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Its hardly a coincidence that offers for Douglas, Debuchy and De Jong have all been described as derisory at one time or another.

 

Teams have pegged on to what we're trying to do, I.e, bring in quality players on the cheap and therefore to avoid being made a mug of are raising the price.... only in this instance the price they were holding out for was allegedly only about a million more, why not just pay the f***er, bring in a quality fullback and get 2-3 million for Simpson to make up for any extra paid.

 

I simply can't understand this, there's playing hardball and then there's just being plain naive and stupid.

Theres no way we can get a RB as good as Debuchy for under the 8 million euros they apparently want, therefore we will end up with Simpson IMO. And hes f***ing s***, don't care what any opta stat's or fanboys say.

 

Absolutely spot on.

 

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the bold bit is exactly why i think we've fucked up if it doesnt happen

 

just sillyness

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Don't get it at all. How can Pardew not stress enough how this signing would make us progress?

 

We've even sold players for £5m this summer. And we're bidding £13m for Carroll? Get real.

 

People are just making things up now. :lol: How do you know he isn't doing this?

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I'v said it before, all our transfers last season excluding Cisse had some sort of catch or advantage to us that made securing the deal slightly less difficult.

 

Cabaye - Clause activated

Santon - Frozen out

Obertan - Not Wanted

Ben Arfa - Decent fee, but nursing serious injury and not welcome back at previous club

Ba - No fee involved

Marveaux - No fee involved

 

The season before that Tiote was a fine buy, but his talent was not well documented as Debuchy's is now.

 

Debuchy involves none of this, it's just a flat out transfer fee for an established and class player. The Cisse deal was promising but we seem to be getting nowhere with our policy at the mo. It's going to be a long summer if we keep trying to fleece clubs.

 

 

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Its hardly a coincidence that offers for Douglas, Debuchy and De Jong have all been described as derisory at one time or another.

 

Teams have pegged on to what we're trying to do, I.e, bring in quality players on the cheap and therefore to avoid being made a mug of are raising the price.... only in this instance the price they were holding out for was allegedly only about a million more, why not just pay the f***er, bring in a quality fullback and get 2-3 million for Simpson to make up for any extra paid.

 

I simply can't understand this, there's playing hardball and then there's just being plain naive and stupid.

Theres no way we can get a RB as good as Debuchy for under the 8 million euros they apparently want, therefore we will end up with Simpson IMO. And hes f***ing s***, don't care what any opta stat's or fanboys say.

 

Absolutely spot on.

 

x2

 

the bold bit is exactly why i think we've f***ed up if it doesnt happen

 

just sillyness

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Don't get it at all. How can Pardew not stress enough how this signing would make us progress?

 

We've even sold players for £5m this summer. And we're bidding £13m for Carroll? Get real.

 

People are just making things up now. :lol: How do you know he isn't doing this?

Because we haven't signed him.  Q.E.D. :lol:
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Don't get it at all. How can Pardew not stress enough how this signing would make us progress?

 

We've even sold players for £5m this summer. And we're bidding £13m for Carroll? Get real.

 

People are just making things up now. :lol: How do you know he isn't doing this?

Because we haven't signed him.  Q.E.D. :lol:

 

If the money is there, I think he has the power to convince the board that he is the most important signing.

 

Still, I know reactions after today's events aren't the most thought through at times. I'll be back with a new approach to this tomorrow.

 

Good night all.

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Its hardly a coincidence that offers for Douglas, Debuchy and De Jong have all been described as derisory at one time or another.

 

Teams have pegged on to what we're trying to do, I.e, bring in quality players on the cheap and therefore to avoid being made a mug of are raising the price.... only in this instance the price they were holding out for was allegedly only about a million more, why not just pay the f***er, bring in a quality fullback and get 2-3 million for Simpson to make up for any extra paid.

 

I simply can't understand this, there's playing hardball and then there's just being plain naive and stupid.

Theres no way we can get a RB as good as Debuchy for under the 8 million euros they apparently want, therefore we will end up with Simpson IMO. And hes f***ing s***, don't care what any opta stat's or fanboys say.

 

Absolutely spot on.

 

x2

 

the bold bit is exactly why i think we've f***ed up if it doesnt happen

 

just sillyness

 

Again, where's the bids from Chelsea, Inter, etc. if it makes so much common sense just to put an extra €1-2m for such a quality player? Why isn't the whole of Europe lapping up such a bargain?

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I'v said it before, all our transfers last season excluding Cisse had some sort of catch or advantage to us that made securing the deal slightly less difficult.

 

Cabaye - Clause activated

Santon - Frozen out

Obertan - Not Wanted

Ben Arfa - Decent fee, but nursing serious injury and not welcome back at previous club

Ba - No fee involved

Marveuax - No fee involved

 

The season before that Tiote was a fine buy, but his talent was not well documented as Debuchy's is now.

 

Debuchy involves none of this, it's just a flat out transfer fee for an established and class player. The Cisse deal was promising but we seem to be getting nowhere with our policy at the mo. It's going to be a long summer if we keep trying to fleece clubs.

 

 

 

Then if we do sign Debuchy the list will probably read;

 

 

Cabaye - Clause activated

Santon - Frozen out

Obertan - Not Wanted

Ben Arfa - Decent fee, but nursing serious injury and not welcome back at previous club

Ba - No fee involved

Marveuax - No fee involved

Debuchy - Desperately wanted to come, tapped up by Cabaye

 

 

 

With so and so it won't be as straight forward.

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Don't get it at all. How can Pardew not stress enough how this signing would make us progress?

 

We've even sold players for £5m this summer. And we're bidding £13m for Carroll? Get real.

 

People are just making things up now. :lol: How do you know he isn't doing this?

Because we haven't signed him.  Q.E.D. :lol:

 

If the money is there, I think he has the power to convince the board that he is the most important signing.

 

Still, I know reactions after today's events aren't the most thought through at times. I'll be back with a new approach to this tomorrow.

 

Good night all.

 

I'll ask the question again: how do you know he isn't doing this?

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Its hardly a coincidence that offers for Douglas, Debuchy and De Jong have all been described as derisory at one time or another.

 

Teams have pegged on to what we're trying to do, I.e, bring in quality players on the cheap and therefore to avoid being made a mug of are raising the price.... only in this instance the price they were holding out for was allegedly only about a million more, why not just pay the f***er, bring in a quality fullback and get 2-3 million for Simpson to make up for any extra paid.

 

I simply can't understand this, there's playing hardball and then there's just being plain naive and stupid.

Theres no way we can get a RB as good as Debuchy for under the 8 million euros they apparently want, therefore we will end up with Simpson IMO. And hes f***ing s***, don't care what any opta stat's or fanboys say.

 

Absolutely spot on.

 

x2

 

the bold bit is exactly why i think we've f***ed up if it doesnt happen

 

just sillyness

 

Again, where's the bids from Chelsea, Inter, etc. if it makes so much common sense just to put an extra €1-2m for such a quality player? Why isn't the whole of Europe lapping up such a bargain?

 

aren't chelsea after a different right back? aren't inter actually after debuchy(allegedly)? why did no-one get cabaye/cisse/ben arfa? why are only sunderland and us (apparently) in for anita?

 

just because he's a good player doesnt instantly mean the whole of europe want/need him

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Why are Chelsea bothering going for Azpilicueta or whatever when they could have Debuchy on the cheap? Inter have been interested in him, why aren't they bidding if they can get him so cheap?

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Its hardly a coincidence that offers for Douglas, Debuchy and De Jong have all been described as derisory at one time or another.

 

Teams have pegged on to what we're trying to do, I.e, bring in quality players on the cheap and therefore to avoid being made a mug of are raising the price.... only in this instance the price they were holding out for was allegedly only about a million more, why not just pay the f***er, bring in a quality fullback and get 2-3 million for Simpson to make up for any extra paid.

 

I simply can't understand this, there's playing hardball and then there's just being plain naive and stupid.

Theres no way we can get a RB as good as Debuchy for under the 8 million euros they apparently want, therefore we will end up with Simpson IMO. And hes f***ing s***, don't care what any opta stat's or fanboys say.

 

Absolutely spot on.

 

x2

 

the bold bit is exactly why i think we've f***ed up if it doesnt happen

 

just sillyness

 

Again, where's the bids from Chelsea, Inter, etc. if it makes so much common sense just to put an extra €1-2m for such a quality player? Why isn't the whole of Europe lapping up such a bargain?

 

It is odd why Inter & Chelsea are not bidding but bear in mind as current and former Champions League winners their market is bigger than ours, not to mention the money they have available. Not to belittle us like but to get Debuchy at the price Lille are quoting would be exceptional business.

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I think in Chelsea's case yeah, I think other clubs may not be bothering as much because the agent has told them of his intentions and probably knows it's just a matter of time.

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Why are Chelsea bothering going for Azpilicueta or whatever when they could have Debuchy on the cheap? Inter have been interested in him, why aren't they bidding if they can get him so cheap?

 

Azpilicueta is younger and the price quoted isn't a great deal of difference, 8m pounds i heard. Also maybe they just prefer him.

 

Quite frankly if Debuchy didn't happen i'd love if we could get someone like that in how ever unlikely it may seem. Plus it sounds like Debuchy wants to join us so maybe that's why they looked at other targets.

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Some people have a hard time grasping the concept of negotiating. Even going so far as to call the owner a cunt for not paying Lille what they ask for.

 

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Why are Chelsea bothering going for Azpilicueta or whatever when they could have Debuchy on the cheap? Inter have been interested in him, why aren't they bidding if they can get him so cheap?

 

for all i know they could want him because he's far superior to debuchy? (i've never seen azpilicueta play)

 

pretty sure i've read a couple of times that inter have bid for debuchy

 

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Its hardly a coincidence that offers for Douglas, Debuchy and De Jong have all been described as derisory at one time or another.

 

Teams have pegged on to what we're trying to do, I.e, bring in quality players on the cheap and therefore to avoid being made a mug of are raising the price.... only in this instance the price they were holding out for was allegedly only about a million more, why not just pay the f***er, bring in a quality fullback and get 2-3 million for Simpson to make up for any extra paid.

 

I simply can't understand this, there's playing hardball and then there's just being plain naive and stupid.

 

Theres no way we can get a RB as good as Debuchy for under the 8 million euros they apparently want, therefore we will end up with Simpson IMO. And hes f***ing s***, don't care what any opta stat's or fanboys say.

 

Absolutely spot on.

 

We've had bids for Douglas and De Jong described as derisory?

 

Back to the point, we've clearly had a lot of success bagging players on the cheap, it's not so much that sides are clicking on to our strategy but more to do the realisation that you're not going to conclude all your negotiations on the cheap, sometimes you have to pay the going rate. We're not talking an excessive fee here, but a fair price for a quality player.

 

Without any form of knowledge of how negotiations have gone it's impossible to gauge if this is the second in a series of offers or if we're genuinely playing hardball with a final offer and we indeed consider Lille's price tag excessive. It'll also be interesting to see who we bid for as a plan B if there indeed is one. Personally while I'd be disappointed with missing out on this fella I've said all along I'd prefer to sign a left back as opposed to a right back, I feel we'd see even more from Santon in the latter position.

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I think in Chelsea's case yeah, I think other clubs may not be bothering as much because the agent has told them of his intentions and probably knows it's just a matter of time.

 

Yeh, which makes our inability to get a deal sorted all the more infuriating.

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Agree. We should start chucking money at teams. Fuck value...

 

On the one hand I think he is actually worth their valuation, on the other you get people with every transfer screaming 'just pay the extra £xm ffs!!!!', if they were in charge of transfers we would splash our entire budget the day after the window opens with one player signed and we would have likely done a Liverpool (Carroll/Henderson).

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