For coming up was a potential 4-pointer title deciding match against Blackburn Rovers who at the time were top of the league or direct challengers for the title. So we rested the senior players and although the kids and reserves got well beaten, the seniors did beat their title rivals Rovers 2-0 a week later which went some way to decide the title. Nice one mackems.

 

Ironically, either way, the mackems 9-1 win actually gave them a shot in the arm as they went onto become title challengers themselves, failing short of actually winning it, losing out to erm, NEWCASTLE UNITED by a point margin the same as their goals for margin against us

 

I love how they crow on about that win by the way, it really is sad. Back then NUFC and sunderland were nothing like the rivals we are today despite actually both competing for the title and other honours and even the same players, Hughie Gallacher for example was courted by the mackems when we were after him and indeed when he was our player. We were friendly neighbours whose fans on both sides would travel the 12 or so mile distance to watch each other when their own team was playing away. My grandad being one of those people.

 

Whenever we won a cup many a 'mackem' would celebrate and clap our team when passing through.

 

The reason why I've used '' when referring to the them above by the way, is because back then they actually regarded themselves as Geordies.

 

They as a club, as people and as a city have no culture whatsoever, their entire existence is defined  by and revolves around NUFC and Geordies. They forever live in our shadow always and that's what really eats them up because they know deep down they will always be a sad mackem bastard supporting a second rate team that no-one gives a fuck about and the less said about their hovel of a city/town or whatever you want to call it the better.

 

I'm being 100% genuine here, while I hate their fucking guts I genuinley do not give a fuck about them outside of our matches with them. I probably hate Liverpool more and I'm a born and bread Geordie.  They really are insignificant outside of the derby.

[loki679]

I love how they crow on about that win by the way, it really is sad. Back then NUFC and sunderland were nothing like the rivals we are today despite actually both competing for the title and other honours and even the same players, Hughie Gallacher for example was courted by the mackems when we were after him and indeed when he was our player. We were friendly neighbours whose fans on both sides would travel the 12 or so mile distance to watch each other when their own team was playing away. My grandad being one of those people.

 

Weird thing, I was watching some old Auf Wiedersehen Pet episodes last night and the one where Sunderland are playing in Belgium against Liege came on.  Dennis and Oz went along to cheer them on and got on well with the Sunderland fans there and even wore Sunderland scarves.  My dad when I was growing up displayed none of the animosity towards them we see now, he used to say he wanted all the north east teams to do well.

 

I just wonder how much the hatred and bitterness has been stoked by the sky hype and how much was genuinely there pre 92.  A little before my time so maybe some of our elder brethren can enlighten us.

[Interpolic]

http://www.sunderlandecho.com/news/local/all-news/jesus-predicts-sunderland-derby-win-over-newcastle-1-5038135

[Disco]

I love how they crow on about that win by the way, it really is sad. Back then NUFC and sunderland were nothing like the rivals we are today despite actually both competing for the title and other honours and even the same players, Hughie Gallacher for example was courted by the mackems when we were after him and indeed when he was our player. We were friendly neighbours whose fans on both sides would travel the 12 or so mile distance to watch each other when their own team was playing away. My grandad being one of those people.

 

Weird thing, I was watching some old Auf Wiedersehen Pet episodes last night and the one where Sunderland are playing in Belgium against Liege came on.  Dennis and Oz went along to cheer them on and got on well with the Sunderland fans there and even wore Sunderland scarves.  My dad when I was growing up displayed none of the animosity towards them we see now, he used to say he wanted all the north east teams to do well.

 

I just wonder how much the hatred and bitterness has been stoked by the sky hype and how much was genuinely theere pre 92.  A little before my time so maybe some of our elder brethren can enlighten us.

 

Probably down to everyone in NE being jolly old Sunderland fans pre 92 and then Sky bought Newcastle and made them great so all but the ultra Sunderland fans who go to every game home and away started supporting us but they of course never go to SJP. [/RTG]

[Guest BooBoo]

A lot of older fans reckoned the hatred went supernova after the play off defeat in 1989.

[cp40]

A lot of older fans reckoned the hatred went supernova after the play off defeat in 1989.

 

90.

 

yes

 

what made that worse was they were a poor 6th that season, were shite in losing the final to Swindon, swindon were then dissqualified over financial iregularities and the SMBs handed promotion by default.

 

They were mega shit tho and relegated in 1 season   while we all know what happend here

[PineBarrens]

A couple of three things - SAFC won half their titles in the 19th Century when the likes of Darwen and Burton Swifts were in existence. As for their boast about holding the record for the highest attendance, that merely reinforces their inherent fickleness given that we've averaged over 11 million more fans then them over the years. Oh, and that record attendance was sandwiched in between two home attendances of 7,000 and 12,000. Fickle Thick Mackems. 

 

 

They are Stock, Aitken and Waterman to our Stax, Lee Hurst to our Lenny Bruce and what kills them the most is that barely anyone outside of their sordid cesspit gives a flying fuck about them or their football team.

 

[summerof69]

is this a serious thread ?

 

http://www.readytogo.net/smb/showthread.php?t=736840

[cp40]

is this a serious thread ?

 

http://www.readytogo.net/smb/showthread.php?t=736840

 

 

I saw that earlier and couldnt figure out if the op or some replies were a joke? but not very funny or believed saddness by the posters, its getting difficult to distinguish between reality and pure Fantasy in that place.

[Guest BooBoo]

The game seems to send some of them round the twist. It's almost like a total irrational unsubstantiated collective heads-in-sand mongo fest takes over in the week before where they forget their dreadful record in this fixture and chronic inability to rise to the occasion.

 

Baffling tbh.

[cp40]

The game seems to send some of them round the twist. It's almost like a total irrational unsubstantiated collective heads-in-sand mongo fest takes over in the week before where they forget their dreadful record in this fixture and chronic inability to rise to the occasion.

 

Baffling tbh.

 

 

[binnsy]

they have done something we have never done....played in division 3.  Facts That Matter.

[Dandy Man]

 

Yes we know we won the league in 1908 when they won 9-1. Wasn't our first team on strike?

 

 

Someone needs to research this so we can put it to bed. I read somewhere it was in the days when team was chosen by commmitee, and they were friendly with Sunderland, and did them a favour by playing our youth team or something. As is clear, it wasnt the same team that we beat Man u at OT that same season 7-1 or something. needs clearing up.

 

Turns out it was the same team that won 4-0 at Forest the week before. Hate it when facts get in the way. Had a few big names out though.

 

And we lost 1-0 at Bank Street to Manchester United - Old Trafford was a couple of years away then. They beat us in the cup semi-final too, the eternal twats.

 

I'll get me anorak.

 

 

In the quarters we dumped "them" out of the cup, 3-0 at Roker Park.

[WarrenBartonCentrePartin]

http://www.sunderlandecho.com/news/local/all-news/jesus-predicts-sunderland-derby-win-over-newcastle-1-5038135

 

:lol:

 

embarrassing journalism, that.

[madras]

That 9-1 defeat, there are two story's behind that match.

 

Story 1 - apparently several of the first-team players back then were not happy with their win/appearance bonus so went to what would have been back then the trainer, selected by a board committee to simply coach them, the board actually picking the players. The trainer went to the board who responded by dropping them for what was then, not a ferocious derby like today, but more of a neighborly friendly match-up.

 

As such kids and reserves replaced the senior players hence the 9-1 drubbing. The shameful defeat, not because it was handed to us by sunderland a then friendly neighbour, but because we were challenging for the league and with it we were regarded as one of the best sides in the game full-stop, lead to the reinstatement of the senior players, who dully went onto wait for it, f***ing WIN DA LEAGUE! Nice one mackems!

 

Story 2 - back then sunderland were not considered our fierce derby rivals like today but more like that nice neighbour over the road so when the board of committee decided to drop the senior players for a side of kids and reserves, they did so with no real concern. For coming up was a potential 4-pointer title deciding match against Blackburn Rovers who at the time were top of the league or direct challengers for the title. So we rested the senior players and although the kids and reserves got well beaten, the seniors did beat their title rivals Rovers 2-0 a week later which went some way to decide the title. Nice one mackems.

 

Ironically, either way, the mackems 9-1 win actually gave them a shot in the arm as they went onto become title challengers themselves, failing short of actually winning it, losing out to erm, NEWCASTLE UNITED by a point margin the same as their goals for margin against us

 

I love how they crow on about that win by the way, it really is sad. Back then NUFC and sunderland were nothing like the rivals we are today despite actually both competing for the title and other honours and even the same players, Hughie Gallacher for example was courted by the mackems when we were after him and indeed when he was our player. We were friendly neighbours whose fans on both sides would travel the 12 or so mile distance to watch each other when their own team was playing away. My grandad being one of those people.

 

Whenever we won a cup many a 'mackem' would celebrate and clap our team when passing through.

 

The reason why I've used '' when referring to the them above by the way, is because back then they actually regarded themselves as Geordies.

 

They as a club, as people and as a city have no culture whatsoever, their entire existence is defined  by and revolves around NUFC and Geordies. They forever live in our shadow always and that's what really eats them up because they know deep down they will always be a sad mackem b****** supporting a second rate team that no-one gives a f*** about and the less said about their hovel of a city/town or whatever you want to call it the better.

 

I'm being 100% genuine here, while I hate their f***ing guts I genuinley do not give a f*** about them outside of our matches with them. I probably hate Liverpool more and I'm a born and bread Geordie.  They really are insignificant outside of the derby.

and none of it really matters to me, it's an historical footnote with little relevance to today. I know how i felt when rowell got his hat trick and when they beat us in the play offs, i know how i felt at both new years day games, the 4-1, the 5-1 and many more. even games i wasn't at i remember how i felt listening or watching, i was involved in them all in one way or another....but, and this is contrary to preceived wisdom, i wasn't about in 1908 so it means very littlle if anything at all.

[Dr Venkman]

I love how they crow on about that win by the way, it really is sad. Back then NUFC and sunderland were nothing like the rivals we are today despite actually both competing for the title and other honours and even the same players, Hughie Gallacher for example was courted by the mackems when we were after him and indeed when he was our player. We were friendly neighbours whose fans on both sides would travel the 12 or so mile distance to watch each other when their own team was playing away. My grandad being one of those people.

 

Weird thing, I was watching some old Auf Wiedersehen Pet episodes last night and the one where Sunderland are playing in Belgium against Liege came on.  Dennis and Oz went along to cheer them on and got on well with the Sunderland fans there and even wore Sunderland scarves.  My dad when I was growing up displayed none of the animosity towards them we see now, he used to say he wanted all the north east teams to do well.

 

I just wonder how much the hatred and bitterness has been stoked by the sky hype and how much was genuinely there pre 92.  A little before my time so maybe some of our elder brethren can enlighten us.

 

It was very common for north east lads to look out for each other when working away from home in those types of situations. I'd argue it might even be the same now to some extent. I wore an NUFC top in New York City for a day, the only other guy I saw wearing a football top was a mackem, we passed each other in the street and had a quick chat, was good craic actually.

[Guest BooBoo]

I once saw Tim Healy after a theatre show at the Live Theatre and questioned him about that ep of Auf Pet.

 

His answers were a right load of waffle. Plus he's tiny.

[cp40]

I can remember back to the 70s, my dad taking me to matches. There was deffo ridiculing of them back then, and the hostilty was very real. proper fighting fans in the streets. My first clear memory is of NYD 80, 3-1 win , can remember Havoc outside. my dad took me to derbies home and away beofre that but dont have clear memories, apart from walking to Roker as very young kid.

[madras]

I once saw Tim Healy after a theatre show at the Live Theatre and questioned him about that ep of Auf Pet.

 

His answers were a right load of waffle. Plus he's tiny.

i was told that the original plan was to have the sunderlnad fans a lot more rowdy and Ian la frenais would rather portray them like that then us. probably bollocks like.

[Beren]

Not being a Geordie, I have no great antipathy for Sunderland. They're a solid, unspectacular club. Like most clubs, they have a few irritating characters every generation (and an offensively moronic online representation) but they're alright for the most part.

 

Sure, Cattermole is a numbskull and Artie Ziff grates on me personally (his intransigence in the face of logic/truth reminds me a bit of Dalglish tbh), but by the sake token I completely understand that Pardew isn't well liked outside of whatever club he happens to be at too!

 

They're not detestable on the levels of Liverpool, Chelsea or Man City though. It'd be quite nice if there were more camaraderie between the clubs - as SBR felt there ought to have been - but 2012 doesn't seem like an era conducive to that sort of relationship with another team in the same division as you, let alone a local rival.

 

madras is absolutely right about the 9-1 stuff. Imagine having to resort to material from 1908 for some decent face-rubbing of your local rival. You would hope, however, that most of them that go on about 9-1 are doing it for bites not because they really believe it has any significance whatsoever. Even then though, it's pretty self-deprecating for them if you give it any thought at all.

 

When I say 'them', I mean RTG. Never spent much time in Sunderland, but know a few Sunderland fans who - while not my favourite people - are not morons. Refuse to believe RTG to be a representative sample of Sunderland. Surprised the majority of users on there have figured out how to use their computers. It must be quite sad that reasonable Sunderland fans have no decent online forum (or, more optimistically - it's too exclusive for RTG-calibre posters to find).