sunderland

[PCW1983]

PDC and that lot are a good match for each other, both attention whores who constantly try to claim a status that they have neither earned or deserve.  Match that with views of a neanderthal and they are the perfect combo.

 

Sunderland and the media need to take a long hard look at themselves giving this clown attention that is undeserved and serves no purpose other then to fill a 5 min spot on a free view channel.  During times when we are desperately trying to eradicate these kinds of pathetic views from life and football giving this man any kind of publicity sets us back 20 years.

 

In a footballing view they have appointed a manager who will blame everyone else for his failings and he will fail, no doubt about it.

 

But of course, his politics have nothing to do with football.......fucking half wits.

[George Bailey]

Ignorance.Pure ignorance.

NO PLATFORM FOR FASCISTS.

Not even close.

Extremist views against people can be done by both sides of extremist views, whether you call them Fascist or Totalitarians means zilch. End product is the same.

 

Ignorance. Sorry mate just is...

 

You are coming from the viewpoint that the regimes of the Soviet Bloc, of Maos China, North Korea etc are/were Communist.They aren't weren't.

Not even close to being Socialist.

 

Communism and Socialism have nothing to do with this alleged totalitarianism.

 

Its understandable. Thats how they are/were been portrayed in the western media.

 

Its about inclusion, participataion and acceptance within the "democratic" process.  Fascism is the antithesis of this. Communism is the very embodiemnet of democracy, true democracy. the social revolution that will free mankind and allow us all to participate in ruling ourselves.

 

Inclusion in the procees not exclusion and rule by an elite or single party state. The subversion of the Soviet Bloc and the other Stalininst regimes are /were reprehensible, spot on nut they have nowt, nowt to do with communism or socialism, nowt. The betrayal of the Russian revolution and Stalinist "one nation socialism" policy, are as far removed form Marxist, Leninist philophy as are the wetsern democracies we live in....

 

Internationalism v nationalism:not nation v nation, ethnic and cultural divisions not being used as a tool to divide us, but cooperation and communal goals to untie us all. No flags, no national agendas. An international agenda for all mankind.

 

We are poles, light years apart in reality. Just the portrayl by the western media, controlled by the giant corporations over generations: nice and easy to mix the two up, deliberatley.

 

Yes there are differences between the Nazis and fascists thats true...... Ideologically speaking. Result is the same in both ideologies though.

 

womens rights : subverted. The role of women within society and of their inclusion in the democratic process....

workers rights : subverted. trade unions crushed...wonder what the PFA thin of this openly fascist member.Anti working class at the very core of its philosophy.

racist/supremacist ideology at their core: superiority of one ethnic type over another, mass murder and genocide, anti semitism at their very core. Wonder how he will promote Kick out Racism!

sexual freedoms: subverted. Wonder what any gay players feelings are towards having a fasicst manager in the PL

 

The policy of No Platform for Fascists is a meaningful as ever, especially now.

Economic chaos, strife: the very breeding grounds of right wing politics. Appeal to the lowest common/basest instincts....EDL, BNP, UKIP...and now an outright fascist in a very high profile role.

 

Amazed that people seem to think this is accepatble.  He aint Norman Tebbit, this aint just the right wing of the Tory party, as bad as they are/were......the blokes a fucking Fascist for christs sake....

 

 

 

 

[Incognito]

Ignorance.Pure ignorance.

NO PLATFORM FOR FASCISTS.

Not even close.

Extremist views against people can be done by both sides of extremist views, whether you call them Fascist or Totalitarians means zilch. End product is the same.

 

Ignorance. Sorry mate just is...

 

You are coming from the viewpoint that the regimes of the Soviet Bloc, of Maos China, North Korea etc are/were Communist.They aren't weren't.

Not even close to being Socialist.

 

Communism and Socialism have nothing to do with this alleged totalitarianism.

 

Its understandable. Thats how they are/were been portrayed in the western media.

 

Its about inclusion, participataion and acceptance within the "democratic" process.  Fascism is the antithesis of this. Communism is the very embodiemnet of democracy, true democracy. the social revolution that will free mankind and allow us all to participate in ruling ourselves.

 

Inclusion in the procees not exclusion and rule by an elite or single party state. The subversion of the Soviet Bloc and the other Stalininst regimes are /were reprehensible, spot on nut they have nowt, nowt to do with communism or socialism, nowt. The betrayal of the Russian revolution and Stalinist "one nation socialism" policy, are as far removed form Marxist, Leninist philophy as are the wetsern democracies we live in....

 

Internationalism v nationalism:not nation v nation, ethnic and cultural divisions not being used as a tool to divide us, but cooperation and communal goals to untie us all. No flags, no national agendas. An international agenda for all mankind.

 

We are poles, light years apart in reality. Just the portrayl by the western media, controlled by the giant corporations over generations: nice and easy to mix the two up, deliberatley.

 

Yes there are differences between the Nazis and fascists thats true...... Ideologically speaking. Result is the same in both ideologies though.

 

womens rights : subverted. The role of women within society and of their inclusion in the democratic process....

workers rights : subverted. trade unions crushed...wonder what the PFA thin of this openly fascist member.Anti working class at the very core of its philosophy.

racist/supremacist ideology at their core: superiority of one ethnic type over another, mass murder and genocide, anti semitism at their very core. Wonder how he will promote Kick out Racism!

sexual freedoms: subverted. Wonder what any gay players feelings are towards having a fasicst manager in the PL

 

The policy of No Platform for Fascists is a meaningful as ever, especially now.

Economic chaos, strife: the very breeding grounds of right wing politics. Appeal to the lowest common/basest instincts....EDL, BNP, UKIP...and now an outright fascist in a very high profile role.

 

Amazed that people seem to think this is accepatble.  He aint Norman Tebbit, this aint just the right wing of the Tory party, as bad as they are/were......the blokes a fucking Fascist for christs sake....

 

 

 

 

 

Well said.

[Dokko]

Why are we Geordie's arguing about this?

 

Tbh I find it pretty boring stuff, but least were (the forum) having a discussion about it instead of 'fuck off kernt' and the likes 

[joeyt]

New Formation

 

[Guest Phil K]

Why are we Geordie's arguing about this?

PRE-CISELY

Maybe it makes some feel "superior" in some ways to lecture others. In a quite (ahem) fascist manner !

As I said in the beginning. So what ? Let's have fun with the makems over this, not goosestep around pontificating about you aren't allowed to think THAT ! Think as I do or we'll flame you !

 

And Bimpy474 - you should have had a yo-yo dangling from Adolf's fingers. He's a fantastic Banjo player. Loved entertaining the troops http://i480.photobucket.com/albums/rr166/PhilK001/hitler_11_zpscba17412.gif

[Dave]

New Formation

 

 

[Cajun]

Why are we Geordie's arguing about this?

PRE-CISELY

Maybe it makes some feel "superior" in some ways to lecture others. In a quite (ahem) fascist manner !

As I said in the beginning. So what ? Let's have fun with the makems over this, not goosestep around pontificating about you aren't allowed to think THAT ! Think as I do or we'll flame you !

 

And Bimpy474 - you should have had a yo-yo dangling from Adolf's fingers. He's a fantastic Banjo player. Loved entertaining the troops http://i480.photobucket.com/albums/rr166/PhilK001/hitler_11_zpscba17412.gif

 

You keep saying it makes people feel superior lecturing others etc.. but as far as I can see YOU started the whole argument

[Incognito]

Why are we Geordie's arguing about this?

PRE-CISELY

Maybe it makes some feel "superior" in some ways to lecture others. In a quite (ahem) fascist manner !

As I said in the beginning. So what ? Let's have fun with the makems over this, not goosestep around pontificating about you aren't allowed to think THAT ! Think as I do or we'll flame you !

 

And Bimpy474 - you should have had a yo-yo dangling from Adolf's fingers. He's a fantastic Banjo player. Loved entertaining the troops http://i480.photobucket.com/albums/rr166/PhilK001/hitler_11_zpscba17412.gif

 

I'm hanging from the lamppost at the corner of the street.

 

You should see what I can see, when I'm cleansing ethnics.

[George Bailey]

Wasnt meaning to lecture at all: apologies if it came across that way.

it matters though honest, mate.

 

Perfection, of a kind, was what he was after,

And the poetry he invented was easy to understand;

He knew human folly like the back of his hand,

And was greatly interested in armies and fleets;

When he laughed, respectable senators burst with laughter,

And when he cried the little children died in the streets

 

Yes I know maybe some think sport and polisics don't/ shouldnt mix. simple thing for me is though: all life is part of the political process really.

 

 

Anyhoooo.

 

Was worried they may appoint someone half decent, Solskjaer,Curbishley...at least they have a fuckwit..

[Guest Phil K]

You keep saying it makes people feel superior lecturing others etc.. but as far as I can see YOU started the whole argument

By having a marginally different viewpoint ?

Then the usual suspect piled in, and I defended it.

What would you have done then ? Just agree ?

You haven't in past, have you ?

But it's different when it's me you say ? 

 

[Dave]

God you're rubbish.

[Dr Venkman]

[Dokko]

You keep saying it makes people feel superior lecturing others etc.. but as far as I can see YOU started the whole argument

By having a marginally different viewpoint ?

Then the usual suspect piled in, and I defended it.

What would you have done then ? Just agree ?

You haven't in past, have you ?

But it's different when it's me you say ? 

 

 

Second best poem on this page.

[TK-421]

"He's got Passion"

 

Just on SSN... that seems to be all anyone can say about him... be it Swindon fans, and Mackems alike. No mention of Experience, tactical knowledge, or owt... just 'Passion'.

 

If 'boyhood Sunderland fan' Martin O'Neill didn't have the passion required to inspire the players, then what makes them think DiCanio will?

[Dr Venkman]

Desperation.

[Cajun]

You keep saying it makes people feel superior lecturing others etc.. but as far as I can see YOU started the whole argument

By having a marginally different viewpoint ?

Then the usual suspect piled in, and I defended it.

What would you have done then ? Just agree ?

You haven't in past, have you ?

But it's different when it's me you say ? 

 

 

Second best poem on this page.

 

[Guest firetotheworks]

Why are we Geordie's arguing about this?

PRE-CISELY

Maybe it makes some feel "superior" in some ways to lecture others. In a quite (ahem) fascist manner !

As I said in the beginning. So what ? Let's have fun with the makems over this, not goosestep around pontificating about you aren't allowed to think THAT ! Think as I do or we'll flame you !

 

And Bimpy474 - you should have had a yo-yo dangling from Adolf's fingers. He's a fantastic Banjo player. Loved entertaining the troops http://i480.photobucket.com/albums/rr166/PhilK001/hitler_11_zpscba17412.gif

 

Like I've said a few times, there's nothing personal at all. You haven't argued against any of my points, just tried to belittle my opinion by saying I'm lecturing or trying to feel superior. It's a forum for conversation and debate. If I was looking to inflate my ego, I wouldn't openly engage in conversation where my opinions are so open to scrutiny.

 

You have the option to disagree with me, but have chosen to refer to me in replies to other people and belittle my opinion rather than respond to it directly. It's bad form.

[Guest Haris Vuckic]

 

You keep saying it makes people feel superior lecturing others etc.. but as far as I can see YOU started the whole argument

By having a marginally different viewpoint ?

Then the usual suspect piled in, and I defended it.

What would you have done then ? Just agree ?

You haven't in past, have you ?

But it's different when it's me you say ? 

 

 

Second best poem on this page.

 

 

Beat poetry.

 

For men who've been beat.

[Guest bimpy474]

He was doing a Nazi salute - what kind of fascism do people think he's referring to?

 

 

 

 

It wasnt a Nazi salute, you have to sniff your fingers for that.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01504/salute_1504842c.jpg

 

The Nazi's used that but it came well before the Nazi's came to be. That's my only accurate knowledge on this subject.

 

I'm sure the Jewish fans he was doing it to feel that way...

 

Personally i think facism is abhorrent but i was just pointing out you were technically wrong, as the salute started out not as a Nazi salute.

 

Anyway Sunderland eh hahaha

[Guest bimpy474]

Never knew Adolf played the banjo, not exactly George Formby like.

[Guest firetotheworks]

I know everyone wants to get back onto Sunderland and it's a football thread on a football forum, but I do think it's a sad day when the main concern for some people is to use the fascism as a stick to beat a rival football team with, yet have no personal concern for it outside of that. Even when it's publicly on our doorstep. I'm not particularly political and I love football, but it still irks me.

 

[Guest Haris Vuckic]

He was doing a Nazi salute - what kind of fascism do people think he's referring to?

 

 

 

 

It wasnt a Nazi salute, you have to sniff your fingers for that.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01504/salute_1504842c.jpg

 

The Nazi's used that but it came well before the Nazi's came to be. That's my only accurate knowledge on this subject.

 

I'm sure the Jewish fans he was doing it to feel that way...

 

Personally i think facism is abhorrent but i was just pointing out you were technically wrong, as the salute started out not as a Nazi salute.

 

Anyway Sunderland eh hahaha

 

Haha Sunlaan! Soonlan!

[Guest Haris Vuckic]

I know everyone wants to get back onto Sunderland and it's a football thread on a football forum, but I do think it's a sad day when the main concern for some people is to use the fascism as a stick to beat a rival football team with, yet have no personal care for it outside of that. I'm not particularly political and I love football, but it still irks me.

 

Yeh people don't generally get offended by fascist groups like the BNP, UKIP & the EDL. People are fine with that.

 

 

GET OUT.

[Guest Phil K]

As I You have the option to disagree with me, but have chosen to refer to me in replies to other people and belittle my opinion rather than respond to it directly. It's bad form.

Actually, I have avoided having a go at you for any of your posts, as its YOUR opinion and nothing to do with me. (Not noticed ?)

Doesn't seem to be your attitude. You didn't even see the point I was making, others have had the same view, and have not get the usual flaming from the usual types.

Whats wrong with just disagreeing ?