Eintracht Frankfurt 0-0 Newcastle United - Post Match Thoughts.

[Dave]

How can some of you be so utterly short sighted when it comes to Zoggy. Okay he hasn't performed much lately, but FFS try to remember the lad is 20 and he has been magical at times (last season). They are human beings out there, not machines!! Selling Zoggy with £5m or even £7m would be a disaster. Patience my friends, patience.

 

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[Yorkie]

Shay Given

 

Despite their amount of shots, he didn't have an awful lot to do. Made a decent save in the first half, but his goal kicks were atrocious. Again. 6.

 

 

Nolberto Solano

 

Another good performance from Nobby at right-back. So calm and collected with the ball, dealt with crosses at the near post and the back post, blocking them and/or bringing them down. Far, far superior to any other right-back we have. 7.

 

Steven Taylor

 

Man mountain tonight was Tayls. His blocking, his tackling, his headers, his coolness with bringing the ball out, his positioning, his organisation. Excellent. MOTM. 8.

 

Titus Bramble

 

Bramble was OK. Made one or two very tidy challenges, then made one or two hash-ups. That pass in the first half. :roll:  And a lot of very simple through balls eluded him. 6.

 

Peter Ramage

 

He got worse as the game went on really. One or two good headers in the first half were eclipsed by being beaten on the wing plenty of times. We were playing with three defenders come the end of the game, really. 5.

 

 

James Milner

 

Milner was OK. He was frustrating with his movement, though - there simply wasn't enough of it. Nobby barely had an option when going forward. 6.

 

Belozoglu Emre

 

Good performance from the little-man. His tackling, his driving forward posed a real problem for Frankfurt. Shocking finishing, though. 7.

 

Nicky Butt

 

Another good performance from Mr Reliable. Tackling, defensive cover, spreading of the play. All good. 7.

 

Charles N'Zogbia

 

Another poorish performance from a centre-mid Zoggy. He isn't a centre-midfielder. He's too weak and his passing isn't good enough. Don't play him there. 5.

 

Albert Luque

 

Invisible. 5.

 

 

Antoine Sibierski

 

Immobile and the balls seemed to be pouncing off him. Improved vastly when he had a striker partner though. That tells you something, Glenn. :roll:  6.

[LooneyToonArmy]

fortunately they didn't have a recognised  goalscorer in their team or we might have got a hammering had they taken their chances. Their best player (Meier) was suspended for this one too which helped nicely 

[Guest tobiazvanderziaz]

Shay Given

 

Despite their amount of shots, he didn't have an awful lot to do. Made a decent save in the first half, but his goal kicks were atrocious. Again. 6.

 

 

Nolberto Solano

 

Another good performance from Nobby at right-back. So calm and collected with the ball, dealt with crosses at the near post and the back post, blocking them and/or bringing them down. Far, far superior to any other right-back we have. 7.

 

Steven Taylor

 

Man mountain tonight was Tayls. His blocking, his tackling, his headers, his coolness with bringing the ball out, his positioning, his organisation. Excellent. MOTM. 8.

 

Titus Bramble

 

Bramble was OK. Made one or two very tidy challenges, then made one or two hash-ups. That pass in the first half. :roll:  And a lot of very simple through balls eluded him. 6.

 

Peter Ramage

 

He got worse as the game went on really. One or two good headers in the first half were eclipsed by being beaten on the wing plenty of times. We were playing with three defenders come the end of the game, really. 5.

 

 

James Milner

 

Milner was OK. He was frustrating with his movement, though - there simply wasn't enough of it. Nobby barely had an option when going forward. 6.

 

Belozoglu Emre

 

Good performance from the little-man. His tackling, his driving forward posed a real problem for Frankfurt. Shocking finishing, though. 7.

 

Nicky Butt

 

Another good performance from Mr Reliable. Tackling, defensive cover, spreading of the play. All good. 7.

 

Charles N'Zogbia

 

Another poorish performance from a centre-mid Zoggy. He isn't a centre-midfielder. He's too weak and his passing isn't good enough. Don't play him there. 5.

 

Albert Luque

 

Invisible. 5.

 

Antoine Sibierski

 

Immobile and the balls seemed to be pouncing off him. Improved vastly when he had a striker partner though. That tells you something, Glenn. :roll:  6.

 

Spot on!

[Yorkie]

As ever tbh. 8)

[ElDiablo]

Shay Given

 

Despite their amount of shots, he didn't have an awful lot to do. Made a decent save in the first half, but his goal kicks were atrocious. Again. 6.

 

 

Nolberto Solano

 

Another good performance from Nobby at right-back. So calm and collected with the ball, dealt with crosses at the near post and the back post, blocking them and/or bringing them down. Far, far superior to any other right-back we have. 7.

 

Steven Taylor

 

Man mountain tonight was Tayls. His blocking, his tackling, his headers, his coolness with bringing the ball out, his positioning, his organisation. Excellent. MOTM. 8.

 

Titus Bramble

 

Bramble was OK. Made one or two very tidy challenges, then made one or two hash-ups. That pass in the first half. :roll: And a lot of very simple through balls eluded him. 6.

 

Peter Ramage

 

He got worse as the game went on really. One or two good headers in the first half were eclipsed by being beaten on the wing plenty of times. We were playing with three defenders come the end of the game, really. 5.

 

 

James Milner

 

Milner was OK. He was frustrating with his movement, though - there simply wasn't enough of it. Nobby barely had an option when going forward. 6.

 

Belozoglu Emre

 

Good performance from the little-man. His tackling, his driving forward posed a real problem for Frankfurt. Shocking finishing, though. 7.

 

Nicky Butt

 

Another good performance from Mr Reliable. Tackling, defensive cover, spreading of the play. All good. 7.

 

Charles N'Zogbia

 

Another poorish performance from a centre-mid Zoggy. He isn't a centre-midfielder. He's too weak and his passing isn't good enough. Don't play him there. 5.

 

Albert Luque

 

Invisible. 5.

 

Antoine Sibierski

 

Immobile and the balls seemed to be pouncing off him. Improved vastly when he had a striker partner though. That tells you something, Glenn. :roll: 6.

 

Spot on!

 

Yep. Apart from there was no way Taylor put in a 8/10 performance if Bramble only recieved 6/10.

 

The rest however, IS spot on!

[Guest tobiazvanderziaz]

As ever tbh. 8)

 

With that attitude you are really searching for critisism. Think Given deserves 7 because he looked very comfortable in all his actions

 

[Ally]

I'm really impressed with Nicky Butt recently, been absolutely quality.

[Guest tobiazvanderziaz]

Maybe you are

Shay Given

 

Despite their amount of shots, he didn't have an awful lot to do. Made a decent save in the first half, but his goal kicks were atrocious. Again. 6.

 

 

Nolberto Solano

 

Another good performance from Nobby at right-back. So calm and collected with the ball, dealt with crosses at the near post and the back post, blocking them and/or bringing them down. Far, far superior to any other right-back we have. 7.

 

Steven Taylor

 

Man mountain tonight was Tayls. His blocking, his tackling, his headers, his coolness with bringing the ball out, his positioning, his organisation. Excellent. MOTM. 8.

 

Titus Bramble

 

Bramble was OK. Made one or two very tidy challenges, then made one or two hash-ups. That pass in the first half. :roll: And a lot of very simple through balls eluded him. 6.

 

Peter Ramage

 

He got worse as the game went on really. One or two good headers in the first half were eclipsed by being beaten on the wing plenty of times. We were playing with three defenders come the end of the game, really. 5.

 

 

James Milner

 

Milner was OK. He was frustrating with his movement, though - there simply wasn't enough of it. Nobby barely had an option when going forward. 6.

 

Belozoglu Emre

 

Good performance from the little-man. His tackling, his driving forward posed a real problem for Frankfurt. Shocking finishing, though. 7.

 

Nicky Butt

 

Another good performance from Mr Reliable. Tackling, defensive cover, spreading of the play. All good. 7.

 

Charles N'Zogbia

 

Another poorish performance from a centre-mid Zoggy. He isn't a centre-midfielder. He's too weak and his passing isn't good enough. Don't play him there. 5.

 

Albert Luque

 

Invisible. 5.

 

Antoine Sibierski

 

Immobile and the balls seemed to be pouncing off him. Improved vastly when he had a striker partner though. That tells you something, Glenn. :roll: 6.

 

Spot on!

 

Yep. Apart from there was no way Taylor put in a 8/10 performance if Bramble only recieved 6/10.

 

The rest however, IS spot on!

 

Maybe you are right but still I think there should be more than a small margin between Taylor and Bramble today. Bramble made a couple of mistakes which you wont see in the school yard....

[Delima]

Shay Given

 

Poor 5.

 

Nolberto Solano

Intelligent. Good understanding with Milner. 8

 

Steven Taylor

Poor. Bramble saves his arse a few times. 5

 

Titus Bramble

Poor. Still erratic. 6

 

Peter Ramage

 

Poor. Very poor in anticipation, and consequently relying too much on 1 on 1 defending which he is not great at. Putting much pressure on central defenders. 4.

 

James Milner

Good. Could still improve a lot more, but an encouraging performance from him. 7

 

Belozoglu Emre

Good. However, he still appears in his own half more than in opposition's half. 7

 

Nicky Butt

Poor. Allow too many goals to reach the defenders. 6

 

Charles N'Zogbia

Improve when deployed at wide left. Not as good as Milner. 6

 

Albert Luque

Poor. Getting little balls from teammates. And let down by Ramage's horrendous forward service. 4

 

Antoine Sibierski

Good. Challenge for every aerial ball (and hence giving a sense of direction to the team :roll: Willing to attck from deep middle. Hold and use the ball well7

 

Glenn Roeder

Right tactic, 4-5-1 to stifle the midfield. At times we retain the possession quite well, but the oppositioin manager counter this, successfully, by skipping the midfield and playing long ball game. Change the formation timely. Poor performance is more due to off form players than wrong tactics. 6

 

[garth]

What a boring game!, why the fuck Roland plays 4-5-1 I'll never know, it just doesn't suit us. But still it's better than a loss.

[Yorkie]

 

Steven Taylor

Poor.

 

Nicky Butt

Poor.

 

Antoine Sibierski

Good.

 

 

Words fail me really.

[Guest TheOrder]

What a boring game!, why the F*** Roland plays 4-5-1 I'll never know, it just doesn't suit us. But still it's better than a loss.

 

Because we are horribly close to the relegation zone, and the formation we played today excluded the likes of Martins and Dyer, who gave Portsmouth fucking hell with their pace on Sunday.

 

The only change i would of made is to put Zoggy out wide, dropped Luque and played Pattison in the centre.

 

 

Far better than that spanish lazy prick.

[garth]

What a boring game!, why the F*** Roland plays 4-5-1 I'll never know, it just doesn't suit us. But still it's better than a loss.

 

Because we are horribly close to the relegation zone, and the formation we played today excluded the likes of Martins and Dyer, who gave Portsmouth f***ing hell with their pace on Sunday.

 

The only change i would of made is to put Zoggy out wide, dropped Luque and played Pattison in the centre.

 

 

Far better than that spanish lazy prick.

 

I you say so!

[Delima]

 

Steven Taylor

Poor.

 

Nicky Butt

Poor.

 

Antoine Sibierski

Good.

 

 

Words fail me really.

 

A rebuttal please.

[Dave]

Fucking nonsense.

[Yorkie]

 

Steven Taylor

Poor.

 

Nicky Butt

Poor.

 

Antoine Sibierski

Good.

 

 

Words fail me really.

 

A rebuttal please.

 

Taylor blocked everything really. His headers, his blocks, his organisation. He controlled the defense really. He was an absolute rock in the defense - a virtually faultless performance, which none of our centre-backs can consistently boast. Yet Taylor has the nack of doing hit. Now he has been given more games, he is really getting back on form and i'm chuffed. He was immense.

 

Nicky Butt's covering of the defense was excellent. And some of his tackles in and around the box were just meaty and were teriffic. Plus, when he was on the ball, he was controlled and composed and spreaded the play well. Unlike the jumpy N'Zogbia and the aimless Emre.

 

Sibierski wasn't bad but he didn't do an awful lot. He didn't hold the play up very well, but i think it might have been different if he'd had a strike partenr. As i said in my analysis, balls just seemed to bounce off him. The formation didn't work for him at all. He hasn't got a yard of pace, yet Roeder plays him up there on his own expecting him to own the final third. Never gonna happen.

[ElDiablo]

Nolberto Solano

Good understanding with Milner. 8

 

What?

 

Milner was awful again imo. He's not quick enough, his crossing is erratic and spends most of the time facing our goal, even when we are attacking.

 

He rarely makes a penetrating run (this is in most games) and stands off opponents.

 

His all-round play gives off a thick-school-boy-but-with-plenty-of-potential vibe. STILL.  :roll:

[Nobody]

thought taylor and bramble were poor. both of them were to blame for all the free headers that we gave away, should never happen

[Delima]

Taylor blocked everything really. His headers, his blocks, his organisation. He controlled the defense really. He was an absolute rock in the defense - a virtually faultless performance, which none of our centre-backs can consistently boast. Yet Taylor has the nack of doing hit. Now he has been given more games, he is really getting back on form and i'm chuffed. He was immense.

 

No he did not block everything. If he had Given would not be standing still and helpless so many times. He lost the player he was marking quite a few times. The central defense was disorganised, thus allowing so many penetraions and shooting opportunities by the opposition. He was rock, because he looked tough. Taylor was the poor man Terry, the Dawson equivalent. He was not faultless, the stats don't lie. He wasn't immense. Yes he was committed, but he was a poorer defender than Bramble just now.

 

Nicky Butt's covering of the defense was excellent. And some of his tackles in and around the box were just meaty and were teriffic. Plus, when he was on the ball, he was controlled and composed and spreaded the play well. Unlike the jumpy N'Zogbia and the aimless Emre.

 

Simple, if both Taylor and Butt were excellent, why were we facing the German bombardment? Butt had a few good moments, but ultimately he failed to grip the midfield. He allowed too much pressure to be piled on central defenders.

 

Sibierski wasn't bad but he didn't do an awful lot. He didn't hold the play up very well, but i think it might have been different if he'd had a strike partenr. As i said in my analysis, balls just seemed to bounce off him. The formation didn't work for him at all. He hasn't got a yard of pace, yet Roeder plays him up there on his own expecting him to own the final third. Never gonna happen.

 

Alone upfront he can't do much. Sib does not have the quickest pace or the best dribbling skills. He does things in simple manner. How many times the ball were fired up front aimlessly only for the Sib to go and fight for the aerial ball. It's 50/50 in aerial fighting yet I think Sib get more share than that. Kudos to him. Also, he was willing to drop deep and start the offensive there (perhaps his midfielder instinct).

 

[Delima]

Nolberto Solano

Good understanding with Milner. 8

 

What?

 

Milner was awful again imo. He's not quick enough, his crossing is erratic and spends most of the time facing our goal, even when we are attacking.

 

He rarely makes a penetrating run (this is in most games) and stands off opponents.

 

His all-round play gives off a thick-school-boy-but-with-plenty-of-potential vibe. STILL.  :roll:

 

The 8 is given to Solano, not Milner. Milner helped Solano a lot in defending. And he always made himself available to Solano and the latter is trying to find someone to pass the ball to. That, for me, is good understanding between the pair.

[Yorkie]

Taylor and Butt were not the reasons why Frankfurt got through so many times.

 

The fact that we had no left-winger tracking back, neither Luque or Zoggy, aswell as Ramage at left-back, that allowed them stacks of apsce and time to get balls into the box. Their main threats came from their right wing, our left wing. Ramage was very poor tonight.

 

Taylor was miles better than Bramble. Bramble's tackling was irrational and he gave away possession. He made one or two tackles, yes, but that's not enough. A couple of good tackles doesn't make up a complete defensive performance. Plus, he let through balls slip past him manby times and he was slow. Taylor's performance however, was a complete performance.

[Delima]

Taylor and Butt were not the reasons why Frankfurt got through so many times.

 

The fact that we had no left-winger tracking back, neither Luque or Zoggy, aswell as Ramage at left-back, that allowed them stacks of apsce and time to get balls into the box. Their main threats came from their right wing, our left wing. Ramage was very poor tonight.

 

Butt, as defensive midfielder, ought to do something and he didn't.

 

Taylor was miles better than Bramble. Bramble's tackling was irrational and he gave away possession. He made one or two tackles, yes, but that's not enough. A couple of good tackles doesn't make up a complete defensive performance. Plus, he let through balls slip past him manby times and he was slow. Taylor's performance however, was a complete performance.

 

What? Shame that I don't have any clip from that match. Much of our "debates" are just paper talks without evidence supports. Else I would really love to replay the match and he how you could defend Taylor so resolutely. Our opinions are too different to reconcile here. Cheers.

 

[Yorkie]

Or basically, you can't be arsed to give a proper comeback because your argument is so shit and is a load of utter nonsense.

 

Cheers.

[ElDiablo]

Nolberto Solano

Good understanding with Milner. 8

 

What?

 

Milner was awful again imo. He's not quick enough, his crossing is erratic and spends most of the time facing our goal, even when we are attacking.

 

He rarely makes a penetrating run (this is in most games) and stands off opponents.

 

His all-round play gives off a thick-school-boy-but-with-plenty-of-potential vibe. STILL. :roll:

 

The 8 is given to Solano, not Milner. Milner helped Solano a lot in defending. And he always made himself available to Solano and the latter is trying to find someone to pass the ball to. That, for me, is good understanding between the pair.

 

Yeah the bit i was referring to was the understanding bit. Even if he tracked back he is still is ineffectual there and doesn't stop anything the other team create. I honestly can only only think of one pass where Solano put Milner running down the line and into a dangerous position, and vice versa.

 

Which is down to Milner, not Nobby, who had another very good game. It's like having a new signing in there, he is doing a fantastic job. Long may it continue. Shame his playmaking skills are wasted by the man in front of him imo.