AlanSkÃrare Posted August 2, 2012 Share Posted August 2, 2012 Don't get it at all. How can Pardew not stress enough how this signing would make us progress? We've even sold players for £5m this summer. And we're bidding £13m for Carroll? Get real. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilson Posted August 2, 2012 Share Posted August 2, 2012 Its hardly a coincidence that offers for Douglas, Debuchy and De Jong have all been described as derisory at one time or another. Teams have pegged on to what we're trying to do, I.e, bring in quality players on the cheap and therefore to avoid being made a mug of are raising the price.... only in this instance the price they were holding out for was allegedly only about a million more, why not just pay the f***er, bring in a quality fullback and get 2-3 million for Simpson to make up for any extra paid. I simply can't understand this, there's playing hardball and then there's just being plain naive and stupid. Theres no way we can get a RB as good as Debuchy for under the 8 million euros they apparently want, therefore we will end up with Simpson IMO. And hes f***ing s***, don't care what any opta stat's or fanboys say. Absolutely spot on. x2 the bold bit is exactly why i think we've fucked up if it doesnt happen just sillyness Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash Posted August 2, 2012 Share Posted August 2, 2012 Don't get it at all. How can Pardew not stress enough how this signing would make us progress? We've even sold players for £5m this summer. And we're bidding £13m for Carroll? Get real. People are just making things up now. How do you know he isn't doing this? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuy_O Posted August 2, 2012 Share Posted August 2, 2012 I'v said it before, all our transfers last season excluding Cisse had some sort of catch or advantage to us that made securing the deal slightly less difficult. Cabaye - Clause activated Santon - Frozen out Obertan - Not Wanted Ben Arfa - Decent fee, but nursing serious injury and not welcome back at previous club Ba - No fee involved Marveaux - No fee involved The season before that Tiote was a fine buy, but his talent was not well documented as Debuchy's is now. Debuchy involves none of this, it's just a flat out transfer fee for an established and class player. The Cisse deal was promising but we seem to be getting nowhere with our policy at the mo. It's going to be a long summer if we keep trying to fleece clubs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sicko2ndbest Posted August 2, 2012 Share Posted August 2, 2012 Its hardly a coincidence that offers for Douglas, Debuchy and De Jong have all been described as derisory at one time or another. Teams have pegged on to what we're trying to do, I.e, bring in quality players on the cheap and therefore to avoid being made a mug of are raising the price.... only in this instance the price they were holding out for was allegedly only about a million more, why not just pay the f***er, bring in a quality fullback and get 2-3 million for Simpson to make up for any extra paid. I simply can't understand this, there's playing hardball and then there's just being plain naive and stupid. Theres no way we can get a RB as good as Debuchy for under the 8 million euros they apparently want, therefore we will end up with Simpson IMO. And hes f***ing s***, don't care what any opta stat's or fanboys say. Absolutely spot on. x2 the bold bit is exactly why i think we've f***ed up if it doesnt happen just sillyness Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Realist Posted August 2, 2012 Share Posted August 2, 2012 Don't get it at all. How can Pardew not stress enough how this signing would make us progress? We've even sold players for £5m this summer. And we're bidding £13m for Carroll? Get real. People are just making things up now. How do you know he isn't doing this? Because we haven't signed him. Q.E.D. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanSkÃrare Posted August 2, 2012 Share Posted August 2, 2012 Don't get it at all. How can Pardew not stress enough how this signing would make us progress? We've even sold players for £5m this summer. And we're bidding £13m for Carroll? Get real. People are just making things up now. How do you know he isn't doing this? Because we haven't signed him. Q.E.D. If the money is there, I think he has the power to convince the board that he is the most important signing. Still, I know reactions after today's events aren't the most thought through at times. I'll be back with a new approach to this tomorrow. Good night all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 2, 2012 Share Posted August 2, 2012 Its hardly a coincidence that offers for Douglas, Debuchy and De Jong have all been described as derisory at one time or another. Teams have pegged on to what we're trying to do, I.e, bring in quality players on the cheap and therefore to avoid being made a mug of are raising the price.... only in this instance the price they were holding out for was allegedly only about a million more, why not just pay the f***er, bring in a quality fullback and get 2-3 million for Simpson to make up for any extra paid. I simply can't understand this, there's playing hardball and then there's just being plain naive and stupid. Theres no way we can get a RB as good as Debuchy for under the 8 million euros they apparently want, therefore we will end up with Simpson IMO. And hes f***ing s***, don't care what any opta stat's or fanboys say. Absolutely spot on. x2 the bold bit is exactly why i think we've f***ed up if it doesnt happen just sillyness Again, where's the bids from Chelsea, Inter, etc. if it makes so much common sense just to put an extra €1-2m for such a quality player? Why isn't the whole of Europe lapping up such a bargain? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted August 2, 2012 Share Posted August 2, 2012 I'v said it before, all our transfers last season excluding Cisse had some sort of catch or advantage to us that made securing the deal slightly less difficult. Cabaye - Clause activated Santon - Frozen out Obertan - Not Wanted Ben Arfa - Decent fee, but nursing serious injury and not welcome back at previous club Ba - No fee involved Marveuax - No fee involved The season before that Tiote was a fine buy, but his talent was not well documented as Debuchy's is now. Debuchy involves none of this, it's just a flat out transfer fee for an established and class player. The Cisse deal was promising but we seem to be getting nowhere with our policy at the mo. It's going to be a long summer if we keep trying to fleece clubs. Then if we do sign Debuchy the list will probably read; Cabaye - Clause activated Santon - Frozen out Obertan - Not Wanted Ben Arfa - Decent fee, but nursing serious injury and not welcome back at previous club Ba - No fee involved Marveuax - No fee involved Debuchy - Desperately wanted to come, tapped up by Cabaye With so and so it won't be as straight forward. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash Posted August 2, 2012 Share Posted August 2, 2012 Don't get it at all. How can Pardew not stress enough how this signing would make us progress? We've even sold players for £5m this summer. And we're bidding £13m for Carroll? Get real. People are just making things up now. How do you know he isn't doing this? Because we haven't signed him. Q.E.D. If the money is there, I think he has the power to convince the board that he is the most important signing. Still, I know reactions after today's events aren't the most thought through at times. I'll be back with a new approach to this tomorrow. Good night all. I'll ask the question again: how do you know he isn't doing this? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilson Posted August 2, 2012 Share Posted August 2, 2012 Its hardly a coincidence that offers for Douglas, Debuchy and De Jong have all been described as derisory at one time or another. Teams have pegged on to what we're trying to do, I.e, bring in quality players on the cheap and therefore to avoid being made a mug of are raising the price.... only in this instance the price they were holding out for was allegedly only about a million more, why not just pay the f***er, bring in a quality fullback and get 2-3 million for Simpson to make up for any extra paid. I simply can't understand this, there's playing hardball and then there's just being plain naive and stupid. Theres no way we can get a RB as good as Debuchy for under the 8 million euros they apparently want, therefore we will end up with Simpson IMO. And hes f***ing s***, don't care what any opta stat's or fanboys say. Absolutely spot on. x2 the bold bit is exactly why i think we've f***ed up if it doesnt happen just sillyness Again, where's the bids from Chelsea, Inter, etc. if it makes so much common sense just to put an extra €1-2m for such a quality player? Why isn't the whole of Europe lapping up such a bargain? aren't chelsea after a different right back? aren't inter actually after debuchy(allegedly)? why did no-one get cabaye/cisse/ben arfa? why are only sunderland and us (apparently) in for anita? just because he's a good player doesnt instantly mean the whole of europe want/need him Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 2, 2012 Share Posted August 2, 2012 Why are Chelsea bothering going for Azpilicueta or whatever when they could have Debuchy on the cheap? Inter have been interested in him, why aren't they bidding if they can get him so cheap? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuy_O Posted August 2, 2012 Share Posted August 2, 2012 Its hardly a coincidence that offers for Douglas, Debuchy and De Jong have all been described as derisory at one time or another. Teams have pegged on to what we're trying to do, I.e, bring in quality players on the cheap and therefore to avoid being made a mug of are raising the price.... only in this instance the price they were holding out for was allegedly only about a million more, why not just pay the f***er, bring in a quality fullback and get 2-3 million for Simpson to make up for any extra paid. I simply can't understand this, there's playing hardball and then there's just being plain naive and stupid. Theres no way we can get a RB as good as Debuchy for under the 8 million euros they apparently want, therefore we will end up with Simpson IMO. And hes f***ing s***, don't care what any opta stat's or fanboys say. Absolutely spot on. x2 the bold bit is exactly why i think we've f***ed up if it doesnt happen just sillyness Again, where's the bids from Chelsea, Inter, etc. if it makes so much common sense just to put an extra €1-2m for such a quality player? Why isn't the whole of Europe lapping up such a bargain? It is odd why Inter & Chelsea are not bidding but bear in mind as current and former Champions League winners their market is bigger than ours, not to mention the money they have available. Not to belittle us like but to get Debuchy at the price Lille are quoting would be exceptional business. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 2, 2012 Share Posted August 2, 2012 I think in Chelsea's case yeah, I think other clubs may not be bothering as much because the agent has told them of his intentions and probably knows it's just a matter of time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted August 2, 2012 Share Posted August 2, 2012 Why are Chelsea bothering going for Azpilicueta or whatever when they could have Debuchy on the cheap? Inter have been interested in him, why aren't they bidding if they can get him so cheap? Azpilicueta is younger and the price quoted isn't a great deal of difference, 8m pounds i heard. Also maybe they just prefer him. Quite frankly if Debuchy didn't happen i'd love if we could get someone like that in how ever unlikely it may seem. Plus it sounds like Debuchy wants to join us so maybe that's why they looked at other targets. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlelunchbox Posted August 2, 2012 Share Posted August 2, 2012 has this tosser actually handed in an official transfer request? why not? he keep saying he wants to join us yet he hasn't even put in a request. he needs to do it, that will drive down his price as well Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Shaun Posted August 2, 2012 Share Posted August 2, 2012 Some people have a hard time grasping the concept of negotiating. Even going so far as to call the owner a cunt for not paying Lille what they ask for. x 100 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilson Posted August 2, 2012 Share Posted August 2, 2012 Why are Chelsea bothering going for Azpilicueta or whatever when they could have Debuchy on the cheap? Inter have been interested in him, why aren't they bidding if they can get him so cheap? for all i know they could want him because he's far superior to debuchy? (i've never seen azpilicueta play) pretty sure i've read a couple of times that inter have bid for debuchy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BONTEMPI Posted August 2, 2012 Share Posted August 2, 2012 Up in the air again what a surprise. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted August 2, 2012 Share Posted August 2, 2012 Its hardly a coincidence that offers for Douglas, Debuchy and De Jong have all been described as derisory at one time or another. Teams have pegged on to what we're trying to do, I.e, bring in quality players on the cheap and therefore to avoid being made a mug of are raising the price.... only in this instance the price they were holding out for was allegedly only about a million more, why not just pay the f***er, bring in a quality fullback and get 2-3 million for Simpson to make up for any extra paid. I simply can't understand this, there's playing hardball and then there's just being plain naive and stupid. Theres no way we can get a RB as good as Debuchy for under the 8 million euros they apparently want, therefore we will end up with Simpson IMO. And hes f***ing s***, don't care what any opta stat's or fanboys say. Absolutely spot on. We've had bids for Douglas and De Jong described as derisory? Back to the point, we've clearly had a lot of success bagging players on the cheap, it's not so much that sides are clicking on to our strategy but more to do the realisation that you're not going to conclude all your negotiations on the cheap, sometimes you have to pay the going rate. We're not talking an excessive fee here, but a fair price for a quality player. Without any form of knowledge of how negotiations have gone it's impossible to gauge if this is the second in a series of offers or if we're genuinely playing hardball with a final offer and we indeed consider Lille's price tag excessive. It'll also be interesting to see who we bid for as a plan B if there indeed is one. Personally while I'd be disappointed with missing out on this fella I've said all along I'd prefer to sign a left back as opposed to a right back, I feel we'd see even more from Santon in the latter position. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuy_O Posted August 2, 2012 Share Posted August 2, 2012 I think in Chelsea's case yeah, I think other clubs may not be bothering as much because the agent has told them of his intentions and probably knows it's just a matter of time. Yeh, which makes our inability to get a deal sorted all the more infuriating. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted August 2, 2012 Share Posted August 2, 2012 Agree. We should start chucking money at teams. Fuck value... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuy_O Posted August 2, 2012 Share Posted August 2, 2012 8 million euro is value imo. I know it's Ashley but if we offered that I doubt others would label us as kamikaze spenders. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted August 2, 2012 Share Posted August 2, 2012 Agree. We should start chucking money at teams. Fuck value... On the one hand I think he is actually worth their valuation, on the other you get people with every transfer screaming 'just pay the extra £xm ffs!!!!', if they were in charge of transfers we would splash our entire budget the day after the window opens with one player signed and we would have likely done a Liverpool (Carroll/Henderson). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Shaun Posted August 2, 2012 Share Posted August 2, 2012 Just pay the extra two million. It's not like that could go towards another player or anything. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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